Azir interaction with GP barrels.

roppleDopple·Oct 7, 2017·29 votes·2,074 views

So I somehow haven't noticed until now, but since GP barrels are considered minions by League's code Azir soldiers can destroy GP barrels even if Azir is NOT targeting them. All he has to do is target something that places the spear on a path in which it intersects the barrel, which leads to Azir more often than not accidentally destroying barrels. There's no way this interaction is intended, and I really hope that it's patched out soon because it takes away a lot of the GP players counterplay. If the Azir had to be actually targeting the barrel to destroy it that would be way better. This is also a problem with Runaan's but to a much lesser extent.

25 Comments

SpideraxeOct 7, 20176 votes

Azir soldiers can no longer destroy wards after his rework on live

SalronOct 7, 20179 votes

I don't think barrels are considered wards by the soldiers

PoskeOct 7, 20171 votes

it caused spaggeti code

roppleDoppleOct 7, 20175 votes

yes but the barrels are considered minions by the code and are treated as such, meaning they can be struck and destroyed by azir soldiers.

SpideraxeOct 7, 20172 votes

I believe its an intended interaction as this interaction has existed since GP's rework

SchàdenfreudeOct 7, 20173 votes

wtf does this have to do with soldiers destroying barrels?

LegendmakerGXOct 7, 20172 votes

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wtf does this have to do with soldiers destroying barrels?

Well he plays GP and if a solider can destroy it from a range that is further then his 2 barrel then of course it will be a problem.

Sahn UzalOct 7, 20176 votes

Same for Twitch ult. It REALLY sucks. :/

roppleDoppleOct 8, 20171 votes

it definitely still sucks but it's not as bad. I guess it would be even worse if twitch ult is really weird because in some situations it isn't considered an auto attack and is treated like a skill shot. I have seen it not do damage to nexus because of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOG-FER3og

woodvsmurphOct 7, 20173 votes

And gnar can hop away every time renekton dashes to him - making renekton essentially have 0 engage potential unless he wants to all-in the gnar. This completely ruins early game bully potential vs a decent gnar player and gnar vastly outscales renekton at both teamfighting and splitpushing. Once gnar has frozen mallet and cleaver, there's about a 0% chance for renekton to win - even if gnar fails to hop away when renekton dashes in.

Sometimes a matchup just sucks - deal with it. GP is already a stupidly powerful champ with a spammable cleanse where others would need to sacrifice a summoner spell to get it. And tons of long ranged burst mid/late (spammable mid range poke early) for a MELEE champion.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 8, 20174 votes

You do realize his spammable cleanse makes up a huge part of his power budget? I'd gladly trade it for something else and buffs to everything else on his kit.

woodvsmurphOct 8, 20172 votes

You do realize like... he only needs mana for q harass which he more-or-less regens thanks to starting mana item (thanks to being a ranged "melee") and masteries giving %mana regen. Or that he gets like 30% more gold than enemy toplaners thanks to his kit plus masteries giving "melee" aa harass gold even though he hits with a "ranged" q. I mean essentially it would be like panth getting 8 gold for "doing a melee aa" every time he chucks a spear at you - just stupid. Back to the point though - your mana bar can essentially stay full despite q harass onto enemy. Your barrels don't cost mana. So literally the only way you deplete mana is by using oranges. So that's 280 mana plus whatever item 1027 (250) gives = 530 mana. 530/80=6.6. That means at rank 1, if you budget mana properly, you can use oranges about 6 times before going oom provided you haven't hit 6 and used ult before getting off a single base - yeah... I don't pity you at all.

But you lose every face-to-face trade? Yeah when the enemy uses an ability to dash/leap/spin to you. Leaving them 2 autos and 2 abilities to hit you with. You both do damage, you cleanse and heal a ton of it back, and kite away - they can't get on you again unless they have several dashes with independent cd's or charges on their kit (akali ult for example). Meanwhile, you can still spam q at them as they go back to the minion wave. Oh, and you were already far ahead of them in "trading damage" before the trade because... q harass. Once gp get's half his triforce, you can't even freeze the wave to punish him cuz barrels with just 1-shot clear half of it, repeat 2nd time and freeze is broken. And then there's all the extra gold he gets. Q harass from masteries, gold from kit, maybe gold from spellthiefs or cull or runes since he doesn't need standard runes to scale well. The free 1-2 kills/assists at level 6 without burning tp just by ulting bot in most games. It's like tf - he can miss a sizeable chunk of cs and still be even in gold with his opponent. Except gp scales better. But yeah, imagine that - it's all balanced and ok because IF he spams all his abilities (you shouldn't need oranges more than once every 15 sec or so - and that vs a very agro enemy laner with gap closer) he can run out of mana? Cuz no one else runs out of mana for spamming abilities lol? If budgeted properly, gp never runs out of mana until he's got enough gold to go back and buy an item/component that gives a decent power spike - making the back worthwhile.

roppleDoppleOct 8, 20173 votes

the cooldown is 20+ seconds with 15% cd level one and uses 80 mana out of a 282 mana pool. Keep complaining about windwall. Also he loses nearly every face trade until twenty minutes into the game.

