Since patch 5.5 came out, Lee Sin's win rate has dropped to nearly 40%. 40%! Now I understand not that many people like Lee Sin, but no champion should have that low a win rate. He clearly needs some pretty massive buffs if he hopes to become viable again. The new jungle has been especially hard on him.
Gank in Progress7 votesthe reason why his winrate is so low because people suck at him. simple as that. his potential is still broken.
Laughing Fish3 votesLee Sin be like: http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwd9hg7GCb1r3ovdbo1_500.gif
Uperior5 votesGood riddance :) It's nice to see new faces in the jungle rather than ALWAYS 
I am not saying that he should not have been taken down a notch. But with the new jungle and the changes to items, he was taken down too far. He is not longer viable.
BeatzBoyFTW5 votesAnd yet, he was constantly seen at LCS, so he's fine. He actually needs more nerfs.
You want him to drop below 40% win rate? Wow, you must really hate this game, if you wish to remove a champion completely.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesYou do know that winrates actually doesn't really mean anything, even if it is about a champ's mechanics. Your reasoning for his defence is seriously weak, similar to how two person compete and one lost, then the other guy explains that the loser lost because he's black.
You do know that winrates actually doesn't really mean anything http://media.giphy.com/media/LFctgMN2VUc/giphy.gif
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesWait a minute, why even bother reasoning with you? And gj ignoring my other reasonings for him not being viable for buffs since you ran out of troll ideas on how your thread is "right". Eg. Seen in LCS & my metaphor on your "low winrates" reasoning.
I'll juz let you run your mouth. Not worth to help change your mind on this.
Laughing Fish3 votesShowing everyone how beautiful my banner is? http://25.media.tumblr.com/1ff81f3c6790414095202c2aca377ee7/tumblr_mhgjt21qa31qzet3ao2_250.gif
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesBeautiful, but spoilt, for a guy who asks his mom to buy anything he wants, even for an ultimate skin...
BeatzBoyFTW3 votesNo, I'm glad. Glad I've grown up from this. Unfortunately for you.....
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesWinrates are extremely unreliable statistics to make judgments off of. There are too many factors that go into them. You have to account for all the variables first before you can justify a change based on winrate.
Lee Sin's winrate is typically low because he's a very difficult champion to master. Combined with the fact that he's always popular, this means there are many people trying to play him without having the necessary skill, leading to a very skewed winrate.
Zazusha3 votesThey can buff him, after they give him clear weaknesses, and make him not so "works with any comp"
So, he doesn't need a buff, he needs a change. Overloaded kits are toxic, and impossible to balance.
Laughing Fish1 votesLee Sin is overloaded? That is the oldest argument in the game.
Zazusha1 votesand you replying with Gifs belongs in memes and games. Have a real discussion, or get the fuck out of G&B.
His kit is overloaded. Its "the oldest argument" because it's never been addressed or fixed.
Laughing Fish1 votesCursing. That proves you are mature.
Laughing Fish1 votesThey could rework him, but where would that get us? He is the Coca-Cola of League. http://www.killthehydra.com/wp-content/uploads/live-in-a-world-without-coca-cola-breaking-bad-gif.gif
Dreadlocks2 votesAs a Lee main, I cant really complain.. I hope the new jungle takes some of the heat off the guy. Lol is he OP not imho, is he underpowered.. nah.. lol Try the new cinderhulk on him its kinda fun :)
Cinderhulk is great, but alas it has not been enough to help him. He still has the lowest win rate in the game.
Dreadlocks1 votesI just think its too early to say hes trash... Hes been king for years.
I am not saying to buff him back to his old levels, I am just saying make him a viable pick again.
Dreadlocks2 votesViable at what skill lvl? Lee Sin has always had a poor winrate in pubs, but hes always been a strong pick competitively.
Laughing Fish1 votesHe is no longer a strong pick anywhere though. His win rate in plat is 38%.
Dreadlocks1 voteslike i said it has always been low in pubs. Pubs meaning public meaning not professional play.
Laughing Fish1 votesWhen was the last time you saw him in professional play?
Kamiroo Wolf1 votes[{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LaveVUno,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-17T22:45:10.485+0000)
When was the last time you saw him in professional play?
You should probably just stop, bro. It should be clear, even to you, that this thread isn't going to receive any other response than hatred.
Dreadlocks1 votesI love lee sin, and i dont support this lol, to argue win rate is bad.. most champs that have a "high skill cap" have a lower win rate. He is still seen in competitive play frequently.. maybe not as much as season 4 LCS because j4/vi/reksai have become a thing but still a top pick..
HorusEye1 votesIf you don't know what is LCS, stop widening your stupidity by asking retarded questions such as this
ForgiveColour1 votesif a champ has 40% win rate then it needs buff rofl
Are you disagreeing? You think a champion that loses 60% of their games is NOT underpowered?
Maximum Zilean3 votesif a champ has 40% win rate then it needs buff rofl
Or most of the people playing him needs to get better. I see this all the time with "High skill CAP" champions, He isn't to hard to play, but bads keep trying LCSBIGPLAY$ moves with him and fail, usually costing games.
I saw a Lee Sin a few games ago do a "Ward jump into R" combo and kicked me into his team. DId I mention I was using 
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Retillin1 votesHow is the "new jungle" been especially hard on him? He was AMAZING pre 5.5 in the jungle. And then they nerfed the jungle, so that it's easier to clear. That's a buff...
The same reason why Vi has fallen away. It is not that Lee Sin is bad, it is just that everyone else is better.
Retillin1 votesWell first off, Lee has over a 45ish% win rate in ranked in the past week. This is about .75 off of his normal win rate. So you can't say the current jungle hurt him, if nothing in the jungle got harder and his numbers are about the same...
Retillin1 votesJust pointing out the weakness in your argument. I think there is a reason you are sitting at -6 or so points over all.
Zmuecat1 votesWhat's his win rate in plat+? Champion.gg has him at 45%.
Seems fair.
177A Bleecker St1 votesWanna here a joke? Lee sin walked into a bar, and a car, and a pole.
DrCyanide1 votesWhat are you talking about fool? He's still at 45%, less than a 2% drop from last patch,
NinjaToad991 votesI don't get how people don't understand the sarcasm. I'm not saying you have to think it's funny, but when the entire thing is sarcastic and nobody treats it as such... I just don't get it.
