Katarina in my eyes...

ArabicMafia··11 votes·5,266 views

Ever since I started playing this game, I had my eye on Katarina. I bought her at level 10, my first champion above 450 ip. I love her, she has such a unique play style, this hybrid assassin / melee control mage, it's quite frankly an amazing rework. Although I never played the previous versions, I still am in love with Kat. She was my first to m4, m5, m6, 100k points... My first main. My first one-trick. I felt untouchable when playing her, it felt great. Then preseason 8 hit. The Kat nerfs hit. Then the meta shifted. Now, she is one of the worst mid laners. Hear me out, please. Why pick a champion, that REQUIRES a 3400g item (therefore spiking later than most mid laners), has less utility (Shields, cc, heals, good team fight (Let's be honest, Kat is a clean up champ, she needs resets for her team fighting potential, basically making it a 4v5 until there is a low health target), the list goes on), has less early pressure (no cc, low damage comparatively, not the best wave clear), and usually less damage (out-bursted by anyone not stupid enough to walk by your daggers, even then most assassins and mages burst harder and faster). I'm not asking for a buff, just reconsider your statement of no Katarina changes soon. She feels horrible to play. I know you can't make too many changes, and this is due to Gunblade and how overtuned the item is. I just want to play my one-trick, without feeling like every game is a 4v5 for my team until I get my gunblade. Her playstyle is so polarizing (KatFuFu originally said this, and I wholeheartedly agree with this statement), post-gunblade. If she is even or ahead she is oppressive, but if she is behind she's useless. I understand the feast-or-famine play style, and many of my mains would agree with that, however, Katarina falls behind very easily. You know how fun laning is this season? I basically have my q cd down to the millisecond due to how dshield and q farm is the best way for gunblade. I hate this state she is in, and I honestly feel like quitting league because we over at www.reddit.com/r/KatarinaMains created a well thought-out post about our qualms with our champion, with data and evidence as back-up for our claims. Instead of even a "We'll look into her state, but we cannot promise anything.", we got a nice "We aren't looking to make any changes to Katarina at this tine." While I respect the decisions of the balance team, league just doesn't feel the same. Katarina was the light for me in this game, I cannot put into words how it felt to finally get consistent with her towards the end of season 7, I love her. I knew ever since I saw her in the champions tab, ever since I saw that smug smile, she was the champ for me. It's funny, however, because as much as I want to play her, I hate her. She feels weak, useless, which is totally out of character for her. She will always be my cocky assassin, but I cannot play her in this state. It pains me to see this once great assassin, with one of the highest skill ceilings in the game, to be this terrible. I'll never forget the joy of buying her, or my first first blood, or my first flash e ignite for a kill I thought I had lost. She was my first love in league, and still is my only. Please, I love this champion...

34 Comments

Naymliss6 votes

Remove gunblade. Tweak numbers after.

ArabicMafia7 votes

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Remove gunblade. Tweak numbers after.

This would be a very welcomed change, considering only Akali and Katarina build it in every game and a select few build it as a situational item... However, she would need more than a numbers change. Gunblade gives her sustain, a slow, single target burst, and both ad and ap. The problem with removing gunblade is she loses all of that, but would allow for more build flexibility, i.e. scimitar or maw as situational items. The sustain is needed for her play style, she needs the single target burst for easier resets in team fights, the slow to proc passive dagger easier, and the ad and ap is a huge boost to her damage. Gunblade is an overtuned item, and it should be removed instead of nerfed, but Kat, and to a lesser extent Akali, would need serious compensation. Though, I am all for the removal of Hextech Gunblade AS LONG AS Kat and Akali receive compensation.

TheMysticWar5 votes

Its really stupid how they fucked up one of the successful reworks. (LeblancRengarwere garbage since the beginning lmao) I love her rework as someone who played her release version and vgu Honestly the problem is that they overnerfed her this season with shunpo + passive the dagger nerf was deserved imo but combined with the shunpo is just too much I suggest giving her Shunpo +15 dmg again and the 65 AD scaling i think that could help, still wouldnt solve some of the major issues like the E clunkiness

KatScript1 votes

I think its better to be faster and lower her dmg. The problem is that her w is slow and with the picking daggers e reset delay you cant escape in a hard teafight when enemies focus you and can easily cc you. This means insta death.

ArabicMafia1 votes

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I think its better to be faster and lower her dmg. The problem is that her w is slow and with the picking daggers e reset delay you cant escape in a hard teafight when enemies focus you and can easily cc you. This means insta death.

i’m personally fine with her dagger delays, it allows for more skill expression. however, if you telegraph her damage (daggers) there is no reason to gate her mobility behind a delay. pls rito

TheMysticWar3 votes

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I think its better to be faster and lower her dmg. The problem is that her w is slow and with the picking daggers e reset delay you cant escape in a hard teafight when enemies focus you and can easily cc you. This means insta death.

i also would trade dmg for her not being clunky but its something that for some reason they will never do

KatScript1 votes

I agree it seems impossible :(

ArabicMafia1 votes

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Its really stupid how they fucked up one of the successful reworks. (LeblancRengarwere garbage since the beginning lmao) I love her rework as someone who played her release version and vgu Honestly the problem is that they overnerfed her this season with shunpo + passive the dagger nerf was deserved imo but combined with the shunpo is just too much I suggest giving her Shunpo +15 dmg again and the 65 AD scaling i think that could help, still wouldnt solve some of the major issues like the E clunkiness

i agree, but the e doesnt need more damage, rather the cast time removed and instead of a cd refund, a reset.

