I don't know if this is intended behavior or not but it doesn't seem very fair. Any other jungler that kills krugs along with the little ones gets 160 gold and a total of 400 exp at level 1. Ivern gets 80 gold and a total of 280 exp at level 1. I'm wondering if this is intentional.
Marshbouy19 votesthat's a huge issue.
The Deckowner13 votesIvern doesn't spend extra time to clear the later-spawning krugs while others do, so he shouldn't get the extra gold too.
Marshbouy6 votesExcept, uknow, it takes him essentially 40 seconds to clear it.
PDD LAISI7 votesHe does have smite to take the time down, but he's always had that capability (to not spend extra time and still reap the same rewards that other junglers do). It just doesn't feel right leaving poor Ivern out like this.
Erockandroll2 votesHe does have smite to take the time down, but he's always had that capability (to not spend extra time and still reap the same rewards that other junglers do). It just doesn't feel right leaving poor Ivern out like this.
OH GOD,
It just occurred to me that the ability to clear a camp instantly like that, Might just make him one of the best invade Junglers.
Flawless Fetus1 voteshe is. It's retarded. You cant stop it. I was jungle and he came and popped a squat right next to my blue. I tried to fk him up, but he just smited it from full hp and flashed away. Lol.
The Deckowner22 votesit takes him that amount of time to clear every camp.
Krugs were goven extra rewards because they take forever to do compare to other camps, this extra effort doesn't apply to Ivern. so it shouldn't give him the extra reward.
I have nothing against Ivern, just stating logic.
ChaoticPinecone9 votesBut there is an inconsistency in logic here.
If Ivern needs to exert the same amount of effort for each camp, that means he is spending extra effort on some camps (Wolves/Raptors) which other junglers do not spend. Youre taking away extra rewards from Ivern for clearing a camp quickly, but not taking away rewards from other junglers (or giving Ivern rewards) when Ivern needs to spend a longer period of time for a smaller camp.
The Deckowner3 votesRaptors are the strongest camp right now, and it is the hardest for most junglers to take.
ChaoticPinecone3 votesI havent actually played the new jungle, but the reasoning still stands.
If Raptors are the strongest camp, why dont they give as much XP as Krugs? Why doesnt Ivern get less XP from Raptors because he doesnt have to exert as much effort? There seems to be an inconsistency in how Ivern is being treated.
The Deckowner2 votesraptor is the strongest camp because it does the most damage, krug gives the most gold and exp because it takes forever to kill with the small krug spawns. for non-ivern junglers, krugs will still take longer than raptors, but they jist take shit loads of damage doing raptors..
ChaoticPinecone2 votesI get the logic, I'm saying its inconsistent.
Junglers clear each camp with different speeds and at different health. Ivern is an anomaly - he clears each camp at the same speed and the same health. We assume he is balanced around this: if he goes for a full clear, he isnt clearing exceptionally fast, slow, high health, or low health. Maybe he clears a little faster due to his efficiency, but thats his niche.
Single target junglers can clear buffs/gromp faster than AoE junglers. AoE junglers can clear Raptors or Wolves faster than single-target junglers. But you dont see XP being hindered for Single-Target junglers on Buffs or AoE Junglers on Wolves. Ivern, as a unique jungler, can clear Krugs faster than any other jungler. Though it might make sense to hinder his clear due to this unique trait, its not something thats consistent with XP gain in the jungle.
The Deckowner1 votesI think at the end the exp&gold/Time evens out when a full clear is done, some champion just have stupid clear speeds cough
cough and Rito won't change that ever.
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The Deckowner1 votesat leat hen the enemy counter jungle you, as Ivern you can sneak a few camps from the enemy with your smite, most Tank jungler just auto loss against strong early game champions like Lee, Nid, etc.
ChaoticPinecone3 votesBut thats weird, right?
Nidalee with her stupid clear speeds can enjoy the benefits of having the full amount of XP and Gold that the jungle provides. Ivern, with his unique clearing ability, cannot. Thats why I say its inconsistent.
The Deckowner1 votesThere is a reason why Nidalee is 100% pick ban in worlds 2016.
Rito balance team: if a champion takes skill, this champion need to be op.
ChaoticPinecone2 votesBut thats inconsistent, right? OP 100% pick-ban at worlds gets to keep her XP and gold. Ivern gets reduced XP for not having to fight the monsters.
The Deckowner1 voteswhy don't you ask rito why adc can do more burst damage than assassins?
Ariel the Cruel1 votesJhin is a special case. Just the way his kit works out come late game.
Graves is just "Special."
Quinn is on par with assassins though traditionally has a much slower burst pattern (not sure how it compares in pre-seaon since assassins seem to be perma-banned right now).
No other ADC can out-right exceed an assassin's burst. By 6 items their DPS can get pretty crazy though.
The Deckowner1 votesCaitlyn, Draven, MF, Twitch, etc can all easily burst squishies within 1.5~2 seconds.
