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When is Evelynn going to start getting plays?

rtbf221651412··2 votes·1,428 views

Not like you keep nerfing her or anything. Directly or indirectly. (Jungle 'nerfs') Maybe since 2012?

Evelynn has always had issues clearing. Then you decide to nerf first clear bonus exp. Then, you added more harder camps that Evelynn already had an issue with before. Just because new players can't stealth detect Evelynn doesn't mean she needs these nerfs. Rengar hasn't been nerfed, has he? I'd like to see some logical points from Riot because it's ridiculous that a revamp hasn't come out in five years?

Raptors are hard for many jungles. They basically melt her longer than the other jungles. Don't get me started on the Krugs. Do I need to go into detail about how the items barely affect her terrible scaling? Or about how wide her stealth radius is for someone who is supposed to be 'balanced' around perma-stealth? Or how bad she is on Aram because of this 'balance'? Or maybe I should go into how bad her base stats are for a melee champion who is supposed to be an assassin or what you guys changed into a 'slayer'. Or how bad her melee stats are for a melee mage?

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jaymc11303 votes

Ok, when a GDer makes a standard gameplay post and is as wrong in said thread as most gameplay posters typically are its a really, really, really bad look for GD and the boards in general...

Firstly, Eve doesn't need to be touched. She's in the most balanced state she will ever be in at precisely this moment as long as she keeps that busted, utterly broken passive that she has. She's not god tier, she's not third tier, she's firmly in the competitive situational picks tier.

Secondly, no jungler has issues clearing the camps. If you have issue clearing the camps it's because you clear them wrong, don't kite, don't path well, or don't understand that no champ will ever have issues with healthy clearing as long as item 2032 exists and can be purchased after 2 camps with next to no loss of tempo (or literally no loss in tempo at all if you are diamond like me and know what you're doing).

Thirdly, Eve is a hyper scaling threat. About the only champ in the game that scales in a similar fashion is jax. I play Eve as a tank and in roughly 95% of matches I will deal the most damage to enemy champions by a lot. A lot a lot. With a tank build.

Everything else you mention is kept weak on her to balance the most op passive in the entire game. Her weak base stats are literally the only thing keeping her from pick/ban status at all times.

You will be penalized several reputation points in GD because of this post. Tsk tsk.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Ok, when a GDer makes a standard gameplay post and is as wrong in said thread as most gameplay posters typically are its a really, really, really bad look for GD and the boards in general...

Firstly, Eve doesn't need to be touched. She's in the most balanced state she will ever be in at precisely this moment as long as she keeps that busted, utterly broken passive that she has. She's not god tier, she's not third tier, she's firmly in the competitive situational picks tier.

Secondly**, no jungler has issues clearing the camps**. If you have issue clearing the camps it's because you clear them wrong, don't kite, don't path well, or don't understand that no champ will ever have issues with healthy clearing as long as item 2032 exists and can be purchased after 2 camps with next to no loss of tempo (or literally no loss in tempo at all if you are diamond like me and know what you're doing).

Thirdly, Eve is a hyper scaling threat. About the only champ in the game that scales in a similar fashion is jax. I play Eve as a tank and in roughly 95% of matches I will deal the most damage to enemy champions by a lot. A lot a lot. With a tank build.

Everything else you mention is kept weak on her to balance the** most op passive in the entire game**. Her weak base stats are literally the only thing keeping her from pick/ban status at all times.

You will be penalized several reputation points in GD because of this post. Tsk tsk.

I think you are high.

jaymc11301 votes

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I think you are high.

I didn't bring muh smoke with me to work today. Doesn't happen that way often. 9 times out of 10 when you'd post this at me you'd be correct. Bad luck today I forgot to bring some bud.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I didn't bring muh smoke with me to work today. Doesn't happen that way often. 9 times out of 10 when you'd post this at me you'd be correct. Bad luck today I forgot to bring some bud.

If you think her passive is broken and the most broken in the game, I think you smoking isn't the only thing you should be worried about.

jaymc11301 votes

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If you think her passive is broken and the most broken in the game, I think you smoking isn't the only thing you should be worried about.

