Viktor is absolutely trash right now

MouldyCheesePie··6 votes·2,712 views

Viktor has been in an extremely bad spot for ages now. He was chain nerfed around 4-5 times in a row. He has countless problems and I'm going to note down every one of his problems that I can think of. I've been maining him since S5, in EUW fluctuating between D4-D1.

His burst is worse, his poke is worse, his damage is worse overall (Deathcap and void staff price nerfs) because his items were nerfed.

He is simply inferior to Orianna/Syndra/Cassiopiea. I would rather take Brand or Veigar than him because he's so weak.

All his damage was taken from BURST and moved to DPS. There is absolutely NO SURPRISE in Viktor's kit. When he used to have good burst with E+R, you could surprise people from bushes or with flash and win a teamfight. Now you are purely reliant on hitting a good gravity field.

Then once he found strength again even after the Core nerfs (mana nerfed) and lucidity boots (used to be 15% cdr) and mastery changes (you used to be able to take 5% CDR in offence tree, then they added it far down and you had to choose between 5% CDR overcharge and penetration (unfortunately you have to pick penetration).** So basically they made it harder to get CDR on him,** he has way less mana to work with and way less damage because DCAP and Void are too expensive now.

He found strength with Rylais and a way to get over the fact that his burst was removed. Rylais was then nerfed.

Viktor's poke has been weakened. His E primary damage used to do more damage, it was nerfed and moved to the secondary. This would be fine, expect that the secondary part of the lazor now has a huge delay. So Viktor previously would hit harder with the first part of E AND the second part would hit OFTEN. Now you hit with a measly first part of E with no chance of hitting the second part. So basically, he was a psuedo-poke champion, now he can't be a poke champion.

The 1250g core costs too much. He's too susceptible to getting wrecked early. He falls behind worse than any other mage. Viktor's winrate with the Hexcore MK-1 is 17.19%!! He is so weak against being camped by the enemy jungler.

Riot decided to pigeon-hole him into being more of a DPS mage. He used to be a burst mage (E+R) with decent DPS (Q with high CDR) and good control (W). Now he's a mediocre burst mage with slightly better DPS (but not really because it's all delayed). Orianna can surprise shockwave (from bush, flash shockwave or just hide the ball) to catch people out. Syndra can use her stun to catch people out or simply flash R a priority target. Even Anivia can use her Q to catch people. Brand can use W+Q to catch people. Viktor has just no catch potential whatsoever (if you've ever played Viktor you know that W and Rylais aren't good enough). He is purely defensive and only works in comps where you have to kite backwards and the enemy chases you.

The best time to pick Viktor would be with a J4 and maybe a Gnar. Basically lots of lockdown. Viktor's combo may be good with J4, however Orianna/Syndra/Anivia/Brand would simply be better unloading their combo into J4's Cataclysm. So I see absolutely no reason to pick Viktor. He's a complete noob trap.

He has insane item slot issues. If you've ever played Viktor you'll know what I'm talking about. It's only gotten worst in the S8 preseason with Minion Dematerializer, Stopwatch, Biscuits and more. You've also got Doran's ring, Dark Seal, refillable potion, pink wards and the Core itself.So this is an issue in the early/mid game where you start finding yourself struggle to decide whether you can sell something for a pink ward, or sell your refillable.

The item slot issues persist into the lategame, where you have to sacrifice more than any other AP champion, item-wise. If we attempt to piece together a 6 item build... You have to get the Core+Boots, 2 Items. You need Rabadons (good luck affording this though) and Void Staff. That's 4/6 items. Now you can start looking at ways to get CDR, Movement speed, Health, resistances and MANA! I think I speak for most Viktors when I say that Rabadons is a distant memory of the past. You need to solve too many other item problems to even think about it. 40% CDR is also a dream from the past, yet other mages are able to achieve it with Morellonomicon.

His strengths are that he can seriously bully some champions around lvl 1-3 and that his lategame kiting is very strong. However you are still susceptible to just being burst down. When do you ever really see Viktor's running rampant and kiting/killing everybody? Other champions can kite nearly as well with Rylais and his early bullying is matched by Orianna/Syndra... Yet they teamfight better, are less susceptible to ganks, have better ults, better CC, have better itemization AND don't fall behind as badly. Orianna still provides crucial shields/CC and Syndra can stun and clear waves even when behind. If Viktor doesn't get his Core upgrade he's done for.

