Should Morgana be nerfed (54% banrate u.gg)

Denelix·Sep 30, 2019·4 votes·3,053 views

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Morgana pick and banrate is increasing because she counters hook champions really well you know the aids of botlane atm especially blitzcrank. Her banrate is over the limit riot claimed that they would force nerf a champion (Though I doubt they would do that but Just incase :C). I Am not a support main and i know morgana is an aids champ to go against because of her annoying 3 second root and her pretty much point and click poke but really her ban and pick is only going up because of this "hook meta" with her black shield. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Forgot to throw in my own Opinion in this. I think morgana shouldnt be nerfed because she counters hook champs really well and hook champs are really OP right now

46 Comments

BoxOfFedUpFrogs Sep 30, 20193 votes

Should morgana be nerfed because shes picked against the OP champions............no. Just no. If you wanted me to go ahead and say nerf the hook meta a bit you did it. No more hooker buffs please. Turn of phrase win notwithstanding.

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

yeah I agree but it would really suck if riot sees Morgana's banrate and then wants to nerf her :/ I honestly myself dont think she should be nerfed because she counters this Support meta riot OVER BUFFED.

BrightWîngsSep 30, 20193 votes

she has a high ban rate because she is a really good counter pick to a lot of champions not because she is op.....

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

I know thats what i said. I never said shes OP or anything I never said she was broken I was asking if you guys think she should be nerfed I just wanted to know you guys' opinions anyways, in my opinion, i think shes a really good pick def for the bot lane meta at the moment. But yeah Never said she was OP

BrightWîngsOct 1, 20191 votes

Then why are you asking if she needs a nerf if you know she doesnt need a nerf lol

DenelixOct 2, 20191 votes

Wanted to hear you guys' opinion that is all

Daddy AntsOct 10, 20193 votes

Hook champs need nerfing, not Morgana.

DenelixOct 14, 20191 votes

Agreed

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20192 votes

Her bind does so much damage. 300 damage + 90% AP scaling. It's just death to an ADC in lane. She's frustrating to play against in lane because she can stop you from getting your CC off, while she can hit one bind and the lane is over because it's such a long root that can be chain CC'd Caitlyn Jinx Ashe Varus and deals so much damage. Not many people like that and I think that's pretty understandable

The size of the projectile, the damage it does (and allows for) are too many positive tradeoffs for "It's slow"

IllabetheSep 30, 20192 votes

Because a Blitz doing 70% HP damage to an adc and repositioning them closer to HIS adc is not? Or the 50% + 4 second disable on thresh?

This argument could be made for a LOT of champs. What about stepping on a trap and Caitlyn head shot? or a Varus Q after his first purchase?

Oh right......

P.S. Q doesn't do 300 until Tier 5.....

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

Morgana can do 100% of their hp after she gets to completed Zhonya. If Ezreal uses E and has no flash, you can just self cast shield, flash R and he gets chain CC'd for ~5seconds and dies to your W Q R1 and R2 damage. Ignite if he has heal.

Blitz and Thresh hooks are thinner (ignoring the lollipop grab at the end of the hitbox) so they are as easy to dodge as a morgana bind

Blitz and Thresh also don't offer a spellshield

IllabetheSep 30, 20192 votes

You do realize you're arguing that a SUPPORT Morg (no W leveling) can 100% HP? That's wrong on sooooo many levels. Your opponent also had to completely nub their kit to make it possible.

Anyone can anyone if they waste their kit and have nothing left.

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

I did it to a Vayne today, hit bind, ult W, throw autos, scorch+comet+absolute focus. She tried to condemn but I had spellshield, she tried to kill me but I had armor from item 3157

Thresh and Blitz can't because they build tanky

I really like playing Morgana, but I don't want Riot to botch her into the ground with a silly nerf that leaves her permanently crippled/useless

IllabetheSep 30, 20191 votes

OMFG YES THEY CAN! Blitz's kit by itself drops 70% HP of an adc WITHOUT even considering Aftershock or Ignite OR stats.

Thresh's first auto can almost 1 shot an adc if they have been stacking properly. His Ult hits for enough damage to 50% HP almost any adc.

You REALLY don't know your champs....

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

Yeah sure, if they dealt true damage with their abilities, which isn't the case. Blitz doesn't build AP (often) and Thresh doesn't build AD so there's no way a flay auto will deal that much, so these claims are just ridiculous

IllabetheSep 30, 20191 votes

Do the math of what they actually do in damage and then come back. (Hint: Blitz can leave an adc with 244 HP after his skills at level 6. Thresh can overkill them at 6. Both don't include runes)

Thresh can actually 1v1 Morgana btw.

