Fiora is unbalanced

SweetKnebep·Nov 9, 2015·39 votes·4,321 views

I cant explain it better. She is too op, if you dont think so it's because you probably don't know how to play her well. She is overpowered, with tons of damage and that new and stupid ult that heals her! like if all the life steal wasn't enough. And then the passive, that at the beggining all the people said it was bad but i knew it was going to be a pain in the ass, and here it is. These kind of champs are not fun, like Garen; i used to play him a lot, but now its simply too easy! you dont even have to try hard. I dont play lol in a competitive way, only for fun, and every time you play against a Fiora you know it's not going to be fun. The latest changes in Lol are bad in general (all the juggernauts stuff sucks in my opinion, a champ that has tons of life and tons of dmg, wtf?!??!) but, this champ is specially unbalanced, hope Riot will take a look to her gameplays and repair this.

72 Comments

The PatriachyNov 9, 201516 votes

The problem is she is strong against everything.

Murders full tanks with her % health true damage. Murders adcs with her attack speed slow, stickiness and bust from her e. Mages are scared to use abilities on her because of the threat of her w. Doesn't matter how bad the fiora is. A burst mage like annie will hesitate to ult a fiora. Won't hesitate vs something like a yi.

Only counters are stuff like kennen or wukong who can zone her out of fights.

FistOfSharkieshaNov 10, 20151 votes

Exactly the point I was trying to make as she was reworked. Even though melee AD carries like Olaf, Tryndamere, and Aatrox can deal with her early on, her true damage scaling allows her to beat anyone in the game at 25 or so minutes. Renekton is one of the only tanky champions that can deal with her because of his instant stun, but again, the longer the game goes on, the less counterable she becomes. Renekton can be fed and have more AD and AR than Fiora but she will still win the trade. She can build a frozen heart and win trades. Other fighters can't because her true damage counters that. Even building hp doesn't work because its %max hp. Her healing is outrageous too. All she needs is a Hydra, Black Cleaver, a few defensive items, and she can do the most damage in teamfights by far while being too difficult to remove.

%max hp true damage is the most toxic mechanic in the game next to invulnerability/untargetable. Couple this with free self-healing, high mobility, and nearly 1 second of invulnerability + hard CC in one ability basically gives her no weaknesses.

Vayne is only acceptable with %max hp true damage because she can't deal the same kind of damage as Fiora if she builds defensively and she can reliably be CCd.

ElindisNov 10, 20151 votes

Lissandra completely destroys Fiora at any stage of the game. 2 unpredictable CC spells, ranged poke spam, double zhonya's, escape... Donger? Best outcome of laning against him with Fiora is 0/0/0 and not being 50 cs behind. He just laughs and zones her. And so does Urgod, yet nobody plays him. In fact, these three devastate any meta top laner, be it Fiora, Darius, Renekton, Garen, Rumble or GP

CaythelesNov 10, 20151 votes

GP last nerfs made him too weak to be on this list imo. he is still strong... but not strong enough to be with them.

Mael broNov 10, 20151 votes

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The problem is she is strong against everything.

Murders full tanks with her % health true damage. Murders adcs with her attack speed slow, stickiness and bust from her e. Mages are scared to use abilities on her because of the threat of her w. Doesn't matter how bad the fiora is. A burst mage like annie will hesitate to ult a fiora. Won't hesitate vs something like a yi.

Only counters are stuff like kennen or wukong who can zone her out of fights.

I just take my hands of keyboard and admit that i got outplayed.

Valor SimulatorNov 10, 20152 votes

Pantheon Teemo Malphite Renekton Tryndamere thats all you need to beat Fiora

EmollientNut0Nov 9, 201514 votes

First time I ever played her I got 3 quadras and a penta and laughed at how easy it was. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Teemo or FeedmoNov 10, 20153 votes

Fizz

Cinderhulk RivenNov 9, 20159 votes

I'm just sitting here like "I remember when Fiora was good".

It was the World's patch. She was good on the World's patch. It amazes me that a melee champion like Fiora draws so much attention while Lux sits in the hilariously overtuned state she is in right now.

MeleeNukeNov 9, 20153 votes

Renekton still is a champ that makes any top laner cry in the corner of their turrets or feed horribly. His early game is way too scary, it takes a shit load of armor to stop his damage, and that only works when he doesn't build penetration.

