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Dynamic Queue and why it is bad.

Illazuel··71 votes·3,906 views

  1. It allows for a false sense of skill for lower ELO players. It really is VERY easy to pick 3-4 champions that have synergy and just abuse that fact to take down someone 5+ divisions above you on the ladder. It doesn't mean you are better, it means that you brought friends. It's pretty much the same thing as when 4 gang members beat up on one helpless dude, it doesn't make them tough or even good fighters.

  2. It is driving away players. Eventually DQ will cause Queue times to go so high that even people who enjoy it will suffer ill effects from it. The longer it is active, the less solo players will play, until eventually they all go away and non premade games of league are a thing of the past, as well as starting a match in less than 30-45 minutes.

  3. It is allowing people to climb well beyond where they belong on the ladder. Making the competitive ladder essentially no different than playing blind pick.

  4. It is creating an environment where people will not want to play unless they have all of their buddies online, which will eventually lead to a smaller player base as people get tired of sitting around waiting for a group. (think world of warcraft before they put in raid finder) Sure, you can que up with randoms, but people will get really tired of doing so as they will be facing a premade most of the time.

  5. Any real, competitive, gamer is turned off by this. The only people who would support such a system are those who do not belong at the top and used unsavory means to get there. You are condoning cheating to win, and you know it riot. Karma is a bitch, and she will be paying you a visit.

  6. If people want to play with friends, there were already plenty of options to do so. This is just an effort to make bad players feel better about being bad and will result in lost business for riot. Ranked should be about determining individual skill across many categories, not just how well you can assemble a premade. Sure, teamwork should be PART of that but seriously basing competitive ladder on anything besides your solo performance is a joke.

TL DR: DQ is horrible and there are plenty of reasons why. Taking out duo queue and just having it be purely solo queue is a much better idea.

61 Comments

Karn Bishop10 votes

What i have found is no amount of logic and reasoning will work with dynamic supporters, we create large threads on why it is bad and even made threads on how to replace it with a system that is objectively better for both parties and they just do not care! they like being able to suppress solo players and the enjoy knowing that their existence destroys the competitive environment.

Reconnected6 votes

They want an excuses to feel good about their ranks they probably could not earn solo.

Mr Fidori2 votes

Which is funny, because I have a lower rank than I did in seasons 4 and 5, and I still don't have nearly the issue with it as some people around here.

Side note: I have no idea why I keep reading these threads -- they're repetitive as hell, and few make good points.

Illazuel1 votes

Yeah, you are probably right. Reason only works on the reasonable.

DarkRitual7 votes

First point is called strategy. Having cohesion and coordination is a skill. It's just a skill that was seen less in SoloQueue. Generate an advantage and you can overcome a difficult opponent? Surely this is a terrible practice to encourage for climbing.

FinalFlare11 votes

The point is that I, Silver 5 scrub, can 5 man queue with Plat+ friends on Bronze or Gold smurf accounts and get hella carried beyond my actual skill level group. That is the major flaw of DQ, alongwith alienating players who either prefer solo queue or those who just do not have friends who play ranked.

DarkRitual4 votes

I feel like that is more of an issue of smurfs than the DQ system.

FinalFlare13 votes

There will be smurfs no matter what, DQ just lets smurfs carry their wood tier friends to a much higher tier than they should be at, which in turn destroys the competitive integrity of a ranked ladder. If WoodTierBob only ever played with DiamondSmurfJane, PlatSmurfJoe, MasterSmurfLarry, and ChallengerSmurfMary and got to Gold 3, when he played like Wood 5, where is the point in even playing ranked when someone like that is Gold 3 at the same time as SoloedToGoldBill, who grinded so many games to get there from Bronze 5? Is WoodTierBob around the same skill level as SolodToGoldBill just because they are both in gold 3?

The reason I do not like DQ is that its it way too abuse-able by unskilled players who have high skilled friends queueing together, because smurfs exist and will always exist. A true competitively viable mode would be pure solo queue, yes you will still deal with smurfs but they will rise to the appropriate rank quickly, what you will not have is instances of WoodTierBob being in Gold because he would have to carry himself to gold instead of being boosted by smurf friends in a 3-5 man group. IT would literally show a players skill versus every other player in the queue.

Yes, LoL is a team game. Before DQ existed we had a queue called Ranked "TEAMS" where you could make a TEAM and queue up as a 5 man TEAM. If Riot really wanted to promote teamwork more they could have made the incentives of playing Ranked Teams queue more appealing, and promoted it more.