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

Even level 9, Blitz'll deal 550 magic + 160 physical, roughly, with QER

So that becomes like 420 magic and 106 physical, 526 post mit damage

ADC (Jinx, roughly 30MR + 50AR), level 9 has ~1150hp, that's less than 50% of her hp, with aftershock and an auto maybe you get to 55%, no where near 70% though

IllabetheSep 30, 20191 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/APGGZVGj-i-am-permabanning-blitzcranck-now?comment=000e0000000000000000

This is how that example actually goes. Except he too left out both Aftershock and Ignite.

Even he cedes the kit does 56% by itself at level 6, not including the extra auto attacks blitz gets in after the hook. With Aftershock + 1-2 autos + Ignite, it's 100%. You're leaving off a lot of physical damage from his E, Sheen too.

Furthermore, many Blitzes ARE building at least 2 AP items : item 2065 item 3100

Oh. And it's not like a target can escape blitz after they are pulled to him. At least not solo. He will get off another E and possibly Q, and they will struggle against his barrier, while he's auto attacking away....

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

"Let's consider Blitz damage at his huge ult damage powerspikes"

WOAH BLITZ SO MUCH %hp DMG

Sheen dmg OP

Lich bane blitzcrank !!!

My point was that morgana deals a lot of damage, and if SOMETHING has to be nerfed, I think her damage makes the most sense

This "Well, relatively under certain niche conditions she does only a little bit more relative to other supports" means absolutely nothing anyway

Last reply, this is like playing whack-a-mole

IllabetheOct 1, 20191 votes

Morg doesn't do a lot of damage at all and if you think she does, you're a lunatic.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Morgana/

She literally averages 10k damage a game. If built AP, she does about 21k damage a game, unless she's just freely fed and 2 items ahead....

NaughtyWordSep 30, 20192 votes

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Morgana can do 100% of their hp after she gets to completed Zhonya.

Absolutely not from a SUPPORT morgana, this is 100% malarkey. Morgana mid maybe, but support Morgana with 110 AP with item 3092 , item 3020 , and item 3157 ?

No, just no.

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

Imagine spending 950 gold on EotW before 2nd item

IllabetheSep 30, 20191 votes

you mean third item?

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

Most people would say

item 3098 item 3020 item 3157

Is one complete item and sorc shoes/boots/T2 boots

That's how lolalytics counts items, item 5 is full build (5 items+boots), so that's how I count them

InfernapeSep 30, 20191 votes

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Her bind does so much damage. 300 damage + 90% AP scaling. It's just death to an ADC in lane. She's frustrating to play against in lane because she can stop you from getting your CC off, while she can hit one bind and the lane is over because it's such a long root that can be chain CC'd and deals so much damage. Not many people like that and I think that's pretty understandable

The size of the projectile, the damage it does (and allows for) are too many tradeoffs for "It's slow"

mfw Riot never fixed the hitbox with her visual update.

only lucianoSep 30, 20192 votes

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Her bind does so much damage. 300 damage + 90% AP scaling. It's just death to an ADC in lane. She's frustrating to play against in lane because she can stop you from getting your CC off, while she can hit one bind and the lane is over because it's such a long root that can be chain CC'd and deals so much damage. Not many people like that and I think that's pretty understandable

The size of the projectile, the damage it does (and allows for) are too many positive tradeoffs for "It's slow"

-Can be blocked by a minion -becomes an almost useless champ when it's down -Puts herself in danger when she ult's unless she has stopwatch. -shield only blocks magic damage in a lane where adc do physical damage -squishy

Crispy0SnakeSep 30, 20191 votes

If you don't shoot it at minions, it won't be blocked by minions

Still has spellshield to stop cc connecting to your adc

Often has Stopwatch/Zhonya's

The shield is used to block cc, you rarely use it to block non lethal magic damage, supports often deal magic damage and have at least one CC ability

Has Zhonya to survive in fights

only lucianoOct 1, 20191 votes

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If you don't shoot it at minions, it won't be blocked by minions

Still has spellshield to stop cc connecting to your adc

Often has Stopwatch/Zhonya's

The shield is used to block cc, you rarely use it to block non lethal magic damage, supports often deal magic damage and have at least one CC ability

Has Zhonya to survive in fights

same thing can be said about hook champs with minions or any skill shot
enchanters have 2 other utilities abilities that can use offensively, morg just have one defensive spell after Q, a shield
doesn't get stopwatch/zhyonas til later in the game and still has to get close to do it. If she does and stopwatches they can walk/flash away. Also zhyonas has a long cooldown
anti cc shield doesn't block damage from the main damage in lane, the adc, so its practically worthless in a trade/poke with enemy adc as opposed to the shield from -shield has a over 15 second cooldown

IllabetheSep 30, 20192 votes

I see what you did thar: You saw a Morg buff thread and decided to counterpoint it, even though that's NOT the metric Riot uses to measure nerf/buff qualifications.

