Daily reminder that there is a difference between trolling and "breaking the meta"

pachoangman·Dec 27, 2014·69 votes·5,060 views

Some people think it's the same thing.

111 Comments

VertexRoseDec 27, 201444 votes

When a somebody random does it, it's called Trolling. When a pro does it, its "breaking the meta".

YfrappefortDec 28, 20148 votes

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When a somebody random does it, it's called Trolling. When a pro does it, its "breaking the meta".

Like, imagine someone picking Jungle TF like it was done recently. He would obviously be called a troll. Yet a competitive team can do it and it's fine.

ImHerVoiceDec 28, 20144 votes

The reason pros can do it is because they're not complete shit at the game so its alright to branch out.

TehNACHODec 27, 201423 votes

As a Master Yi/Xin Zhao mid player, I must say, I'm riding a really, really fine line between the two every time I do that.

ZyvuxDec 27, 20145 votes

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As a Master Yi/Xin Zhao mid player, I must say, I'm riding a really, really fine line between the two every time I do that.

Amen. I main Vi Mid, and I share your pain.

LegostrikeDec 27, 20144 votes

master Yi mid actually kinda works. Do you go E first?

TehNACHODec 27, 20149 votes

Usually Q against shorter ranged enemies, and W against really, really long range enemies.

It's actually really funny, nobody respects Yi mid so they always blow their abilities trying to hit me, and it's almost always super telegraphed too. One misstep on their part and bam, Alpha Strike negated their ability and now I'm wailing away on them.

Spacesuit SpiffDec 27, 201412 votes

Yeah, they should have at least some sort of idea of why what they're doing would work. I saw a Vlad jungle once, he thought his sustain might be enough to jungle, and it wasn't. That's fine, assuming you try it outside of ranked first. On the other hand, the annie support going "I'm a mage support I'm taking farm" to try to get someone to dodge, that's extremely troll and there isn't even any question of whether it could work in a soloq team.

Rock RockburghDec 28, 20142 votes

That Annie wouldn't work in any team. A support is a support, even if they're also a mage. I play AP Soraka. Does that mean I farm? No, it means I harass and start building AP as soon as my Sightstone and Coin are up. Do I ever hit full build? Of course not; but just being there still makes me a significant contributor to the team. Annie can do it even better, since a huge portion of her kit comes from an AOE stun. Even without gold, she's a huge factor in teamfights, especially against unskilled opponents who will stay clustered.

WingsofGulgazorDec 28, 20141 votes

I agree some supports especially if they got a kill can snowball and carry harder then about any mid laner can by holding of sightstone and building ap and buying wards. Though if your not snowballing nothing pisses me of more then a lux/annie/fiddlesticks support who comes by and uses there abilities to clear the huge wave of farm the only farm that you've had the chance to get for the past 5 mins because of a lot of teamfighting and when this happens several times... I mean even when I smurfed with annie and played annie support and rush mejai's mobi boots and got several kills early I didn't take the cs unless it was to hold turrets and then these support players who you can tell don't support much by seeing how they lane come in and feed and then make the game harder by taking all the cs as well as feeding....

RaptameiDec 27, 20148 votes

Your "fun pick" is only fun for you while your teammates have one more thing to worry about/adapt to.

You're starting off the game by showing that you don't care about your team. No surprise their morale sucks.

MindspeakerDec 28, 20148 votes

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Your "fun pick" is only fun for you while your teammates have one more thing to worry about/adapt to.

You're starting off the game by showing that you don't care about your team. No surprise their morale sucks.

If their moral drops form playing in solo que they shouldn't be in solo que in the frist place.

Ranked poro normal whatever Its a game its about fun **not about being a meta sheep who only played for the outcome . **

You don't like it stay out of solo que and just build your own team.

Rock RockburghDec 28, 20144 votes

I'd make a slight change to this... Normals and FGMs are definitely about the fun of it, but Ranked games are 100% about playing to win. If you're not trying your hardest to take the nexus, you really shouldn't be in ranked.

OblongOtterDec 29, 20141 votes

What if I play Blitz top in ranked because it's fun and also I'm good at it? (I need to practice it again to be good at it, but it is really strong as long as you aren't countered.)

RathlordDec 28, 20141 votes

No. Normal's are for "fun" any version of ranked play is ranked, competitive play. You should be aiming to win in any form of ranked.

MindspeakerDec 28, 20142 votes

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No. Normal's are for "fun" any version of ranked play is ranked, competitive play. You should be aiming to win in any form of ranked.

That opinion not fact.

I treat ranked the same as normal . Im just here for the victorious skin. If your in it to stress out and be a meta sheep that is only worried about the outcome of the game ...may i suggest you stay out of solo que and form your own team.

Put fun first and eventually you'll end up where your supposed to be .

People who blame everything else for their ranks ( lag, the client , others elo, matchmaking, etcetc) for not moving up deserve to be where they are.

RathlordDec 28, 20141 votes

This has nothing to do with blaming anyone for anything.