Finally, I really do not think that Riot can do anything to DQ to make it as competitively viable as a pure solo queue and create fair enough team orientated games like Ranked Teams queue.

VvVVvV1 votes

But it is the DQ system that allows it to happen.

At least with the old Solo/Duo que it was not as bad.

The most you would have to deal with was 2 smurfs....unless you was just lucky (if they are on your team) or unlucky (if they are on other team) enough to happen to get qued with 2 separate sets of smurfs which ive never seen happen.

Im pretty sure everyone here has won games against a team where somone on that team said a member of their team was a smurf. And im pretty sure everyone here has lost games even with a smurf on their team.

But the DQ system now allows you to face up to 5 smurfs.

OR

You could get what happened to me the other day where me and another person who qued solo had a 3 man premade of smurfs on our team who was just trolling and just ran around killing but would not push and would not try to win the game. Once we got to the enemies base they never crossed the river after that. The lee sin was 31-0-7 and after acing the enemy they would just go farm our jungle then sit in base so other team could push all their lanes. I was support...me and the adc tried to push and win but every time we had to back off because it was just 2 of us actually trying to win.

So yeah...the DQ system did not create smurfs but it amplifies their impact. its hard enough trying to get out of Bronze with all the BS that goes on in the game over petty shyt but now we have to add large groups of smurfs to the mix that come to troll and make you lose just to amuse themselves.

Dengeden1 votes

That's a major flaw with the current balance philosophy. In order to win, you need to use the strengths of your comp and the weaknesses of the enemy's. You can no longer camp someone and win the game off of their feeding (which is what you'd originally do to the silver Q'd with the 4 plats).

Shyvauni7 votes

I do nothing but Solo Que and I find this post to be entirely inaccurate.

Kedren Aderac6 votes

There is no soloQ anymore bro.

Shyvauni1 votes

As you can still Solo on your own yes there is. There has never ever in the history of League been a true SoloQ anyways. It was solo/duoQ. This has honestly changed nothing, I solo on my own and I have not felt that the game is worse off for Dynamic Que. Everything in the OP was not based on facts but based on what the OP assumes to be true with no evidence to back up his claims.

A premade of bads is still a team of bads regardless of any teamwork. Also if they are truly bad even being in a premade does not Garen tee teamwork.

Wimbledofy2 votes

if you're going to say there is no soloq anymore you might as well say there never was. Him saying he solo ques means he is queuing solo. League has always been solo/duoq not just soloq.

Mr Fidori1 votes

"I don't have a good response, so I'm gonna nitpick your wording."

spombjop5 votes

Dynamic Queue is fine, this new champ select is bad. LoL is a team game anyway so DQ should be prioritized over SQ. Overwatch also uses DQ. Queue times are long because of cancer solo players that don't want to support. We need old champ select with dynamic queue, that would improve experience for everyone and reduce queue times.

LatetotheRace13 votes

Let me just dismantle this real quick.

If it's a team game, then ranked 5v5s should take precedence over literally everything, but they removed it..... (obviously not about team play.)

Overwatch is not a competitive game in all reality, it's a fun cluster crap of fast and exciting gameplay with very little game progression that most mobas have. (See COD and TF2 love child.)

Queue times are longer due to the new champion select yes, but it's also due to the variety of skill levels allowed to queue up together, it strains the system when 3 g1 and 2 s5 queue up together. However they are also longer due to the system trying to find solo Q and duo Q players that fit the skill level required to fill in the gaps. (Without solo players 4 mans would be literally impossible.)

The old champion select was pretty damn toxic and riot even touched on that. that would infact not improve experiences, and there would likely be a superiority/aggression mentality in the lobby as premades will attempt to force solos into the roles they themselves don't want to play.

Sorry to say there are a plethora of problems causing longer queue times, and yes solo players are part of it.

lolptwo6 votes

{quoted}

Let me just dismantle this real quick.

If it's a team game, then ranked 5v5s should take precedence over literally everything, but they removed it..... (obviously not about team play.)

Overwatch is not a competitive game in all reality, it's a fun cluster crap of fast and exciting gameplay with very little game progression that most mobas have. (See COD and TF2 love child.)

Queue times are longer due to the new champion select yes, but it's also due to the variety of skill levels allowed to queue up together, it strains the system when 3 g1 and 2 s5 queue up together. However they are also longer due to the system trying to find solo Q and duo Q players that fit the skill level required to fill in the gaps. (Without solo players 4 mans would be literally impossible.)