Not only is he outclassed by other mages but he also has bad matchups against assassins. Zed, Fizz, LB and Ahri (assassin?) can all seriously bully you around. once they hit 4. The main problem comes when junglers get involved. Viktor is really bad at 2v2s early. He also can't invade well or defend his jungler because his early CDs are high and he has mana problems.

You can't solve your mana issuse like the other mages can with Morello or Tear or RoA because you need to god damn core. I've tried Morello/Tear/RoA before and after the core and they all feel clunky because you are either left with NO CDR or no tankyness. Every other mage in the game can get their mana/CDR/tankyness sorted out in 2 items. Viktor especially needs the tankyness because of how easy it is for junglers to jump on him. Orianna and Syndra can get out of it in a pinch with shield/slow/resists and a stun respectively. TF gets to go RoA into Lich+Zhonyas, a nice well rounded tanky+CDR+damage+utility build. Orianna/Syndra get to go Morello into Ludens+Liandry, again CDR, tankyness, utility (grevious wounds, HP% shred) and mobility. Annie/Brand/Veigar can build Morello/RoA and achieve the same things. Even Anivia's itemization is better, she gets to use synergistic mana items which scale off of each other, they make her tanky, with tons of mana and good utility.

Overall the biggest problem he has is that he has no way to make plays. All you can do is sit back defensively and clear waves, whereas before you could burst people who got close. There is no reason to pick him over Orianna/Syndra, who have better burst, better DPS, less mana issues, better surprise-playmaking and better itemization. When you play Azir/Orianna/Syndra you can make a play to catch them out, Viktor simply doesn't have this available to him.

Oh and his winrate is 45.07% in KR. He is ranked 45/46. It's almost laughable. bare in mind that Viktor is a straight forward champion with little to no learning curve, unlike Orianna. So his winrate being this low is quite worrying.

++++Suggestions:+++++

  • I would suggest making his core 1000g again for starters.
  • [Crazy idea, will probably make some people disregard this entire post] Make his core not take up an item slot. This would make him have less item slot issues, better lategame. ++++++++++++++++++++++++

I just made this post because I'm quite jaded and am done playing Viktor now. It seems that Riot are not even aware of his current state.

11 Comments

Crystalysk3 votes

I feel you, played a Viktor game some weeks ago, couldn't oneshot anyone with QER until i got 6 items... Even though they had no mr.

Ahristocats1 votes

Rylai will probably get reworked during MYMU#2 and this will buff him

MouldyCheesePie3 votes

Won't be enough. He has too many other issues. They can't just leave his balance in the hands of Rylais.

Even if they make his core 1000g and they buff Rylais he will still be very bad.

Ahristocats1 votes

where did i say it's enough

i know it isn't, just saying that rylai being unviable was hitting viktor the most

morde doesn't care about rylai because he has a support bringing cc

I Am No 0ne1 votes

viktor is fine, he isn't supposed to oneshot people with one combo lol, its basically a poke champ

MouldyCheesePie4 votes

Except that it isn't a poke champ, his poke was hard nerfed. They nerfed the initial E and made the secondary effect not hittable on moving targets.

He isn't one shotting people but he isn't doing good DPS either.

So what does he do?

The Anagram King1 votes

I totally called this when the mage update happened. When RicklessAbandon shifted his kit to be RELIANT on Rylais + Damage over time, it was absolutely obvious that Viktor would end up in a bad place.

Now entirely reliant on defensive poke, he became a wave-pusher. And so they nerfed that because it wasn't interactive enough. And then they nerfed the core items he's forced to buy (either through price, or raw power).

It's absolutely insane. Solcrushed, when he reworked Viktor the first time, got it very nearly perfect. The BEST rework up until the Sion changes. And in one (minor) mage update, it was all turned to ash.

Lame. Very lame.

MouldyCheesePie1 votes

Agreed. I really can't believe they changed him from a traditional bursty-controlly mage, a one who was actually seeing success, into more about 'DPS'. Except they also lowered his DPS because you aren't going to hit those delay spells unless you draft a lockdown team comp. Even in a lockdown team comp, wouldn't Orianna or a champion with PRIMARY CC (Orianna/Syndra/Anivia/Brand/Annie/Veigar) be better? Rather than one who must rely on their team to lock the enemy down. Ori/Syndra/Anivia/Brand etc. can lay down the AoE but they can also help start the wombo-combo..

I think it's clear to see that Riot looked at Viktor and felt that he did everything. Oh, he is long range, bursty, DPS, control mage, "safe" (he was never even close to being safe in solo queue with Blitzcranks/Leonas running around). Can't have that. IMO he was just good, not OP, he could've been nerfed with ratio changes or extra mana gating. Instead of changing his shtyle...

