I constantly play with golds and plats in normals (they're my real life friends) and i hold my own (i'm bronze 5) but when it comes to playing my own elo, my teams are so bad that i can't carry to win. Another thing is when i do make it to B4, i get 10 LP per win, and lose 20+ LP per loss, so it literally makes it impossible. IMO, this is broken af. Thoughts on the ranked system?
Llanite1 votesTypical B5 has 500 MMR, if your MMR is lower than that, you get 10 LP and lose 20.
The solution is to win more to drag your MMR up.
If you can't carry a B5 game, your skill level is B3 at most. As G5, I can easily close a bronze/low-silver game with 20+ personal kills.
Watch Me Insec1 votesWhen you play hose bronze/low silver games, does your teams do good too? Cause when i play with plats and golds who know map awareness and proper rotations and positioning, it's not hard to have synergy among the team.
Llanite1 votesWhen you play hose bronze/low silver games, does your teams do good too? Cause when i play with plats and golds who know map awareness and proper rotations and positioning, it's not hard to have synergy among the team.
They carry their own weight in lane. In large team fight, not so much, but neither do the other team. They all lack the awareness and teamwork, which is why it's easy to solo carry.
Basically, low ELO puts more weight on personal skill (combo, evading, anticipating movement, dueling, etc), whilst mid/high ELO requires other "soft" skill (map awareness, communication, teamwork, positioning, etc). If you do well playing with your gold/plats friend, I'd assume you have the 'soft' skills but not very strong basics, in which case you need to re-train or perhaps create a ranked team and play support/tank.
TeemoJenkins1 votesYou're correct, support mains cannot carry, as supports cannot carry. In the games where you don't play support you don't do well. Looks like you need to work on last hitting (don't we all?) and smarter engages.
For a support main your warding is also... not great: http://wardscore.loltools.net/?name=ProteinFerDayz®ion=na
Ranked system doesn't appear to be the problem my friend. You've got some work to do.
Azeria20111 votesOh there is so much wrong with your statement. Support mains don't carry? I'm sorry but in the early phase the support is the one carrying the ADC. If the support can't do that then they are doing something wrong. ADC's can't win lane alone and most of the time they win it because of the support.
After lane phase its mostly the support warding the map and protecting the team through disengage, engage, or peeling. Supports build aura items to give defensive bonuses to their teammates. If you don't have a support who knows what their doing in a teamfight, chances are your team is gonna lose that fight unless everybody is well fed. Or if the enemy team is just bad.
TeemoJenkins1 votesOh there is so much wrong with your statement. Support mains don't carry? I'm sorry but in the early phase the support is the one carrying the ADC. If the support can't do that then they are doing something wrong. ADC's can't win lane alone and most of the time they win it because of the support.
After lane phase its mostly the support warding the map and protecting the team through disengage, engage, or peeling. Supports build aura items to give defensive bonuses to their teammates. If you don't have a support who knows what their doing in a teamfight, chances are your team is gonna lose that fight unless everybody is well fed. Or if the enemy team is just bad.
Please link me examples of supports carrying games in Bronze to show how my statement is wrong. S upports have the ability to contribute to the game, just like everyone else. But a support has more difficulty to actually carry a game - rarely will a support be top damage to champions which is how you carry games, by killing champions. Supports can create great opportunities with smart engages, good vision, and making great CC plays to allow the carry to kill people, rarely will you see a Tank support Carrying anything. AP Supports should never been #1 in damage to champs as they should be created the opportunities to feed the carries.
Azeria20111 votesDamage is not a way to carry a game. Postioning, peeling, smart engage and disengage, warding, objective control and so on are ways to carry a game. Actual carrying is not going to be an obvious thing when it comes to scores. Your adc, top and mid lane could have 25+ kills and still lose the game. Heck your support could have 25+ assists and still lose the game.
Also sorry but a tank support not being able to carry is false. If you have a tank support they are your engage (either secondary or primary) or peel. Most of all the primary way to carry is through objective control. You cannot win a game solely through kills if you never grab objectives.
Besides when in my post did I reference a rank division? Heck you didn't mention one in your original post either. You just generalized all supports as not being able to carry.
TeemoJenkins1 votesDamage is not a way to carry a game. Postioning, peeling, smart engage and disengage, warding, objective control and so on are ways to carry a game. Actual carrying is not going to be an obvious thing when it comes to scores. Your adc, top and mid lane could have 25+ kills and still lose the game. Heck your support could have 25+ assists and still lose the game.
Also sorry but a tank support not being able to carry is false. If you have a tank support they are your engage (either secondary or primary) or peel. Most of all the primary way to carry is through objective control. You cannot win a game solely through kills if you never grab objectives.
Besides when in my post did I reference a rank division? Heck you didn't mention one in your original post either. You just generalized all supports as not being able to carry.
Perhaps you should've read the OP statement at the head of this thread then, he's a Bronze stating the Ranked system is bad, I replied with things he needed to work on to climb. I didn't generalize anything, in this elo / mmr Supports havre larger difficulty carrying a game because they do not get the gold production to be effectively itemized, if you can link some Bronze V-I matches that show Supports carrying the match, I'd love to see them so we can help this OP improve.
Azeria20111 votesI know what the OP says. They never stated he was a support main and just because their in bronze doesn't mean a support main can't carry. All they need to have is good postioning, be decent at peeling when necessary, and make good decisions when it comes to engaging, disengaging, and objective control. Though I do agree that in Bronze it is very very tough to carry as a support but doable. Heck I myself managed to get from B5 to G5 last season solely supporting.
Somehow though when you assumed he was a support main you put last hitting as something to work on? Supports rarely need to last hit and last hitting is generally good for mid, adc, and top mains. Having low CS is good for most supports as long as they have a gold item. Your other pieces of advice were solid as warding and engaging is a big part of supporting. But it also depends on the champions they support with.
Such as a Leona needs to be aware of her adc's health and mana as well as where enemies are on the map before engaging. She'll also need to know if her adc will follow up when she does engage. Some matches though for Leona she'll want to counter-engage (Thresh, Ali, Braum, and Taric) rather than straight engage (Lulu, Bard, Nami, Soraka).
But anyway as per request here is the video link you requested. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krInt25GPhA](http://Video Link Brah)
Live2LetDie1 votesNot at all.. Your at 44% W/L so obviously you need to be at that elo, if not lower, so you wont have really good LP gains. Just looking at your profile i can tell you need to work on your CS on all your champs, ward more, stop getting caught. The game your in right now you have one of the lowest W/L ratios so if you blame others it will be ironic.