Ranked is competitive. You should be competitive in competitive. If you don't want to win, you should be playing normals. That's the reason there exists normals and ranked. They are separate things. You are bringing bad experiences to other players intentionally by not competing seriously to win. You should be banned every bit as much as afk'ers or people who dance in the dragon pit all game. Que for ranked to win.

MindspeakerDec 29, 20141 votes

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This has nothing to do with blaming anyone for anything.

Ranked is competitive. You should be competitive in competitive. If you don't want to win, you should be playing normals. That's the reason there exists normals and ranked. They are separate things. You are bringing bad experiences to other players intentionally by not competing seriously to win. You should be banned every bit as much as afk'ers or people who dance in the dragon pit all game. Que for ranked to win.

this is still just your opinion not fact .

I personally think people like you are ruining my experience I don't like meta sheep throwing tantrums in a video game and You sound like you could be one of the ragers that become toxic and stressed out.

If you want to be that competitive and get stressed out over a video game than

STAY OUT OF SOLO QUE AND FORM YOUR OWN TEAM

Non competitive non meta players have just as much right to be in solo que as you do. When they start giving victorious skins in normal's ill stay out of ranked,

RathlordDec 29, 20141 votes

There's no opinion here. Ranked, in any game, sport, or hobby is a measure of how well you do in a competitive environment. You can play obtuse and argue semantics all you want, but at the end of the day you know you're wrong.

All I'm seeing is someone who thinks he's entitled to a reward for competitive play without being a competitive player.

Would you be equally as angsty if you played pro football and didn't get a Super Bowl ring because you thought it would be fun to try playing football running backwards all season? I'd say not, and I'd say your team mates would be angry at you because you're willfully sabotaging your team- just like you're doing in League.

League is a team game, and by refusing to play competitively in the competitive side of it you are being as rude and egocentric as an afker or intentional feeder.

Edit: And please keep the implied personal insults coming, that's really proving your point.

MindspeakerDec 30, 20141 votes

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There's no opinion here. Ranked, in any game, sport, or hobby is a measure of how well you do in a competitive environment. You can play obtuse and argue semantics all you want, but at the end of the day you know you're wrong.

All I'm seeing is someone **who thinks he's entitled **to a reward for competitive play without being a competitive player.

Would you be equally as angsty if you played pro football and didn't get a Super Bowl ring because you thought it would be fun to try playing football running backwards all season? I'd say not, and I'd say your team mates would be angry at you because you're willfully sabotaging your team- just like you're doing in League.

League is a team game, and by refusing to play competitively in the competitive side of it you are being as rude and egocentric as an afker or intentional feeder.

Edit: And please keep the implied personal insults coming, that's really proving your point.

I think you should look in the mirror .

The fact that you think there is no opinion just proves my point better than anything else you have said . You are the one who is entitled and takes a video game way to serious

if you think you can compare solo que ranked to pro football.......

I personally think your delusional.

The FACTS are

** You don't make the rules Riot does **

So anything you say is an OPINION if its not something riot has said specifically.

I have never gotten a warning for anything so that would lead me to believe and Riot has no problem with how iI play .

Riot has said themselves you cannot be banned for playing unpopular or non meta champs (unless you a re breaking one of their behavioral rules doing it for example intentional feeding)

If your s is not an OPINION I challenge you to show me a thread or part of the websites where a **Riot employee **that **SPECIFICALLY support your argument **... not your " interpretation" of the code.....

A post where Riot specifically says what you can and cant do in ranked when it comes to non behavior issues.

What champs are allowed in ranked 2 What the team comp has to be 3 what "roles" each champ Has to play 4 the rules difference between ranked and normal ques

Find me thread where a riot employee has answered these questions specifically. Then and only t hen can you say "there is no opinion here"

RathlordJan 7, 20151 votes

"Serious competition -- Playing ranked because it is the most competitive mode where everyone has opted in to trying their hardest to win"

Direct quote from Riot regarding why people play ranked. Trying your hardest to win means playing viable champs, not trying to Nami ADC or Sona jungle. Trying your hardest to win does not mean intentionally playing vastly suboptimal champs for the roles or building them in ways that cause you to lose, such as 6 boots of speed.

MindspeakerJan 7, 20151 votes

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"Serious competition -- Playing ranked because it is the most competitive mode where everyone has opted in to trying their hardest to win"

Direct quote from Riot regarding why people play ranked. Trying your hardest to win means playing viable champs, not trying to Nami ADC or Sona jungle. Trying your hardest to win does not mean intentionally playing vastly suboptimal champs for the roles or building them in ways that cause you to lose, such as 6 boots of speed.

LoL still only your opinion. You haven't provided any concrete facts to support your case . You are entertaining me though. your entitled to play however serious you want in game . If you want to get upset over a video game that is also your choice .

I choose to have fun. that doesn't mean i don't try to win ...i just don't try to win the meta sheep way.

The fact remains there are NO OFFICIAL RULES about what champion are viable and what role you HAVE to play them .

Until you can produce to me an official list From Riot that states exactly what champs are "viable" for ranked and Exactly what position they have t o be played and what equipment you have to buy for them

Your OPINION means less than nothing to me and i will just go on having fun in ranked till i get my skin..after that I take it even less seriously there is no point to ranked after gold at all.