The old champion select was pretty damn toxic and riot even touched on that. that would infact not improve experiences, and there would likely be a superiority/aggression mentality in the lobby as premades will attempt to force solos into the roles they themselves don't want to play.

Sorry to say there are a plethora of problems causing longer queue times, and yes solo players are part of it.

This is one of the dumbest posts i've ever read in regard to Overwatch. Sadly you're just a random person on the internet who will take no accountability when Overwatch Ranked system comes out, and I've made it to Diamond 3 in League and I can still see Overwatch being more competitive than this elo -boosting garbage system they have in place. I think you have it backwards, League is no longer competitive. Overwatch is more competitive. League is just a cluster fuck of elo-boosters Solo Carrying Silver/Bronzes to places they cannot reach on their own because in League there is no seperate MMR for playing Solo or Dynamic and it's easy to set up a team of carries. In Overwatch it you cannot boost because you don't snowball off kills, you literally HAVE TO PLAY AS A TEAM, also their system makes it so that if you do try and get boosted you're being judge as a team, not Solo.

PS: COD is one of the largest grossing ESports games of all times. If I say C9 doesn't have a League team, it doesn't make it true, because they're these things called facts in this world you know.

Sadly you don't realize pros don't even play Dynamic Q anymore, they are starting up their own server. It's that bad.

To the OP:

My advice is just leave the game, I stopped playing months ago and just come back to check if anything has changed. Everyone I know has quit as well. This post won't be higher rated like before bc most of the pure Solo players have quit the game. The longer this goes on, the less these posts will be upvoted about Solo Q. Eventually they will start being downvoted because the majority will turn into casuals. It started up being highly upvoted but as all the true solo players get weeded out the game will be about who can make the best team of people to carry them

FinalFlare4 votes

Just a small point, comparing an fps to a top down moba is lile comparing apples to orangutans. To say a system works for Overwatch so it will work for LoL is just faulty logic when the conditions to carrying and winning are vastly different.

The fact LoL has an economy in every game means that you both have to be skilled and have the better economy than the enemy team. Overwatch literally just requires skill and reflexes. Also you can switch character mid game in Overwatch, whereas LoL you are stuck with who you pick.

To say Overwatch is not competative is just plain wrong, closest game i can think of that is a serious esport that is somewhat comparable is CS:GO, and that is only because of the fps and teamwork they share.

Final note this is more a general response to the whole chain of responses, not just Aegon.

Wimbledofy2 votes

did you reply to the wrong person? he never said that since it works for overwatch it will also work for league. I'm guessing you meant to reply to LateToTheRace.

FinalFlare1 votes

Eh I tried to explain, that even though this is replied to Aegon its meant to tag on to his(AegonTheDragon7), SPOMBJOP, and LatetotheRace. They are all replies to what SPOMBJOP posted.

Bobloser35553 votes

If as many players have quit as you claim, I'm sure they would have reverted DQ by now, why would Riot want to lose so many players and consequently a lot of money?

doiminat0r36004 votes

New champ select is brilliant. Being able to pick your pick intentions and ban over 3 players is not a bad thing. The fact solos and parties are being matched together is the problem.

Just because overwatch uses it doesnt mean we want it. Moba =/= TF2 like gameplay.

Why do you say "Cancer solo players that don't want to support?" I wouldn't want to support you either if you start complaining about how river isnt warded 24/7 and you spam pings for me taking farm when youre not there.

If we got rid of dynamic que, it would reduce que times. Because we wouldn't have to be matched with a full party of everyone but X lane. The reason they are so long is because support role sucks. You can't carry and you have to baby your adc the whole game. Nobody wants that.

Shyvauni5 votes

I am main support and I solo as that.

Now as for things that drive people away from support- Support: goes to ward. Gets caught and realizes they asre not going to escape regardless so does everything they can to atleast stall out the enemy in the hopes a teammate can help. Adc:"What you think you can fight that?" or "What why you try to solo Dragon?" when in fact you were just warding and your sunfire set it off when you got hooked into the pit

Seriously I main support even through this simply becuase it is the role I enjoy most, but it does get extremely annoying when an adc blames you for their mistake or rages at tiuy when you go in and die but managed to save them. They then proceed to shove your score in your face cus your kill participation is low compared to theirs cus you save them hen THEY get caught out.

