Why Do People On Here Refuse to Admit Kayle is Broken?

Vulkus I·3/29/2019, 3:12:10 PM·73 votes·21,177 views

Just about every post I see mentioning on how Kayle is overpowered/broken gets mass down voted for whatever reason, with most of the replies of people saying that "She isn't op her early sucks!"

https://champion.gg/champion/Kayle/Top?league=platplus Reality is, her early doesn't suck at all. She doesn't even hit below a 50% winrate at any point in the game, and only does in Silver and Gold.

https://u.gg/lol/champions/kayle/build/ And why don't you look at that, her stats are practically the same as Rivens when new conq came out and she became batshit busted. Seriously, 55% winrate, nearly a 13% pickrate, only one champion who has above a 50% wr against her (toplane), and quite a high banrate. Though the people who blindly defend her would be going crazy if it were a champion such as Yasuo who had the same exact stats. What gives Kayle a free pass?

121 Comments

Kaisha3/29/2019, 5:58:31 PM61 votes

The whole game is broken.

Mr Bob Boberson3/29/2019, 3:29:21 PM29 votes

Because wamen character can't be broken, Wamen character can't be an issue in game, Grrrrr

It's a joke, Dont crucify me

Minimac20003/29/2019, 5:17:54 PM29 votes

Because omg LS told me she was extremely weak and the only one to disagree was hashinshin so LS must be right and I'm a pro play meta only kind of soloq player in silver /s

Oleandervine3/29/2019, 3:39:20 PM14 votes

WTF you talking about her early game not sucking. The site you linked has a chart that shows her win rate being well below 50% on games that end before the 25 minute mark, and it escalates ridiculously high the longer the game goes on.

Her early game is trash. It makes her incredibly frustrating to play with. I don't give a rat's ass that her win rate spikes later. I think she needs her kit completely rebalanced to give her less of a parasitic relationship with her tower and jungler in early game, and less of a "I MURDER EVERYTHING" effect on her late game.

Ahri Baka3/29/2019, 5:18:54 PM9 votes

They are the same people who defended old Kayle , old Kayle was also broken but was item reliant This new one is straight Busted There is no fu@$#ing way in hell that Kayle ( a late game champion has 54% winrate and 14% pick rate in a game that doesn't even have late game anymore ) has such a massive winrate

Her early only sucks if you compare her to her late game FOR SURE Since her late game is straight Auto-win and if you lose then the player is either horrible or was just too unlucky

DeusVult3/29/2019, 9:04:13 PM7 votes

Because when she came out of her rework, she seemed very weak. People played her the exact same way that they played old kayle.

Then people became more practiced on new kayle. they adapted her runes, builds, strats.

But people were still stuck on kayle having a bad early game and just being a bad champ. Then in 9.5 Riot cleaned up 2 of her abilities (W and E) which really helped clean up the champs trading patterns, but they also nerfed her stats. Several top tier analysts (cough LS cough) who usually have knee jerk reactions to patch changes (COUGH LS COUGH) said that Riot was dumpstering Kayle while she was already in the dumpster. Which feeds into peoples already accepted bias of Kayle being a bad champ.

It turns out that all Kayle has to do in lane is spam E off of CD in conjunction with klepto and she gets all of the items/money that she needs to survive lane and even dominate some matchups. In some melee matchups Kayle even wins out simply because spamming E gives her klepto procs while also continuously hitting E's missing health ratio (10-20%)

ModRowanstar3/29/2019, 8:59:04 PM5 votes

Kayle has always been extremely powerful. Its her ranged auto ability that makes her terrifying to fight.

AirKingNeo3/29/2019, 4:21:10 PM5 votes

because the issue is Kleptomancy, not Kayle.

Abibyama II3/29/2019, 11:19:53 PM3 votes

Because she doesn't have a dash

Jerry SeinfeId3/29/2019, 5:22:18 PM3 votes

From what i've seen old kayle seemed alot more broken if she got to her lategame due to killing all 5 of your team before her ult ends.

Aside from that it's obviously klepto. like she did awful and now suddenly everyone is using klepto. I'm genuinly baffled that Dark harvest (my sweet, sweet dark harvest) got reworked into this empty shell if itself but that rune is still in the game. It's a mix between klepto ez and Viktor is suppose, she activates the ability triggering the proc like viktor but doesn't get the first part of the zappy stick.

Rock MD3/29/2019, 8:15:20 PM3 votes

The issue with NA and admitting Kayle is too good is that she plays a control-style in the early game (stall hard until your win condition is up). Therefore, they are innately biased against anything that is aggressive (which is why the least liked champions are unanimously fighters, bruisers, and assassins), and will defend control, utility-type champions to the death.

Salty Mc Feed3/30/2019, 1:47:33 AM2 votes

Nah Kayle is a bit too strong overall right now but I think the majority of League players hates champions that are weak early, because they tilt if they can't win lane immediatly so they dismiss Kayle as weak and useless.

On the other hand It takes a lot of dedication to trash a Kayle so hard in lane that she never becomes relevant, while you also have to finish the game quickly and I think what potentially tends to happens then is that you lose on the other side, dragons, bot.... so then Kayle gets time to come back anyway and the bot lane will just carry.

robotmaster3/29/2019, 7:02:03 PM2 votes

Because most people who play this game don’t know how to lane. Nasus players think they will get a free lane sometimes they do. It’s the same with Kayle.

Yara03/29/2019, 10:08:27 PM1 votes

Cause her early game is dog shit.

Thefrostyviking3/29/2019, 6:39:47 PM1 votes

Isnt the problem her using kleptomancy to get through her laning phase much safer than intended (potions&wards) while also getting heaps of gold to give her a much bigger than normal powerspike at 11?

Without it she´d barely be able to start doing stuff at 11 due to a lack of items/Gold, with it and the safer laning she is ready to go right away.

Pretty sure she isnt the first to do stuff like that, GP did something similar.

Agent Corgi3/29/2019, 3:56:43 PM1 votes

Maybe it's just me, but I don't even understand how she works. Whenever I see her in my games, she get's her wings clipped every single game & I have no idea what I'm doing if I'm the one playing her.