Please give Shen another rework...

Taka sensei 93·6/14/2018, 7:18:23 AM·2 votes·1,411 views

Shen

-He is supposed to be a ninja but hes extremely slow and his attack speed is terrible -His farming is an absolute chore without tiamat and can easily be outfarmed by most toplaners -YOU CAN LITERALLY MISS FARM BECAUSE MINIONS BLOCK HIM -Can also be poked out of farming very easily -He has no other tools besides his sword with a momentary block, and no ranged abilities, even though most tanks/divers AND juggernauts have them. -Engaging with his dash means almost sure and sudden death in a team fight and is only good when you get enemies alone despite being a tank. -He would make more sense as a bruiser/assassin because of his dash but he has no real damage to play him that way and no real lethality, i cant count how many times other champions have gotten away at 1-5% health!!!

-His ultimate is useless in most situations because it means teleporting into almost certain death and takes too long to channel to be effective

He is outmatched by nearly every top lane champion and has no clear build path and no scaling damage really.

Solution?

  1. Make his sword a grapple that pulls enemies instead of a slow (or knocks them up if they're close)
  2. Increase his movement speed and attack speed
  3. Make damage scale with his health +4 AD for every 100 Health
  4. Make his dash stun for 2 seconds instead of taunt
  5. Remove his block altogether and turn it into a counter attack like fiora
  6. Come up with some other idea for an ult ..or any compromise on the above, he literally NEEDS a rework to compete with other top laners/bruisers

13 Comments

Lintu Puck6/14/2018, 7:36:15 AM2 votes

Shen is and has always been about patience and balance. He is not an outright killing ninja.

Warlord Rhinark6/14/2018, 7:56:12 AM2 votes

-He is supposed to be a ninja but hes extremely slow and his attack speed is terrible

First off, his E actually allows him to traverse the map rather easily. I don't think he's slow.

Second off, Ninjas aren't machine guns, okay? They use precision strikes that hit the target the hardest. They're assassins.

Plus, you can always just take Hail of Blades in Domination and you sucessfully land a E + Q you get fucking sick nasty amounts of attack speed.

-His farming is an absolute chore without tiamat and can easily be outfarmed by most toplaners

Just buy a damn Tiamat. It isn't that hard.

-YOU CAN LITERALLY MISS FARM BECAUSE MINIONS BLOCK HIM

This happens to everyone. Not just Shen.

-Can also be poked out of farming very easily

Buy a Doran's Shield and take Second Wind along with Revitalize in Resolve. Problem solved.

-He has no other tools besides his sword with a momentary block, and no ranged abilities, even though most tanks/divers AND juggernauts have them.

He has a dash you damn goon.

-Engaging with his dash means almost sure and sudden death in a team fight and is only good when you get enemies alone despite being a tank.

Yeah this is kinda true. Shen gets blown up way too quickly.

-He would make more sense as a bruiser/assassin because of his dash but he has no real damage to play him that way and no real lethality, i cant count how many times other champions have gotten away at 1-5% health!!!

Yeah he'd probably make more sense as a Bruiser/Assassin thematic wise but it kinda strides against his lore.

-His ultimate is useless in most situations because it means teleporting into almost certain death and takes too long to channel to be effective

Yeah ultimate feels really bad to use. Most of the time, people die before you can even get there. A buff to the shield would be nice.

He is outmatched by nearly every top lane champion and has no clear build path and no scaling damage really.

Yeah because he's not supposed to deal damage. He's a tank after all.

  1. Make his sword a grapple that pulls enemies instead of a slow (or knocks them up if they're close)

No. That's stupid.

  1. Increase his movement speed and attack speed

No. He's fine when it comes to that.

  1. Make damage scale with his health +4 AD for every 100 Health

His E's damage already scales with health and since you almost always buy a Titanic Hydra I don't see why he should scale with health even more.

  1. Make his dash stun for 2 seconds instead of taunt

No that ruins the champions whole identity and makes his W useless.

  1. Remove his block altogether and turn it into a counter attack like fiora

Eh. I don't know. His W does feel kinda underwhelming.

  1. Come up with some other idea for an ult

This I will not stand for. This has been Shen's signature move ever since he was released and if you remove it I'll get really mad.

What I propose instead is a Shen revert.

His Ki Strike made him able to compete with other top laners, just like you want. It also scaled health into damage, just like you wanted.

His Vorpal Blade felt really good and actually made Shen support viable. It also makes him able to compete with other top laners, just like you want. It's also a ranged ability, just like you wanted.

His Feint was easy and simple, unlike Spirit's Refuge which feels rather clunky and useless most of the time since it only works against auto attack reliant enemy team comps.

The damage reduction on Shadow Dash also helped against being blown up immediately. It also, helps him compete against other top laners, just like you want.

And finally his ultimate had a set amount of shields it gave the target, regardless of their missing health.

#SHENREVERT2K18

Taka sensei 936/14/2018, 9:03:56 AM2 votes

https://gyazo.com/16aa15708bbc45d4db12d57146afe5f2 Thats a 43% chance of winning lane/game, the odds are beyond stacked against Shen players

The Ecdysiast6/14/2018, 8:55:32 AM1 votes

His main problem is that they claim he's a ninja, but none of his attack animations show any sort of martial skill and his abilities don't follow the theme of a ninja, even if you stretch that theme to include naruto lightning shuriken for Kennen.

YoshidaKagami11/28/2018, 1:46:00 PM1 votes

Tbh i don't think he's need rework, maybe ppl just miss old mechanics, I dunno but, he's great top laner with abilities to duel and help teammates. He's don't have range abilities, but it is must to be for all heroes.

His q give u shield proc who's taking any poke, atk spd boost, %hp dmg, and solid slow

His w block AA and any AA based skill like nasus q, it's great for trading with most aa champ if used in right time. It's also can safe u teammates from adc dmg for whole 1.75s!

His e is long dash and taunt, what apply tower/minion agro, u can't dive him under tower even if low hp cuz him w+e+passive shield

His r allow him to leave him line, go fast to your teammates, change 1v1 for example to 1v2 situation and then u can use to to come back (just use it like tp instead life save if u think teammates can't hold it even if u shield them)

Hes not bad right now, he's role is just to safe teammates, taunt and reduce dmg in tf, but still he can duel especially with hydra +grasp in runes and deal shit tones of dmg being tank in same time :D

D0GGO6/14/2018, 9:39:36 AM1 votes

He has the easiest farming mechanic in the game with q

KlydeFrog6/15/2018, 11:51:28 PM1 votes

Only buff he would need is chamging his q to do the champ hit aa buff to just giving anytime he calls his q he gets it. I rush sundire cape

Cowgirl Ed6/14/2018, 8:53:56 AM1 votes

Just revert him, champ feels like garbage sadly i miss his old walk animation ;_;