Śhunpo5 votes

Either revert her or remove/shorten her Shunpo cast time. This is seriously irritating to deal with right now.

ArabicMafia4 votes

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Either revert her or remove/shorten her Shunpo cast time. This is seriously irritating to deal with right now.

no revert, just shunpo nerfs reverted (refund back to reset, make shunpo retarget, and e cast time) pls

Śhunpo3 votes

Yep, I don't care which Kat I get, so long as the Shunpo I get doesn't have a noticeable cast time.

Killer of Night94 votes

I just only saw nerf to item that she liked. item 3151 that give to her +15 magic pen that was really nice with tank shread ability. item 3165 this is really bad on kat. Even tho magic pen is good, she doesn't need the graveous wound (her R alredy had that) item 3285 which is the worst. As kat, the loss of the ludwn echo has impact her too much. She was reliant to this item like she's on item 3146 but it suit better was she's suppose to do (reset and get luden atack) Gunblade instead is single target and it's build on her because of her low early burst and passive with higher AD ratio on early phase.

ArabicMafia1 votes

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I just only saw nerf to item that she liked. item 3151 that give to her +15 magic pen that was really nice with tank shread ability. item 3165 this is really bad on kat. Even tho magic pen is good, she doesn't need the graveous wound (her R alredy had that) item 3285 which is the worst. As kat, the loss of the ludwn echo has impact her too much. She was reliant to this item like she's on item 3146 but it suit better was she's suppose to do (reset and get luden atack) Gunblade instead is single target and it's build on her because of her low early burst and passive with higher AD ratio on early phase.

yeah the ap item changes hurt her a lot, but removing gunblade and adding spell vamp to her kit would let us rush so many items and her build would be so diverse... think vs malz, scimitar rush (or just sit on qss for later purchase), vs leblanc or fizz hexdrinker into maw, or even just sorcs and oblivion orb rush for max damage. pls rito

TheMuckChuck1 votes

morellos is definitely not bad on katarina, it's pretty good in a lot of situations

Le Suneater3 votes

Im over 500k mastery points and while she is not unplayable, katarina is very close to it. Overall the champion was built with way more counterplay that your average champion and nothing else. I'd love to see some QOL changes to katarina or maybe even a mini-rework like what Ahri and Lux got.

KatScript1 votes

I agree with you. Maybe make her q a range abillity and slow the duration of her e cast time. Maybe if they add a new passive like a shield when you activate the ultimate or something it will make her more safe in teamfights.

ArabicMafia1 votes

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Im over 500k mastery points and while she is not unplayable, katarina is very close to it. Overall the champion was built with way more counterplay that your average champion and nothing else. I'd love to see some QOL changes to katarina or maybe even a mini-rework like what Ahri and Lux got.

While yes, she is playable, in a sense, it feels terrible to only have one good match up (veigar, a champ known for his weak early) as an assassin...

KatScript3 votes

Obviously Katarina's outdated model and her poor kit isn't a problem for riot. And all Katarina main's complaints from bronze to challenger elo don't affect them either!?

Because she got mini reworked before 2 years she cant have another better one and maybe a full rework or just some adjustments? Before the 5 non stop nerfs the rework WAS SUCCESSFUL. BUT after the nerfs and ESPECIALLY the e cast time and the fact that you can't avoid yasuo's tornado and other abilities she's the slow queen and unfun to play. Also why she doesnt have any shield or an invisible abillity like EVERY OTHER ASSASIN ?? Does riot likes Katarina to get destroyed and if the enemies have many ccs tilt us?

But no lets keep her useless passive Voracity just because its Katarina's identity plus with that e cast time and all that delays , also that poor kit without any range abillity so we pleasure every one who hates Katarina.. Well done!! Riot could do worst but thank god (or should i say sadly?) there's no chanse Katarina to recieve another nerf..

I personaly liked the rework a lot and i still do because she is my favourite champ. But it isnt very fun with all these delays.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

ArabicMafia1 votes

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Obviously Katarina's outdated model and her poor kit isn't a problem for riot. And all Katarina main's complaints from bronze to challenger elo don't affect them either!?

Because she got mini reworked before 2 years she cant have another better one and maybe a full rework or just some adjustments? Before the 5 non stop nerfs the rework WAS SUCCESSFUL. BUT after the nerfs and ESPECIALLY the e cast time and the fact that you can't avoid yasuo's tornado and other abilities she's the slow queen and unfun to play. Also why she doesnt have any shield or an invisible abillity like EVERY OTHER ASSASIN ?? Does riot likes Katarina to get destroyed and if the enemies have many ccs tilt us?