So I agree that Solo Players are not the cancer because they refuse to support. Perhaps it is the fault of people who as a premade decide to bash on the support who is doing their best to keep up vision/deny enemy vision all while trying to babysit the Diva of the team who can do no wrong ever.

Illazuel1 votes

Yeah i agree, i like the new champ select and everything, just REALLY don't like dynamic queue. Picking an OP combo with 2 of your friends and abusing it isnt skill.

dragon1xx1 votes

Getting a quick DQ game; A guide:

  1. Open DQ
  2. Click support as your first choice
  3. Click fill as your second choice
  4. Queue up
  5. Get into an under 5 min queue game How not to get a quick DQ game:
  6. Pick mid/top/adc/jg
  7. Wait for 5 hours
  8. End up as support anyways because of the autofill option after a long time of waiting. Why DQ is messed up.
spombjop1 votes

{quoted}

Getting a quick DQ game; A guide:

  1. Open DQ
  2. Click support as your first choice
  3. Click fill as your second choice
  4. Queue up
  5. Get into an under 5 min queue game How not to get a quick DQ game:
  6. Pick mid/top/adc/jg
  7. Wait for 5 hours
  8. End up as support anyways because of the autofill option after a long time of waiting. Why DQ is messed up.

That is because of new champ select, not dynamic queue and main reason why queues are so long are solo players that want to play only mid and nothing else.

Mandang01 votes

You have it backwards: the new champ select is a great addition that allows people to get the lanes they want and not get screwed as last pick in champ select. That's an obvious improvement.

Queue times are long because of players that don't want to support - solo or not has nothing to do with it. That being said, I am a solo who enjoys support, but I hate doing it in DQ, because it's a lane where I'm very often forced to play against a premade combo. Sure, this was a problem with duo queue sometimes too, but now throw on Riot's added focus on dragon and premade teams will focus my lane more than usual (and unfortunately I screw my team out of having a premade bot lane because I have the audacity to play as a solo support eye roll)

You know how else we could reduce queue times? Ditch DQ.

spombjop1 votes

new champ select is good only for cancer solo players that don't want to play supp. premades always have 1 supp ready

ofart5 votes

Preach it.

Even if everything was "fixed" and solos always had an equal chance vs premades, the system's still broken. A pure 5s player and pure solo player don't demonstrate the same skills. It's a different experience and I'm not even necessarily saying one is more skillful than the other but they do NOT belong on the same ladder. Averaging out ranking this way just makes it pointless.

I think DQ hurts up and coming players the most. SQ players used to really stand out and get noticed by teams. Now, not only are the top spots filled by those using DQ but the ladder itself isn't as trusted to represent talent.

Illazuel1 votes

Exactly, crap like this, and reporting people for saying mean things is why NA sucks so bad on the world stage. All of our best players have been banned due to trying to teach idiots how to play and getting frustrated.

Win1Ocent3 votes

My thoughts exactly.

billxx3 votes

Oh, an unoriginal and basic title. Oh yet another dq thread Oh look it's terribly written Oh look he hasn't fact checked Well the boards are in good shape

General Esdeath 3 votes

Then debunk it

Illazuel1 votes

Oh, an even more unoriginal post that has been made literally millions of times since the invention of the internet. Definitely should be talking about originality when you post something that is so tired it might as well be a meme.

billxx1 votes

Responding to dq threads?

TheDankasaur3 votes

I don't see anything wrong with it LeeSin

Twitch ADC3 votes

I get so sick and tired of going solo and getting matched with a trio team who is just "Having fun" like mother fucker I didn't click ranked to have fun i came to win. win rate dropped by 20% sitting at 57% so sad hurts to be the only serious player

Illazuel1 votes

yeah, i am really tired of that, and constantly playing with/against yasuo zed fizz elise lee sin vayne lucian EVERY FUCKING GAME

DrDiaga2 votes

Lol. So much bs in one post.

General Esdeath 3 votes

so much truth*

Sharks R Friends2 votes

Lucian Sorry, don't mean to keep STEALING the show...

Nicktoons1 votes

have they been deleting anti-DQ threads? because I've seen none in the past 3days. They have to be deleting them because its impossible for only one thread being about DQ

Mr Fidori3 votes

I'd like to hope it just means people have finally slowed down on posting them. But I doubt it.

Illazuel1 votes

They do delete, them, usually because people are so frustrated with DQ that they get toxic in their posts about them. Especially with how trolly this community is.

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