I think putting AD on dianas Q would help her put out more damage, i mean she can do damage now but I personally don't think diana is as strong as she truly could be. Her E does no damage at all. I think they should do something to her to help her do more damage. i'm not saying make her broken just stronger.
thinking man3 votesDiana's already strong right now.
Olympian961 votesI'm not saying she's not strong, I just think she has more potential to do more damage
67chrome2 votesI think putting AD on dianas Q would help her put out more damage, i mean she can do damage now but I personally don't think diana is as strong as she truly could be.
How would that help her do more damage?
Rabadon's AP bonus scales with AP, Lich Bane's burst only scales with AP, and Gunblade doesn't contribute to damage so much as it gives a cool active and sustain.
Also - just as Rabadon and Lich Bane don't scale with AD, AP itself doesn't scale with Crit, AS, Armor penetration, life steal, Hydra/Hurricane AoE, etc. Getting 80 AD + 120 AP doesn't give you more damage than 80 AD + 80 AD or 120 AP + 120 AP, the damage of 80 AD + 120 AP is pretty much exactly the same. And then the 160 AD or 240 AP guy gets something like IE, Rabadon's, Statik Shiv, Lich Bane, Last Whisper or Void Staff and they tend to get another ~160 AD/~240 AP spike on top of that, where with hybrid items you're looking at either 80 AD or 120 AP (or something like 40 AD+60 AP)
Adding an AD ratio would not allow Diana to do more damage. It would just make her like Akali or Katarina - completly indiferent to the fact she has an AD ratio, because it does nothing for her end-game scalings.
The only useful thing with split AD/AP ratios in a kit is when those kits do a mixture of physical/magical damage that basically says "you can't counter-build me in lane ever and I basically have a free Last Whisper/Void Staff if you try building MR or Armor against me". Extremely useful early, very useful mid-game, questionably useful late when you could exceed that bonus with actually having Last Whisper or Void Staff with other forms of penetration (still pretty useful end-game if you're a tank and actually need to focus on building tank items).
Her E does no damage at all. I think they should do something to her to help her do more damage. i'm not saying make her broken just stronger.
Abilities aren't created in a void, they're made in tandem with a champion's kit. Riot is well aware things like Yasou's Steel Tempest allow him to cast his ultimate.
Same deal with Diana - typical champion gains ~40 ability damage per level and ends with ~1000 QWER damage @18. Diana has 1100 damage in her QWER rotation, provided she unleashes 1 AA for her passive and casts her ult twice via the moonlight reset.
Which, for all intents and purposes, tends to mean having a no-damage ability actually gives you more damage, because you can max out your base damage in the QWE portion significantly earlier. In several cases it also means you only need to cast 3 abilities rather than 4, though Diana still needs to double-cast and land an AA, so she doesn't get that benefit of having her burst crammed into 3 skills rather than spread out over 4.
Anyways - you're ideas, when implemented properly in a balanced fashion, would actually cause Diana to do less damage rather than more damage.
Olympian961 votesIf they made her AP scale higher with adding the AD she could potentially do more damage. There's a lot more to it then this of course but Diana isn't as strong as she could be. It's hard trying to build AS with AP. Even if adding a little damage to her E would be better then it having no damage at all.
Wînter Fox2 votesWe have a grand total of about 3 real AP fighters in this game, and you want to turn 1 of them into another run-of-the-mill Triforce fighter?
Olympian961 votesIm just saying diana does not do as much damage as I think she could do, for her lore and character at least. Im not saying make her a triforce fighter or full AD char. And what about Vi, why does vi have to have AP on her E then? take that away.
Yulen Xoshxius1 votesThe best thing they ould do is make her as flashy as they can, then LCS will make sure she gets good treatment.
Also why AD? why not improve her AP scaling?
Olympian961 votesHow could they make her more flashy? and I think putting the AD will make her more versatile.
Yulen Xoshxius2 votesThey would not need to do much, her R already makes her decently flashy in my eyes. Perhaps allowing her to R to an ally or ward I guess. Mostly it was a joke.
I suppose AD would help as you can pair it with attack speed a bit better and even build BotRK with more advantage.
Olympian961 votesSee. It's hard to build AP and Attack Speed. I'm not saying make her an AD champ. Just make it so you can put some AD on her with attack speed.
LilxPaprika1 votesPlease check out my post on giving lichbane the ability to life steal It would work really nicely with Diana. As well as a slew of other champions
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XjExgYIz-licbane-the-return-of-the-now-lesser-seen-itemXjExgYIz-licbane-the-return-of-the-now-lesser-seen-item Please comment/upvote, worked hard on it
Just as trinity force works on some pure ad champions like jarvan the inverse can work on Diana with gunblade.
Olympian961 votesThat would be a good idea but some champs would become extremely OP so that would be very risking in doing. Couldn't hurt to try it though.
LilxPaprika1 votesCouldn't hurt to try it though. Praise you kind sir. I could not speak truer words. Trying it doesn't hurt anyone, thats what the pbe is there for. and seeing as how riot have proven themselves second to none at conceiving outrageously op champions at release, ahem rekt sai, thankfully as good as they are at creating these horribly unbalanced champions they are equally as good at eventually finding a way to tame them a few patches down the road. I'm confident riot can find a way to make a few adjustments to make it work. If it doesn't right off the bat (which i think it will tbh). This could preferably have an extended stay in pbe possibly until worlds are over. then add it to the game thereby injecting new life into the game, in time for the next upcoming tournament
Olympian961 votesExactly, do a weekend thing where they put AD on her and see if people like/dislike it and make tweeks to it to fit players demand.
LilxPaprika2 votesCouldn't hurt to try it though.