DekordDec 29, 20142 votes

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Learn to adapt to people and get along with them. If your morale drops in solo queue because I'm playing something I'm highly effective at and am able to contribute to the team with simply because you're unused to it, you should not be playing a cooperative game.

Playing something unusual in Ranked doesn't mean I don't care about my team; it means that I care enough about winning to play something I'm good at instead of adhering to meta picks out of fear that people who can't adapt will be "demoralized" by my choice.

Demonsolder21Dec 28, 20145 votes

Wow, well gee thanks OP for not telling me the main difference I mean its not like i'm supposed to know right. To clarify instead of leaving us with a cynical statement you could have at least provided us with some information.

WildNerdAppearsDec 28, 20145 votes

People need to get the idea of a "Meta" out of their heads. Just because a champion is played in LCS doesn't make it better then the champions that weren't. League is about play and counter play, I played back in the open beta, before the pros and any of the competition. Ashe mid was amazing, Ezreal top worked. People see the "best players in the world" do something and think they can emulate it to be a better player. This thinking needs to stop, get comfortable with a champion or 2-3, learn that champion and the match-ups, choose a lane, learn your outs. Almost any champion can be played in any lane in the game. The meta only exists because bad players need help to not be as bad. start innovating again, stop dropping queue if a team member picks a champion that wasn't in the last major tournament. Thread posts like the above are just another pro guide following baddie complaining about something they are ignorant about.

DSRM MobiusDec 29, 20141 votes

totally agree with you dude I mean I use smite on zed mid and it totally works

SladeXDDec 29, 20141 votes

Redmercy vid? I thought about trying it as well.

DSRM MobiusDec 29, 20141 votes

yea its fun

RawrfulDec 29, 20141 votes

It is also important to note that people don't actually copy the pros. In LCS you often saw lane swaps and double jungles with support roaming. You would get called a troll so fast for calling top then following your jungle around and taking his XP (And ganking with him) before heading back top to catch the built up wave.

Jeddy017Dec 27, 20144 votes

Either way,it's something different than the usual. Personally,I'm okay with meta breaking fun.Don't care whether it works or not though.

kitcat300Dec 27, 20144 votes

I have played with two AP Rek'Sai now. Having one ability that has 100% AP scaling, doesn't make you an AP champ.

ThryaleDec 28, 20141 votes

It was played by high ranked players for a short time as well... Its really just something that barely viable and is just fun to do. I see no harm in playing it in normals.

kitcat300Dec 28, 20142 votes

They were quite dangerous at poking, but when it came down to team fights, they just fell flat.

BallisticMouseDec 28, 20143 votes

I've done a few good and a couple bad matches as Teemo support. Everyone seems to think it's a horrible idea.

harrothggarDec 28, 20143 votes

i went top yi today and i got raged at for doing it. by the end of the game i had 35 kills and the enemies raged about how i was a no skill champ and they dont play him caus he is too easy. u cant win........ u just cant

CoolKnightSTDec 28, 20142 votes

Why did they rage? Yi top is viable...

Duke AnaxDec 28, 20142 votes

More so than jungle actually

Rock RockburghDec 28, 20141 votes

Hell, some people insist on running melees in bot lane. (Saw one the other day. Garen. Eeeugh.) If you're gonna do it, Yi's your best bet. Someone up above said they play him mid, and was agreed with. Seems like Yi can work pretty much anywhere, really. (But please don't play melees in bot. Please.)

CoolKnightSTDec 28, 20141 votes

Well one of my friends plays Ryze in the adc position. I'm still searching a support that could support him well since dubble AP tend to work sometimes. I heared that Viktor could do the trick but I'm sure their are more.

You can basicly run everything so long your comp is ballanced out in the end.

WingsofGulgazorDec 28, 20141 votes

try veigar, the instant and long duration stun might work to allow ryze to output a lot of damage in the early lane before the enemy can do anything.

CoolKnightSTDec 28, 20141 votes

Hm, good idea

Evil JesterDec 28, 20143 votes

Boot Meta is OP meta XD

WingsofGulgazorDec 28, 20141 votes

lol I still want to try going something like caitlyn/janna lane and getting janna passive/movement speed quints and masteries + tons of attack speed and mayby some mana regain on caitlyn and start boots 1 and pots and poke the hell out of the enemy with your long range and speed.

Evil JesterJan 1, 20151 votes

that actually doesn't sound bad at all, i even have the runes for that now, i may try it

USG MortaDec 27, 20142 votes

sometimes it is the same thing. sometimes its not. there are no absolutes.

SachabotDec 27, 201412 votes

I think it's about the intent behind it. Do you have something that works for you? Play it. Are you here to fuck around and harass me? GTFO.

xaadus creedusDec 27, 20142 votes

Hey i'v seen a lot of Breaking the Meta, Like Leona Top, or Gangplank Mid Who cares if their trolls or not, sometimes it works.

SilverthaneDec 28, 20142 votes

Daily reminder that trying retarded shit like AP lucian, AP zed or AP yasuo is trolling. i dont have a problem with AP EZ, or AP Rek Sai, but shit that is extremely inefficient like that has no justification.