All I'm saying is you: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lakrosin

And me: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=OOBestEveNAOo

And it took me all of 25 games to have diamond MMR, less than half of the total you've played this season. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/zxY08dfq-tfw-you-have-an-mmr-of-170-and-an-83-win-rate-in-ranked

I mean, I'm trying to be nice about this mate, don't want to upset you or anything, but you are factually incorrect with every statement in this post and it looks like you need some help setting the record straight so you can move on to bigger and better things. It might behoove you to perk up those ears and listen buddy.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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All I'm saying is you: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lakrosin

And me: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=OOBestEveNAOo

And it took me all of 25 games to have diamond MMR, less than half of the total you've played this season. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/zxY08dfq-tfw-you-have-an-mmr-of-170-and-an-83-win-rate-in-ranked

I mean, I'm trying to be nice about this mate, don't want to upset you or anything, but you are factually incorrect with every statement in this post and it looks like you need some help setting the record straight so you can move on to bigger and better things. It might behoove you to perk up those ears and listen buddy.

I have a smurf dude. It's a lot easier to rank on my smurf because I get matched with high ranked players. I also been playing Aram and Normals more than ranked.

So, again, what is your point?

Also you have a 0% winrate on Evelynn this season. Good job?

jaymc11301 votes

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I have a smurf dude. It's a lot easier to rank on my smurf because I get matched with high ranked players. I also been playing Aram and Normals more than ranked.

So, again, what is your point?

That your entire argument is factually incorrect. Every single point, word for word, is wrong.

That Eve account IS a smurf for me... One of several in the top 1% of the ladder. I probably know better than you. (In this case we absolutely know I do.)

rtbf2216514121 votes

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That your entire argument is factually incorrect. Every single point, word for word, is wrong.

That Eve account IS a smurf for me... One of several in the top 1% of the ladder. I probably know better than you. (In this case we absolutely know I do.)

Let me know when you get a higher winrate with Evelynn then we will talk about 'broken'.

jaymc11301 votes

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Let me know when you get a higher winrate with Evelynn then we will talk about 'broken'.

I guess a 60% win rate in diamond and better isn't enough even though only 2 players with at least 50 Eve games had higher win rates on the entire na server last season.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I guess a 60% win rate in diamond and better isn't enough even though only 2 players with at least 50 Eve games had higher win rates on the entire na server last season.

Except you haven't provided proof at all. All you spout is numbers and broken logic instead.

Your 'smurfs' are not the way you provide proof.

Also down voting this thread with your smurfs hasn't proved your point in the slightest.

jaymc11301 votes

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Except you haven't provided proof at all. All you spout is numbers and broken logic instead.

Sorry mate, that's what you are doing. I've provided all the evidence required. If you choose to ignore it that's your own issue, no one else's mate.

If the advice of the best Evelynn player in all of NA means nothing and those accomplishments are not "evidence" enough then, quite simply, you are in the skill range you belong in and have expressed the mental grasp of this game of the average bronze player, the rank to which you belong.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Sorry mate, that's what you are doing. I've provided all the evidence required. If you choose to ignore it that's your own issue, no one else's mate.

If the advice of the best Evelynn player in all of NA means nothing and those accomplishments are "evidence" enough then, quite simply, you are in the skill range you belong in and have expressed the mental grasp of this game of the average bronze player, the rank to which you belong.

Your smurfs and spouting a non-existent win rate isn't proof. Based on your smurfs isn't proof. The highest I see is in the 50's.

Again, come back when you provide evidence.

Then come back again when you provide her win rates in general if she is so 'broken'.

jaymc11301 votes

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Your smurfs and spouting a non-existent win rate isn't proof. Based on your smurfs isn't proof. The highest I see is in the 50's.

Again, come back when you provide evidence.

Then come back again when you provide her win rates in general if she is so 'broken'.

Arguing with best Eve player on server about Eve: minus 100% board reputation points, 50 additional reputation points penalized for being this stubborn in the face of factual evidence.

jaymc11301 votes

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Except you haven't provided proof at all. All you spout is numbers and broken logic instead.