AnidanNov 10, 20155 votes

Just lane bully things. Nerf his early game too much and you take him out of the one place he's really good. At least he's a lane bully that falls off.

MelledoneusNov 10, 20155 votes

Darius Did somebody say late game? Every game is my game.

MeleeNukeNov 11, 20151 votes

Renekton is definitely anti-fun. Bully is his identity and he does it hard.

63536895_DELNov 10, 20151 votes

I tilt just by seeing that an enemy picked Lux in champ select.

Dominick DestineNov 9, 20158 votes

Fiora is overpowered, yes.

But that's fine, her pick/ban rate is so high that Riot has no choice but to nerf her fairly soon.

Painted CeltNov 10, 20152 votes

I don't know... That really depends on how the Project Fiora skin sales are going.

KazaashiNov 9, 20155 votes

Pantheon

'nuff said.

Valor SimulatorNov 10, 20151 votes

Finally someone gets it, there is literally nothing Fiora can do against Pantheon

KorilloNov 9, 20154 votes

Considering Fiora is banned almost every game I think it's pretty obvious that Fiora is OP and I would hope Riot has something planned to counter that.

But with the new season and items coming there may be a number of new balance issues that arise.

Prospector PeteNov 9, 201512 votes

Maybe Fiora needs to learn to Riposte the ban. It can block everything, ya know.

ElegantDogeNov 9, 20154 votes

I suggest anyone who think she's that op:play her and post the results so we laugh at your failures.

She's almost under 50% winrate in higher league.

AnidanNov 10, 20154 votes

I'm starting to wonder how many of the opinions on the boards are just regurgitated from other people saying it first, or from a distaste of the champion in general before the balance arguments are even applied. I think she's a little strong right now, but the boards have blown it up like she's some unstoppable deity. The circlejerks on this forum are unreal.

ElegantDogeNov 10, 20151 votes

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I'm starting to wonder how many of the opinions on the boards are just regurgitated from other people saying it first, or from a distaste of the champion in general before the balance arguments are even applied. I think she's a little strong right now, but the boards have blown it up like she's some unstoppable deity. The circlejerks on this forum are unreal.

That's the problem.They use the word "Overpowered" for something,someone strong.I've seen many here using that word without even knowing what it means. Seriously this is anoying,their reactions are always exaggerated.

shalexadeNov 10, 20159 votes

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I suggest anyone who think she's that op:play her and post the results so we laugh at your failures.

She's almost under 50% winrate in higher league.

"Almost under 50%"

Technically, that's known as "Over 50%" :D

4NoxiousHoursNov 9, 20153 votes

Bro Fiora has been OP since her release. Nothing is balanced with Fiora lmao

UrPalAlNov 10, 20153 votes

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Bro Fiora has been OP since her release. Nothing is balanced with Fiora lmao

She was complete shit on release, she had like a 32% win rate, then she got buffed.

Hayaishi2Nov 9, 20153 votes

Fiora's power level is so derp, like lmao idk how she hasn't been destroyed with nerfs already.

ThatHeartillyThoNov 9, 20152 votes

I agree. Fio is overpowered. Riposte should be changed to old riposte. It shouldn't block ALL abilities AND spells like ignite. Please. Even sivir's spellshield can't block ignite.

AnidanNov 10, 20158 votes

Her old Riposte was widely considered worthless (AD bonus upon skill points aside), hence the change in the first place. You don't take one step forward just to go one step backward, that is pointless. Do what you've probably started doing with Vlad's pool and Fizz's Playful/Trickster: Play around it. It's a defensive tool, account for it.

Really wish people would quit trying to remove things just because they don't like them.

ChaoticPineconeNov 10, 20152 votes

its an offensive and defensive tool (cant forget that stun) that can negate all abilities in the game.

I mean, Vlad pool and Fizz pole are complained about enough, and they dont break DoTs or are attached to hard CC and soft cc.

Valor SimulatorNov 10, 20151 votes

Her Riposte only stuns if it blocks an ability that can stun otherwise it just slows and for the record Riposte can also block ignite but by that time in a duel it would be on cooldown and she would die anyway

VaralessiaNov 10, 20152 votes

this, honestly, its probably the most balanced invulnerability in the game. It does miniscule damage and gets points last, meaning it can really only be used once a fight and takes the most fines to use

FistOfSharkieshaNov 10, 20151 votes

That's not comparable though. Fizz and Vlad don't do true damage. With the right build Fiora can duel anyone in the game successfully and wreak havoc in teamfights without the ability to lock her down.