Praise you kind sir. Truer words; I could not speak. Trying it doesn't hurt anyone, thats what the pbe is there for. and seeing as how riot have proven themselves second to none at conceiving outrageously op champions at release, ahem rekt sai, thankfully as good as they are at creating these horribly unbalanced champions they are equally as good at finding a way to tame them a few patches down the road. I'm confident riot can find a way to make a few adjustments to make it work. If it doesn't work right off the bat (which i think it will tbh). This could preferably have an extended stay in pbe possibly until Worlds is over. then add it to the game thereby injecting new life into the game.
Olympian961 votesThank you for agreeing with me(: finally somebody who sees where im coming from!
ìnsane1 votesdiana's overall/total ap scaling of ~3.3 on all her abilities+passive (which on paper does the most dmg of all her abilities) is actually high compared to the average ap mage and somewhat on par with a burst mage (lb has ~3.76 but her most reliable burst combo to achieve that is mostly single target, while diana can potentially do more aoe with the ratios via her q and w if that makes sense) last time I checked. build full ap, she can delete most squishies so its not like she needs more scaling as far as ap goes or if they add ad scaling, maybe they might tone down her ap scaling a bit.
The hard part is reliably hitting the q first to output the full ratio for the double r, unlike lb regardless of her combo.
edit: wait im dumb, her r has the highest ap scaling at 1.2 if you get the reset. but otherwise, her passive has the highest scaling...also probably why giving anymore ap scaling on other abilites or even her e would be overkill, adding ad scaling would mean tonedown of ap scalings. and most times as a fed diana, things can feel overkill lol.
Olympian961 votesLike i said, its not like Diana is week, She just has the potential to do a lot more damage. She can't really burst though.
ìnsane1 votesLike i said, its not like Diana is week, She just has the potential to do a lot more damage. She can't really burst though.
uh... still kinda disagreeing
from what I'm getting from your opening post, you are suggesting addling an ad scaling on her q because it doesn't do enough dmg and her e does no damage? I'm p sure mostly everyone agrees if you build full dmg on her and land the q with her current scalings, its p much a death sentence for a squishy, so she doesn't need more dmg potential if you go the dmg (assassin?) route. The problem is that it leaves you quite squishy when her shield is down or if its not refreshed, so you have to build semi tanky (although funny enough building dmg on her also gives her a bigger shield and you're tanky that way)...but then u don't build enough 'burst' dmg to supplement her ap scaling for dat pure 100-0 potential.
if you're suggesting adding ad scaling for the sake of ad diana, then sure I guess that would please ad diana players. but rito might tone down the ap scalings to compensate.
At the end of the day, its just an identity crisis flaw diana is suffering in the current meta. riot needs to decide whether assassin burst diana is better or bruiser sustained dps diana is better. She used to do both on release but was nerfed for it...now she can't excel at either.
I have played her already a few games in ranked at high gold level (not all that high but probably around middle ground). most times when ahead on levels/items, I can burst down most mr-less champs - especially the squishy kinds with a full double r rotation.
Olympian961 votesHmmm... i think an AD diana would be fun, but I was playing a game and went 24/10 and as i was playing I could not do much without teammates. Idk if diana is just not a solo fighting champ or what but I had all ap damage items and was putting out nice damage but nothing to scary.
Purse Wayde1 votesLOL this is hard to read. Diana can absolutely burst. What you need to do is learn how to play/build her before posting here.
Check out my history with her. 7 and 1 in ranked solely because I know how to build her and how to BURST with her. She is absolutely a burst assassin. I guarantee people will come the forums crying after a katarina nerf about how strong Diana is WITHOUT any buffs.
Olympian961 votesThen don't read it?
mvargus1 votesLike i said, its not like Diana is week, She just has the potential to do a lot more damage. She can't really burst though.
This I completely disagree with. Diana can do a ton of burst damage if you set up your combo right. You just need to time things properly.
Diana doesn't need more damage on her Q. It isn't supposed to be for damage. It's mostly to mark targets so she can get her double R off. In fact, I often use her Q just to mark a target so I can use R and get the dash to it and reset R so I can use it again in the near future. The fact that her Q gives her an ult reset is very powerful if you plan correctly.
This is a bad idea you have now that I think about it.
Olympian961 votesYes it is powerful that her Q gives her ult a reset, but her ult is pretty much all she has, so if i can dodge that q its over for her. I think they should put a trial damage on her q or e and see what happens and make tweeks or get rid of it if people say its too op or shes broken or something
Purse Wayde1 votesthis is a brainless idea.
Olympian961 votesWhy/how?
Purse Wayde1 votesdiana is completely fine. any buffs to her will spike her into op territory.
Olympian961 votesIm not saying buff her a lot. just a few little tweeks and she'll be fine.
Purse Wayde1 votesI'm also going to state you are bronze 2. You're knowledge about the game is not high and in normals you play against and with Bronze 4's and 5's. Realistically I have a gold acc and a plat account and I know that is not diamond or anything, but having two accounts in gold or higher, I can tell you for fact I know diana is fine where she's at as I play her quite a bit.
There's no need to come to the forum to stir something up about diana.
Olympian961 votesI'm pretty knowledgeable about the game, just because I'm B2 doesn't really mean much. I'm a lot better then B2 I just got unlucky in my provisionals and got stuck with some pretty bad teams.
Anomander1 votesDiana used to be really broken and I mean like OP broken. On release her damage was only a little bit higher but proved to be too much for 90% of the other mid laners. She made the most powerful zed and kats look weak.
Since then they have reduced her damage and adjusted her shield. She doesn't do as much burst but she does have slightly better survivability with the refreshing shield. While maybe not top tier she is only a short step down and is in a good position.
The only thing I would want them to do to Diana is increase the speed of q ***very slightly ***as it is a little too easy to dodge.