Master Yi needs Reverts or Buffs

RazorRaijin·Dec 7, 2017·3 votes·771 views

http://na.op.gg/champion/masteryi/statistics/jungle

Master Yi over the course of the last year or so has been constantly declining in win rate with the most dramatic dips being with the runes update and the loss of Fervor of Battle as a Keystone. While other champions have received buffs to some of their abilities because of the loss of some damage masteries (ex. Riven was recently given slightly more scaling and base damage on her Q) but Master Yi has not. I would like a Red to at least give some feedback on what the balance team has in store for Yi if they have anything at all.

9 Comments

FerdNuttyDec 7, 20171 votes

Maybe new Rune Keys need to be created although I don't see how Lethal Tempo isn't amazeballs on Yi. I get what you're saying though. Renekton sucks up top now without Fervor and there must be others.

RazorRaijinDec 7, 20171 votes

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Maybe new Rune Keys need to be created although I don't see how Lethal Tempo isn't amazeballs on Yi. I get what you're saying though. Renekton sucks up top now without Fervor and there must be others.

Its because the 1.5 second Ramp up Time on Lethal Tempo is too long for a champ that MUST kill someone when they enter a team fight. If it was instant for melee champs then it actually would be an amazing Rune.

FerdNuttyDec 7, 20171 votes

That's likely a positioning issue though. 1.5 seconds only asks that you wait for a safe moment to get one auto before you alpha. Tempo should be up about when you come out.

RazorRaijinDec 7, 20171 votes

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That's likely a positioning issue though. 1.5 seconds only asks that you wait for a safe moment to get one auto before you alpha. Tempo should be up about when you come out.

But that is the problem you must get in range to auto and 1.5 seconds is enough time for the enemy team to kill you even through meditate. Lethal Tempo is vastly better on ranged champions than it is on melee ones because there is less risk for failure. Also it does not help that since there is no fervor of battle Yi lost a lot of the true dmg scaling on Wuju style and AD on autos and crits.

FerdNuttyDec 7, 20171 votes

True, it is better on ranged, but then again if you assume that Fervor stacks were not already up from clearing a wave or camp it could have been said Fervor was safer to stack on ranged champs as well. Perhaps Riot is trying to tell you Rapid Firecannon or Zhonyas is meta on Yi now. Truthfully though, for a cancer champ like Yi has been, I don't find myself feeling sad that Yi has to figure out how to make one safe auto attack on an outlying champion before fully committing to a hard back-line, late-game dive. Just let the push and pull of team positioning reveal the safe auto and then the cancer can prevail.

Red WreckageDec 7, 20172 votes

someone saying lethal tempo is good on Yi

lul

RazorRaijinDec 7, 20171 votes

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True, it is better on ranged, but then again if you assume that Fervor stacks were not already up from clearing a wave or camp it could have been said Fervor was safer to stack on ranged champs as well. Perhaps Riot is trying to tell you Rapid Firecannon or Zhonyas is meta on Yi now. Truthfully though, for a cancer champ like Yi has been, I don't find myself feeling sad that Yi has to figure out how to make one safe auto attack on an outlying champion before fully committing to a hard back-line, late-game dive. Just let the push and pull of team positioning reveal the safe auto and then the cancer can prevail.

So your advice is just to do nothing then and hope the enemy team plays bad? That wont fix Yi's problems. Your solution is literally "Just hope and pray your team can win the fight without you."

FerdNuttyDec 7, 20171 votes

I think i said something like, "make one safe auto attack on an outlying champion before fully committing to a hard back-line, late-game dive." That means you would have been part of the team fight, right?

Look here, it's like what khazix does in his own way. Wait for a good moment to scoop up a reset run and gun. Here, you're just waiting for the moment you reach Yi's highest kill potential before you straight up ignore 4 to dive the highest priority target your dear Yi heart desires. Thing is, this is a game of conditions within moments and the interplay of each character's kit is what comprises these. