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WTF is going on with Shaco???

QuartzGolem·1/19/2016, 11:30:16 PM·1 votes·643 views

Now while I've never really paid much attention to Shaco over the years, I do know that he hasn't received any major update in awhile. And as a result I am a little concerned with the way he is and why something hasn't been done about him yet. The fact of the matter is that his entire kit allows almost ZERO counterplay. With his boxes and his, multiple blink moves. and invisibility, there is just no way to keep a shaco from getting the jump on you and picking up a kill. Another thing I have noticed is that multiple abilities of his scale either 100% with AP, AD, or both. This is just ridiculous, something needs to change with either scaling, or his kit. Judging by the lack of attention paid to this matter, if any update does happen, it will be the ridiculously high value scaling because of Riot's habit of just changing numerical values to fix all of its problems. Another issue with the invisibility is the fact that it lasts 3.5 seconds, and does not even give a proximity warning like Rengar or Evelynn. Currently you can build him any way you want, max any ability first, and dominate the jungle and win every fight you start. With his invisibility, and box cc, there is a long period of time where you cant even target him. You try to buy wards to get good jg coverage? Nice try scrub, bypasses all of them while invisible and picks up an easy kill. Either something changes or its going to get worse.

TL;DR Shaco OP Plz nerf.

16 Comments

Tohob1/19/2016, 11:49:13 PM2 votes

i still assert that Shaco has the most overpowered and overloaded ability in the game. he has a blink that also grants stealth for 3 and a half seconds (AKA a third of an eternity in league time) and it also gives him a guarenteed crit on his next attack. all wrapped up in an 11 second cooldown.

Ezreal has an ability that does one of these 3 things, and it's on a 19-13 second cooldown.

Khazix also does one of these 3 things, twice, still adding up to a lower stealth duration, and it's on a 100-80 second cooldown

ModKnightsKemplar1/19/2016, 11:42:23 PM2 votes

He's not OP.

You are correct that he does not have a lot of counterplay, but the difficulty in execution on the Shaco's end and his precipitous falloff late game counter that. By which I mean, he doesn't automatically win games with that kit, obviously. Is he fun to play against? No. Is he healthy for the game? Arguably, no. But that's very different from being OP.

In other words, while the nuts and bolts of your comments are true, the data about whether he is OP directly contradicts your conclusion. He has a sub 50% win rate (48% on lolking). He needs an update. But OP? Definitely not.

undesirable team1/19/2016, 11:31:20 PM2 votes

item 2043 better nerf irelia

The Bearded Bard1/20/2016, 12:03:22 AM2 votes

Oh come on. No counterplay?

The Q lasts 3.5 seconds, that's enough to sneak up on someone, that's not enough to bypass the entire warded jungle. Not only that, but it does give you a warning. There's a poof of orange smoke from where he casts it that can be seen through the fog of war. There's your warning.

The W has a TWO SECOND DELAY. I'll repeat that: A TWO SECOND DELAY. On top of that, it's one shotted at nearly all points of the game, two shotted early game. They are also deactivated and revealed by the upgraded red sweeper.

The E is targeted damage and the passive is pretty great, but the base damage is low (50-210) and the bonus damage is AP (not going to be used at all in an AD build) and BONUS AD (Not going to be used at all in an AP build, also doesn't help early game at all). What I'm trying to get at here is that it does no damage early on.

item 2043 Stick one of these down late game and he can't assassinate anyone which makes him more of a burden to his team than to yours.

item 3364 Grab one of these and he now can't escape.

And finally, he is extremely squishy and has no defensive options aside from deception. If he just pops up in your face, KILL HIM. The biggest problem people have with facing Shaco is that they run away instead of just fighting him, which, news flash, only makes him do more damage.

Protokai1/19/2016, 11:39:12 PM1 votes

item 2043 ward somewhere were you can defend it item 3341 useing this disables shaco boxes i use it against the top lane shacos who always put them in my bushes and since i like rengar top i needed to find a way to fight it so this is what i came up with i dont lose to shacos anymore and they dont touch my bushes no more :D

Underworldvisito1/20/2016, 3:17:28 AM1 votes

Ready for this? PINK WARDS!!! Jk of course wards don't help, we use locked screens the whole game and don't pay attention to spending gold in vision. Ewwwwwwww. But really, you can beat shaco with an easy pink ward, place it where he usually comes, then burst him down before he knows it.

Nekusen1/20/2016, 3:11:41 AM1 votes

Shaco becomes useless in the late game.

The counterplay is learning how to tell the original from the clone, deal with boxes as you do with teemo's shrooms.

Now, Leblanc is actually a problem now.