What they do use: Ban Rate + Win rate. Champion Skill Cap on Mastery

Currently Morgana is 49.1% Win rate, and she is one of the lowest ceilings of masteries of all League champions. In other words, she's not even close to a potential nerf.

It is arguable though that she deserves a slight buff (probably to her W, since right now, unless she's somehow drastically ahead, a Q/W Combo isn't even threatening without her ult)

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

No, none of that happened I was watching Morgana's stats recently and she use to have a higher winrate idk what happened. to it but what i do know is that her banrate was increasing like every day (https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/morgana you can see her winrate randomly dropped by like 2%... somehow) Anyways didn't even know there was a buff thread about her (I don't think she needs a buff nor a nerf tbh) and why would I "counterpoint" it when I like Morgana in this current hook support meta hook champs r broken XD atm.

IllabetheSep 30, 20191 votes

Morgana can literally hit every single skill right now and unless her target is already 60%, it will not kill them. As a mid. Most other mid champs..... when they get their ult, they can 100% HP kill without a 60% HP target.

I'm a 3.7 million Mastery Morgana. What do I know?

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

xd yea. I see so true about the Mid laners though

TrustingSep 30, 20192 votes

Poor Morgana ;-; gonna get nerfed because of riot over buffing champs I like having morgana as my support shes a true lifesaver and when I go against her I dont find her broken or anything this is kind of unfair imo :/ If she actually gets nerfed Ill be disappointed

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

Darning hook meta is unhealthy man ; -;

Pika FoxOct 1, 20192 votes

Shes a counter pick based champion, so her winrate will be high as she is only reliably picked into specific lanes.

DenelixOct 1, 20191 votes

Yeah once people realize whe to use morgana i think her winrate would increase too smart thoughts. I think every meta should have some type of counter fits morg rly well.

The KombinatorOct 2, 20192 votes

To be honest. Morgana is a sort of joker card on botlane. It cannot be countered by the adc+support style. The reason many bans her is, because she hard counters every all-in.

Poker support: Morgana herself is a poker support so mirror fight.

All-in: spellshield erase all CC. Prevents your all-in.

Enchanter: Again skillplay. Unless you got Caitlyn. With that any Q, that hits is pretty much instakill, if she reacts, and place a trap.

NaughtyWordSep 30, 20191 votes

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Morgana pick and banrate is increasing because she counters hook champions really well you know the aids of botlane atm especially blitzcrank. Her banrate is over the limit riot claimed that they would force nerf a champion (Though I doubt they would do that but Just incase :C). I Am not a support main and i know morgana is an aids champ to go against because of her annoying 3 second root and her pretty much point and click poke but really her ban and pick is only going up because of this "hook meta" with her black shield. What do you guys think?

Morgana's ban rate has absolutely nothing to do with her state of balance and has everything to do with the fact that Pyke Nautilus Blitzcrank and Leona players are too brain dead to learn how to play a lane.

Hook champs are strong right now, they've just made one of them stronger, so their LITERAL ONLY COUNTER, is going to get banned and lots.

Make hook champs less OP and Morg's ban rate would plummet.

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

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Morgana's ban rate has absolutely nothing to do with her state of balance and has everything to do with the fact that and players are too brain dead to learn how to play a lane.

Hook champs are strong right now, they've just made one of them stronger, so their LITERAL ONLY COUNTER, is going to get banned and lots.

Make hook champs less OP and Morg's ban rate would plummet.

Yeah, thats why I don't want her to be nerfed I probably should've stated my own opinion but I also didn't want the thread to be biased

50CaliberHecateSep 30, 20191 votes

No. Champs should just stop receiving CC in every single spell is all. Legit every champ nowadays has 1 -2 CC spells in the kit. 8 champs I believe in total in league that don’t carry any CC in their kit or who don’t have spells that connect to Cc.

DenelixOct 2, 20191 votes

so true lol

NaonSep 30, 20191 votes

She's banned because everyone enjoys a cheese botlane with pyke, blitz, or thresh picks making it easy to feed their adc. These hook picks don't like any counter engage champs or champs that do a good job helping provide safety for their adc. She's hardly ban worthy and her CDs are already extremely long early game with her Black Shield being nerfed a while back to where she might get 1 shield for every 2-3 hooks thrown. Her W damage is minut and easy to step out of. Her Q is all she has going for her early and even that is easy to dodge.

DenelixSep 30, 20191 votes

Yup riot making the hook meta op is gonna get Morgana gutted :C