Your 'smurfs' are not the way you provide proof.

Also down voting this thread with your smurfs hasn't proved your point in the slightest.

I haven't touched a downvote or upvote button. I rarely do.

Would you like me to?

lolipopevelynn2 votes

Raptors arnt that huge of a deal if kited correctly actually, however the exp nerf ON TOP of how beat up she gets in jg is a big deal.

Mountain Warden2 votes

They probably won't do anything major on her until her VGU. A lot whispers in the community are saying the next two champs (after Galio) up for a rework will be Urgot and Eve. So we're probably looking at about 9-12 months before she's reworked. In the meantime, we the Eve fans will just have to deal with her shortcomings.

VelvetCrotch1 votes

As far as i agree with u, dont be so pessimistic. ;-)

My predictions: Galio VGU - Release between 15.02. and 15.03., than Urgot or Eve, maybe one champ in between. So most likely is a release of Eve around May/June.

Hyperiön2 votes

I mean, she did see play in the LCS so...

Scruberz1 votes

?

PureSilvrr1 votes

I usually get a smiteless leash from my red side and then do krugs after with smite and 3 pots and back or gank. After that its usually smooth sailing.

And besides, you've literally played eve once ever, and that was in 2015.

rtbf2216514121 votes

{quoted} And besides, you've literally played eve once ever, and that was in 2015.

You clearly haven't seen my match history.

PureSilvrr1 votes

Is it on a different account? I only see one game.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Is it on a different account? I only see one game.

Why would I go Evelynn against players when she is that bad?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/221651412?champion=28

Idk what you are smoking, but I don't want any.

Also I prob have some games in my EUW account as well against players because idgaf on that account.

PureSilvrr2 votes

Then your just bad at Evelynn. Many people carry on her, and she has a lot of potential in her matches

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Then your just bad at Evelynn. Many people carry on her, and she has a lot of potential in her matches

Yeah... No.

I can carry as ADC Soraka, doesn't make her viable or good.

Keep hiding your head in the sand though.

PureSilvrr1 votes

k ill stay in the sand with Azir

FingerFlavored1 votes

The problem isn't much of the stealth detection.

Lets discuss this... If evelynn was to get better early clears she can become oppressive. Not for laners, but for the enemy jungle. While 90% of the junglers are trying to clear camps and running at 200hp on there second or third camp you can safely past any early wards and pop them.

also if the jungler is on the other side there is nothing to really stop you from taking his jungle while you're there.

Trust me i have abused this tactic many times. Enemy common quotes "Really" "!@$& Off" "Cancer Champ" and more. It really isn't fun on the opposite side.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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The problem isn't much of the stealth detection.

Lets discuss this... If evelynn was to get better early clears she can become oppressive. Not for laners, but for the enemy jungle. While 90% of the junglers are trying to clear camps and running at 200hp on there second or third camp you can safely past any early wards and pop them.

also if the jungler is on the other side there is nothing to really stop you from taking his jungle while you're there.

Trust me i have abused this tactic many times. Enemy common quotes "Really" "!@$& Off" "Cancer Champ" and more. It really isn't fun on the opposite side.

It may not be fun, but it's not like we don't have 'cancer' champs that can still be dealt with already. That and she was already dealt with before the nerfs? And she was terrible before as well?

The stealth detection is too big for something like Aram. You might as well say "Oh, she is there, just not in our LoS" for Aram.

LøKı1 votes

In case you're still wondering: http://www.riftherald.com/lol-patch-notes/2017/1/31/14456746/urgot-evelynn-reworks-update-lol

rtbf2216514121 votes

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In case you're still wondering: http://www.riftherald.com/lol-patch-notes/2017/1/31/14456746/urgot-evelynn-reworks-update-lol

I noticed this a while back.

Doesn't mean they wont nerf her again with some stupid kit.

LøKı1 votes

No doubt. Just wanted to make sure you'd seen it.

Oleandervine1 votes

Evelynn will start getting plays later this year when she's all sparkly and new from her upcoming VGU.

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