Thanks so much for these new Juggernaut changes.

IiIlIlIiilIllIil··35 votes·1,532 views

I love having less and less champions to play top lane because Riot's rework team has no idea what game they're even working on. I love how all feedback will be ignored because the rework team knows best. I love how they constantly fail reworks but then when they get the rare rework that's okay they use it as justification for why they don't make mistakes.

Promote the idea of a role that's meant to have the champion be slow yet strong? Better pick the champions that don't fit that role at all and try to force them into it. Garen needed to become faster and now you're saying that he must be slower because you stole SMITE's idea for a champion passive and made it horrible? Darius doesn't get an indicator when you made executing people with his ult mandatory?

Anyone that plays Darius will tell you that you often do not wait for the ult to be able to finish them off before you use it. You also don't aim for max bleed stacks because Darius cant keep many popular champions near him for an extended time. So why is it that you think you'll make the champion more enjoyable by removing his options and instead saying get 5 stacks and kill people with your ult or this is going to be one of the worst champions in the game. His Q has a fucking delay? Do you even understand that Darius already had to work with getting people at the outer range of his Q to have it deal proper damage? Do you know that only happens by being reactive on the position of the enemy? You seriously think Darius is going to waddle around trying to keep a champion at a range where he cant hit them and let them attack him as much as they want? Fuck you.

I could talk about the other champions, but let's face it nobody seriously thinks Skarner or Mordekaiser are going anywhere other than the trash bin. You cant change a champion from early game to late game with number tweaks. You cant change a champions lane simply by forcing them into that lane and expect it will work.

Congrats on killing 4 champions in one blow. At this rate Nasus will no longer have Wither and his Q will only stack on monsters because you feel he should be forced into the jungle. I don't even know why this forum section exists. The only time where I've seen Riot respond to feedback about a champion rework was when half the community wanted one of their members to be fired for suggesting that Rengar doesn't need stealth to be Rengar. Riot members still defended that and talked about how fun Rengar was to play in their tests. I could kill people as AP Alistar if there was a big enough gap in skill level or we both just really sucked at playing the game. However it would be foolish for me to imply that my limited experience with AP Alistar was evidence to the game play being successful.

18 Comments

UltraSceptile9 votes

They already said they don't listen to balance feedback on the PBE. It's used for bug testing.

Then you take a look at azir's release and then wonder how the fuck they managed to become pretty much the biggest online video game company in the world.

Retillin1 votes

Yeah "bug testing". It's why Fiora was disabled the moment she hit live...

MintChipHomieLix7 votes

They don't have quality testers and whoever is balancing this game needs a psyche eval.

Thairn2 votes

There's the public beta. If you get in on that I think they care about your balance opinions more.

MintChipHomieLix3 votes

Yes the PBE which is a vacuum when it comes to data. The PBE players and I know several don't take playing on PBE seriously at all. So taking champ information from that is kind of worthless.

Retillin2 votes

Yes, this is true. But people take the PBE less and less seriously every patch cycle after their reports and feedback are ignored.

MintChipHomieLix2 votes

I can't fault them for that at all. It is frustrating to just be ignored.

Ecodeath5 votes

Tbh i dont think they graduate high school

apunasatapulobin4 votes

Yeah, I think all of these changes are pretty horrible to be honest. Except the ghost dragon on Mord, I think its kind of nifty. Everything else seems really bad.

46104328_DEL4 votes

I agree guys. Riot has done amazing by me! Now I don't have to worry about wasting my time or money on them ever again!

ZombeezyJeezy4 votes

It's like they don't actually play their own game.

Only Play Darius3 votes

The Darius Q delay is really what pisses me off. Yes I understand that an instant-cast AOE nuke was part of the reason he was obnoxious to lane against, but this isn't how you fix it. The delay is massive, and to top it all off they nerfed the damage. It was hard enough to land it against anyone above bronze because they are usually smart enough to simply stay away from him, punish him for missing it, and trick him into pushing the wave HARD with it. Now it's going to be absolutely worthless.

Also, they specifically said they want him building more tank. If I wanted to play a tank, I would have picked a fucking tank. I play Darius because I want to be a damage dealing badass, and the only reason I build any tank items at all is because anyone with range or CC can fuck me up otherwise. If I wanted to tank damage for my team then I would have picked one of the many champions that do the job 10x better.

Orangesilk2 votes

These changes are all very interesting (except Garen, sorry there bud) because they force the team to be an active part of this champions kits.

Darius now has an outright scary damage potential if he manages to stack his stacks, that's awesome, how do we do that?, with high CC lockdown junglers OF COURSE. He will be a force to be reckoned with in teamfights, hard to kill, impossible to leave alone, and with CC support, outright godly.

Skarner, while his buffs could use some tweaking and range, the idea that if the team works together to keep the rocks under control, they get this outstanding monster of objective teamfights, I like the sound of that. I'd have the buffs give him MS so he can do his damage reliably, but overall nice concept.

Morde... He's amazing, his Q got SO MUCH DAMAGE now, it's ridiculous "But how the hell will I land it?" Once more, with help from your team, in this case a particular teammmate, a teammate with cc, a teammate with cc who lanes with you but doesn't take your exp or your farm. Yes, Morde can work really nice as a botlaner "But Morde is shit and ADC's are mandatory!!" Yes, of COURSE, Morde is all about early dragon control in the botlane, your actual ADC can go farm it up in the midlane or something (Tristana is wonderful for this, added bonus for absolutely wrecking tower if the enemy midlaner recalls or roams).

Ungrateful Thug1 votes

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These changes are all very interesting (except Garen, sorry there bud) because they force the team to be an active part of this champions kits.

Darius now has an outright scary damage potential if he manages to stack his stacks, that's awesome, how do we do that?, with high CC lockdown junglers OF COURSE. He will be a force to be reckoned with in teamfights, hard to kill, impossible to leave alone, and with CC support, outright godly.

Darius is already easy to kite and with the armor nerfs he's going to be even easier to kill now. They removed all of his dueling power in lane in favor of making him a kill steal bot. His specialty is that he is a champion that cracks tanks and can also blow up squishies for being out of position. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to get 5 bleed stacks in a team fight even on a single target, and now it's going to be made even harder because they are nerfing his AS per level and making it so that the inner edge of Decimate doesn't add hemorrhage stacks. Now all he'll be good for is kill stealing. Champions like Jax, Riven, and Irelia can basically just afk in front of him in lane and Darius will be dead by the time he ever reaches 5 bleed stacks.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

Yay can't wait to see assassins back in top lane now. Because I haven't seen enough of Riven yet.

Stevev451 votes

"We don't like to nerfs champions strengths, and buff their weakness"

Except for power cures on champion reworks apparently.

LoL Ergo Urgot1 votes

I thought the post was just going to be "said no one ever".

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