But no lets keep her useless passive Voracity just because its Katarina's identity plus with that e cast time and all that delays , also that poor and kit without any range abillity so we pleasure every one who hates Katarina.. Well done!! Riot could do worst but thank god (or should i say sadly?) there's no chanse Katarina to recieve another nerf..

I personaly liked the rework a lot and i still do because she is my favourite champ. But it isnt very fun with all these delays.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

keep voracity, revert SHUNPO nerfs and gunblade reliance she is in a fine spot then

KatScript2 votes

I agree with you!! Voracity its what we know about Katarina so i dont think theres a chance they remove it. But if they added another passive that make her in teamfights more safe it would be awsome.

ArabicMafia1 votes

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I agree with you!! Voracity its what we know about Katarina so i dont think theres a chance they remove it. But if they added another passive that make her in teamfights more safe it would be awsome.

just adding spell vanp to ulti points and removing gunblade would help her so much

sck my d1k rit01 votes

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Obviously Katarina's outdated model and her poor kit isn't a problem for riot. And all Katarina main's complaints from bronze to challenger elo don't affect them either!?

Because she got mini reworked before 2 years she cant have another better one and maybe a full rework or just some adjustments? Before the 5 non stop nerfs the rework WAS SUCCESSFUL. BUT after the nerfs and ESPECIALLY the e cast time and the fact that you can't avoid yasuo's tornado and other abilities she's the slow queen and unfun to play. Also why she doesnt have any shield or an invisible abillity like EVERY OTHER ASSASIN ?? Does riot likes Katarina to get destroyed and if the enemies have many ccs tilt us?

But no lets keep her useless passive Voracity just because its Katarina's identity plus with that e cast time and all that delays , also that poor kit without any range abillity so we pleasure every one who hates Katarina.. Well done!! Riot could do worst but thank god (or should i say sadly?) there's no chanse Katarina to recieve another nerf..

I personaly liked the rework a lot and i still do because she is my favourite champ. But it isnt very fun with all these delays.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

That E cd nerf never affected her, you just simply can max E 3 times to lvl 6 and you have the cooldown you need to reset your daggers and do your full combo perfectly. Keep in mind that she was the highest winrate midlaner for the entire season 7 even with these nerfs. She became the worst champion after they nerf her passive dmg and the changes of some items , like liandry. And now she is even worse with this electrocute nerf.

All her potential was her passive

Seriphym3 votes

I say bring back Original Kat in all her glory and watch the tears fall.

ArabicMafia1 votes

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I say bring back Original Kat in all her glory and watch the tears fall.

no

JeaneGreene3 votes

Viktor pulls Kat in for a hug “So you are also super hungry for gold.... poverty really sucks doesn’t it.”

ArabicMafia1 votes

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Viktor pulls Kat in for a hug “So you are also super hungry for gold.... poverty really sucks doesn’t it.”

too true :(

0 Hogapu2 votes

All I want is her cast time on shunpo removed.

ArabicMafia1 votes

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All I want is her cast time on shunpo removed.

yes, and maybe cd refund changed back to a reset?

0 Hogapu1 votes

im not sure what you're meaning ? I would like her shunpo to reset faster after 6. Before 6, that would break her.

Colton1471 votes

Shyvana item 1419 item 3146 item 3111 item 3124 item 3065 item 3742

Jax item 1416 item 3078 item 3111 item 3146 item 3065 item 3143

Kaisa item 3124 item 3812 item 3006 item 3146 item 3065 item 3085

Teemo item 3146 item 3091 item 3006 item 3151 item 3115 item 3022

item 3070

ArabicMafia1 votes

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Shyvana item 1419 item 3146 item 3111 item 3124 item 3065 item 3742

Jax item 1416 item 3078 item 3111 item 3146 item 3065 item 3143

Kaisa item 3124 item 3812 item 3006 item 3146 item 3065 item 3085

Teemo item 3146 item 3091 item 3006 item 3151 item 3115 item 3022

item 3070

So I'm assuming you are pointing out how other champions build gunblade, yes? Here is the problem, it doesn't matter for these champs. They don't rush it, they are forced to buy it, hell, they aren't REQUIRED to buy it. It's situational on jax, kai sa, and teemo. The only two champs that would miss gunblade truly are akali, and to an even larger extent, KATARINA. She is balanced around this overtuned item, and will never be changed unless riot does something along the lines of reworking or removing gunblade. Even Akali isnt building gunblade every game, with leblanc revert she stopped building it, and jax only builds it in certain situations (along with teemo and kai sa). As for the Shyvana, here is a link to an in-depth media fire guide i found (https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/season-8-shyvana-jungle-total-guide-the-most-in-depth-427599), gunblade is definitely not core on her, so she would not miss it. Please stop trying to say other champs would miss these items, you listed 4 champs that could buy a botrk and do as well or even better than with a gunblade. I'm not sure why you want to argue that other champs would miss it when clearly only Katarina builds it EVERY SINGLE GAME. If it gets so bad for other champs, riot would compensate in a heart beat, so don't give me that bull shit.

Sono Un Kebab1 votes

Bronze 5 builds?

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø1 votes

She is just fine tbh

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