The thing is, Viktor has been a complete noob-trap for a while now. He was far under average for the entirety of season 7. I cringe when I see people pick him because he's just bad. A husk of what he was in season 5.

I just want to reiterate how reliant Viktor is on Rabadons+Void Staff. The price hikes really, really, really hurt him.

The Anagram King1 votes

I honestly stopped building him solid AP burst after the RicklessAbandon changes. I went heavy hybrid + mana. Muramana, Trinity, Archangel, Rod of Ages, Rabadon. Made his shield strong enough, that he could survive fights. Made his damage sustainable enough, that he could do what the changes were supposed to make him do.

It was still kind've lacklustre, but I saw more success. And it was gimmicky, which was neat.

The new mastery system sort've ruined that. I can't even bring myself to want to play him anymore. It's awful - I've been "main"ing him since release.

I've no idea what they were thinking. They fixed him with that first change. It was good. They had already SUCCEEDED. It's kind've demoralising. =p

Shatter the Sun1 votes

Hes a JoAT. He is good at something over the others which is pushing. His kit just doesnt make sense though. His Q is melee range His E is syndra range His W implies that there is something keeping them in it for the stun to work His R ticks every 2.5 sec and just walking away reduces it's effectiveness. At a certain range it doesnt get faster so whats the point of being able to redirect it when it's life time will be used trying to move it to the next target

What they could do is: Low the item 3196 cost 1050 or even 1100 would be fine. watching your opponent come back with item 3802 while you are at 900 gold is saddening. Revert the Q and have it scale with level. Revert his E and lower the ratio and tie the removed ratio to his augment. His W needs a stronger slow or some sort of interaction with his abilities. Something like if they are in the field and are hit with an ability it applies a stack. R is fine but needs it's speed increased. Increase the return speed and give the R a similar mechanic like W where if they are hit with an ability the the time on it can be increased or it is hasted.

MouldyCheesePie1 votes

I agree his ranges are all over the place, but that gives him a distinct feel.

1050 sounds reasonable for the core.item 3196 Agreed, Morellonomicon outclasses the core at every price point, not only at the lost chapter but also once finished.

item 3165 Cost) 2900g AP) 100 AP Mana) 400 CDR) 20% Extra) 20% Mana back from takedowns Extra) Grevious wounds

item 3198 Cost) 3000g AP) level 10: 100 level 16: 160, level 18: 180 AP Mana) level 10: 250, level 16: 350, level 18: 450 Mana

So the core is quite clearly worse than Morellonomicon, which although it provides less AP in the lategame, provides so many other things (including massive mana regeneration, grevious wounds and TWENTY PERCENT CDR, oh and a better build path) that it simply outclasses it. It's also simply not just Morellonomicon being OP as many think, RoA also outclasses the Core.

Onto RoA item 3027 RoA is also a scaling item to can be more easily compared to the Perfect core since they both scale up with Mana/AP. RoA doesn't care if you fall behind and keep dying (and stay behind in levels), it scales with minutes, unlike the Core which requires you to level up. Again, a 'behind-Viktor' is a 'more-than-useless-Viktor'.

item 3027 2700g AP) Base 60, 5 minutes: 80, 10 minutes: 100 AP Health) Base 300, 5 minutes: 400, 10 minutes: 500 HP Mana) Base 300, 5 minutes: 350, 10 minutes: 400 Mana

item 3198 3000g level 10: 100AP, level 16: 160AP, level 18: 180AP level 10: 250 mana, level 16: 350 mana, level 18: 450 mana

The Eternity passive from Cataylst is invaluable to mages who have no healing or no way to get lifesteal like AD carries. It's a shame that Viktor cannot easily opt into this without sacrificing an item that he has to purchase to get his full abilities...

Basically you have this issue where all of the premier mage mana items (Morello, RoA and Archangel's) give some form of mana regen. Riot removed item 2004 and item 1056 stacking. This leads to Viktor being OOM all the time. Those items all provide some huge form of utility.

I agree with a lot of what you say but also disagree with some parts. I think the only thing needed to 'fix' Viktor would be bringing his burst back. Reverting the Q to scale with level would just up his overall damage and DPS throughout the mid game, but as long as Viktor has these extremely telegraphed delays on his E and R he's going to be too team reliant. If Riot want Viktor to function as a team play champion then his kit needs to have a shield or something to promote cooperation.

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