AnidanNov 10, 20154 votes

I don't see how them not doing true damage makes the direct ability comparison invalid?

Plus she was kinda made to be able to duel anyone in the game - it's her thing, she's the Grand Duelist, and part of the goal of the rework was to give her some teamfight presence.. It sounds like the rework was successful in its goals, they just need to tune it down.

DarthSpectrumNov 10, 20152 votes

You don't need to preach to the converted. Almost everyone is aware that Fiora, Darius, and Gangplank are decimating all their top lane match ups.

Fiora is one of the few champions that can hold her own against Darius, and she is only really hard countered by Tahm Kench. Any sudden burst healing or shields actually negates Fiora's vital damage since it doesn't take into account the extra health gained. However, besides Tahm Kench the other champions that have these abilities such as Nasus, Renekton, Mundo, or Darius are weak in other areas to Fiora's kit.

Well, she has been having high pick rate and high ban rate for a while now. Once Riot sort out Darius and GP, they will probably take a look at Fiora's kit and tone down her numbers a but.

In the meantime, try taking ranged champion against her. Vladimir is hilariously good against Fiora if you start stacking your E before minions spawn. However, Fiora will beat him late game.

SpoofghoulNov 10, 20151 votes

Meh i dont think Gangplank is op ever since he has been tuned down. It is just that due to the nature of his kit he does currently not have any bad lane matchups and can just sit and farm. He was pretty much always like this farm your lane bombard someone else's but b4 the rework he had no waveclear so anything that pushes could just do that and eventually take towers whilst denyieng alot of gold. With barrels bot the waveclear and harras got combined and are better now.

LuggNov 10, 20152 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XF86nKqQXs

weeaboomerNov 10, 20152 votes

I just pick irelia and spam CTRL 6.

DragonSheaNov 10, 20152 votes

The only problem I have with her is her passive. If she just had it's AD scaling lowered and fixed instead of rising per Lv. % True Damage is okay in small amounts but not this shit

HåppyNov 10, 20151 votes

17/3/10 Graves instantly dies to her because she builds AD and annihilates his health 4k HP Taric dies in seconds after the fact because %hp damage based on her AD, along with black cleaver shredding his armor.

Fiora is fucking broken, and is one of my instant-rage champs.[zombie-nunu-tears]

The EcdysiastNov 10, 20151 votes

the 4k HP Taric died because

He's f*cking Taric.

Valor SimulatorNov 10, 20151 votes

You know why Taric died that fast. Its because to have 4k hp you have to build STRAIGHT hp and no Armor, just mix up your build and go like half hp half armor or like 90% armor 10% hp and you have affectively shut her down because theres nothing that she can do against armor unless she builds black cleaver or something

ShahamutNov 10, 20151 votes

Taric obviously didnt stun her, because if she is all AD and you are Taric and Graves, you should have enough to burst her down. If you are running at her 1 at a time when she is 3 lvs and 3 items up, (not likely since graves has 17 kills and only 3 deaths) I dont know what to tell you other than you are doing it wrong.

I Miss CannonNov 10, 20151 votes

Just pick Irelia

ShahamutNov 10, 20151 votes

Its a skill matchup, but Irelia definitely has a good shot.

JRobin31Nov 10, 20151 votes

Yeah, percent max hp seems really cool up until that moment that you are sitting in the shop and trying to figure out how to itemize against the 1000s of true damage in your death recap...

ShahamutNov 10, 20151 votes

More damages? :P

ShahamutNov 10, 20151 votes

The only problem I have with Fiora right now is that her passive is sometimes reappearing on the same spot 2 or 3 times in a row. Its pretty much a skill matchup for me as Jax. Though Fiora's numbers (and this passive bug) give her the edge.

I can also zone her our really hard as Kennen, but kennen offers less late game and is more situational to your team comp...

Have not found the best counter for her yet, but I do well as jax or Renekton. Still need to try Pantheon.

2DunksFromHellNov 10, 20151 votes

Fiora will stay perma banned for a long time... they did nerfed Darius Mordekaiser and their ban rate droped rapidly but for Fiora ban rate keeps raising (92% EUW) they should add some more counterplay vs her like they did on Darius decimate