1.5 seconds is the time it requires for new lb's passive to apply.
2 seconds is that time for Talon's new passive.
Still want to argue adc don't have burst?
ChaoticPinecone1 votesWhy is it so hard for you to admit I'm right?
Just say it - its inconsistent.
Jorencice1 votes2 seconds really isnt burst...
I was killed in .07 seconds once by a fizz.
Thats burst.
Noblewind1 votesIvern may have to wait longer to get some camps, he can still instakill entire camps on smite and isn't stuck at camps while waiting. He can also setup multiple camps at time, I.e. 2-3 camps in the time it takes to do one + travel time. He can ALSO gank or do whatever he wants while farming. It's an intended inconsistency, if Ivern got the same gold he could become too strong. If he could gain the same gold at krugs in 2 seconds with a smite where all other junglers take 10 or more early on, that's pretty OP.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesWhile true, it has always been true. And we assume that Ivern is/was balanced around these unique features of his kit. Its not like Ivern clears exceptionally fast compared to other farming junglers, nor does he clear at exceptionally high health. And its not like he is the fastest clearing or safest jungler in the game.
Its inconsistent. Nidalee, Shyvana, and Udyr are allowed exceptional clears without any XP or gold penalty. But Ivern, who can clear one camp quicker than others, gets an XP and gold penalty.
Noblewind1 votesIt's more than one camp quicker than others, it's everytime he gets smite, also being able to share blue/red buffs. I'll agree his clears don't really scale as well as other junglers once a few items are bought, but Ivern is also meant to be a support jungler, not really requiring items or power spikes as much as others to do what he needs to help win. His counter jungling is also unmatched early game, which is massive considering he's a support. E.g. you can steal red forcing the enemy jungler to do new Raptors (taking a lot of damage), and new krugs (spending lots of time) without it, keeping your lanes safer by keeping them behind.
PDD LAISI2 votesI suppose, sucks that he doesn't even get the chance to earn the benefits.
Teridax688 votesI remember a Rioter mentioning this when they first implemented the new jungle, and apparently it's intentional. I really don't like that choice, though. Not only is it completely contrary to Ivern's theme (why is he exploding the Krugs instead of saving them), it messes up his clear in a manner he has absolutely no way of playing around. If the intention was to prevent him from killing harder camps too easily, then the solution should be to simply increase the cost and/or warmup time of his Groves on those. If that happens, it would be nice to also remove the health and/or mana cost to putting a grove on the Rift Scuttler.
Awoof2 votesIt is intentional (for now). They said that's just kinda the pay off for him since he doesn't have to sink the extra time into them that others do now.
XxXGwanXxX2 votesThey already adressed it and Riot said it was intended. He insta clears the current camp. If someone on his team passes and kills one of the krugs, He'll get to save more of them. Maybe there is something to do with this.
But i mean it's kind of compensated. I heard most junglers are completly incapable of facing the frog camp now. It's too strong early game but ivern can just one shot it.
It seems balanced to me.
Talisid1 votesEvery jungler I've tried except 
can solo the Gromp at level 2 no problem. I don't know who you heard that from.
only has a hard time with it because he can't get ghouls from doing Blue/Red now.
Glory ln Death1 votesDon't know what you're talking about - before preaseason, I solo'd Gromp at level 1 as Yorick jungle. Why would you start Blue (before changes)? Kill Gromp, then take Blue so you start out with 4 ghouls to invade the enemy jungle at their red buff.
CrazyBear19871 votesInteresting, good to know, yea people forget that krugs split now XD
Spoofghoul1 votesi kind of like them as sion
with my aoe i clear krugs fast and they give a lot of hp now
Blakiepug1 votesProbably because Krugs became a lot more time consuming for other junglers to clear, whereas Ivern still has the same clear time on each camp. Just my guess.
TwinkiePro1 votesRiot stated that it was intended. He does't have to deal with all the little kruglings and lose out on a ton of health in the process, not to mention they can be his second clear unlike any other champ.
dPPobrjYEk1 votesRiot stated that it was intended. He does't have to deal with all the little kruglings and lose out on a ton of health in the process, not to mention they can be his second clear unlike any other champ.
it's not intended they just can't be assed to fix it
TwinkiePro1 votesdPPobrjYEk1 votesIntended.
intended because they don't know how or don't wanna waste $
TwinkiePro1 votesk
dPPobrjYEk1 votesk
where's solo q?
dPPobrjYEk1 votesi have 62k ivern mastery and i hate jungling him to because everyone clears faster and he's too squishy invade
Noblewind1 votesIt's most likely intended. It would be unfair if he did get the gold, simply because he can smite the camp in one shot, coming out with full health at level one and doesn't need to spend much time in that camp at any point in the game. He can also steal an enemy's krugs just as fast. If he got the full gold that could become OP.
runedara1 votesI don't like these changes it seem to just cripple some jungles first clear. Vi Shyvana and some other jungles have no problem in it but some with weaker clear struggle so much.