I also feel like gnar is intended to directly counter champions like renekton where I don't feel like this azir thing is intended, azir also has a pretty good lane against gp without being able to kill barrel with soldiers, he zones you off your barrels really hard, same reason gp is really hard into ori.

woodvsmurphOct 8, 20171 votes

Wait... where do I complain about windwall? I'm confused.

Secondly - sure gp orange costs a bit of mana, but you also don't need to go doran blade, longsword, or doran shield or cloth armor like most people top. Second, you get 1.5% mana back via masteries. Thirdly, you only need mana for oranges and q harass which is more or less completely regenerated thanks to it's low cost and you being able to start mana item and the 1.5% mana back. Meaning - you only run out of mana if you spam oranges non-stop on cd. Barrels are literally free. Also, you never do a face-to-face trade as gp unless you know you will win - you play like pantheon and spam q from range... so that when you do have a face-to-face trade, even when the other guy wins the damage trade, you are even or ahead due to q ranged harass. Which btw let's you get a shit ton of gold cuz it counts as a melee - instead of only giving the smaller sum of gold for being ranged, it gives the full melee value. Combo this with gp's natural extra gold income and just trading farm means gp always gets more gold. So because people can clear his barrels from range and one champ can do it aoe if they perfectly line up their aoe aa we need to nerf that champ? No. That's just a gp player being a little crybaby.

Gnar is intended to counter melee champs - like all melee champs without spammable ranged harass (gp, panth). And gp wasn't intended for mid so uh... kinda same story as your argument for gnar vs renekton. Also, azir doesn't invalidate gp's strength at his supposed strongest point in the game while also being much stronger than him at every other point in the game. But that's exactly what gnar does to renekton. Thus, there is a champ imbalance in the latter case and something ACTUALLY NEEDING FIXING whereas your complaint is a mere inconvenience. And yet you don't see boards flooded with "buff renekton" posts or whatnot. Meaning basically you have no strength behind your argument. Sure it's annoying, but it's not something that demands fixing nor makes gp unplayable, nor invalidates him as a champ just because azir is in the game. Also... lucian or ezreal mid? They can aa probably 10x easier than azir and clear gp barrels to deny you and both are viable mid. And then there's always vayne or quinn top. But I suppose "that's part of the game"? Well, congrats, a skilled azir can do it while farming. So he's playing "the game" too. Get over yourself.

CatastrophicOct 7, 20173 votes

I really think they should remove his ability to destroy the barrels with soldiers, it makes the matchup a stomp. You may say that I'm biased cause I'm a GP main, BUT I'm also a GP main whose favorite matchups are Fiora and Riven

TheGreatNinxOct 7, 20173 votes

So wait... Does this mean he can ult your barrels back too?

TyrekGoldenspearOct 7, 20172 votes

Weird. I thought that was patched out since the rework so never tried to destroy barrels as Azir LOL.

SwiftKitten88Oct 8, 20172 votes

when Azir or Gangplank are meta... they are both op as fuck

but this is stupid..

also despite azir being one of my most hated champsion in game.. i LOVE his lore.

roppleDoppleOct 8, 20171 votes

I honestly don't think either of them should be meta, similarly to rengar or riven, they should easy to deal with unless they are played with a lot of skill. I feel like azir is in a somewhat similar position to zed when it comes to laning, he can use his e to escape(like zed w), or he can use it to engage and try to secure a kill(like zed w), but unlike zed he can also use his q to reposition his soldiers and get more damage. I wish his q would be nerfed in some way to compensate.

BlakiepugOct 7, 20171 votes

Why would you think this interaction isn't intended? Just because GP has a hard time into a specific match-up doesn't mean it is an error in coding. So it turns out Azir is a counter to GP, you need to learn to play around this match-up even if it means playing a little more defensively. Not every champion you face will be as easy to blow up as the others.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 8, 20172 votes

Tell me a good match up gp has? Yeah exactly. There is basically none.

Pacattack25Oct 8, 20172 votes

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Tell me a good match up gp has? Yeah exactly. There is basically none.

Fiora - you wouldn't think it at first but GP is really good against one of the most oppressive top laners out there... Barrel for zoning/damage, W when you need to GTFO, and q so you don't even have to be near her to farm... GP may not have very many great match up tops (even if you can play around some of his 'bad' ones) but even so - the fact he basically counters FIORA alone makes him at least viable...

TheBestFioraEverOct 8, 20171 votes

doesn't counter fio, i play both and if gp plays safe he will not die early but when fiora hits 2 items he can die easily, even under tower, or be dove by tank jg before fio hits 2 items. only if fiora plays it well and hits all vitals from ult though, because tri + youmuus is good damage

roppleDoppleOct 8, 20171 votes

I have actually had a pretty decent time laning against darius up to mid gold, but hey, it's only mid gold.

roppleDoppleOct 8, 20171 votes

I think it's unintended because it seems to take either very little or literally no effort on the part of the azir to destroy the barrels. 80% of the time I have seen it they do it on accident. I really hope that this isn't intended and is a design oversight that will be patched out soon, if it IS intended then I will just have to ban azir or split push hehe XD.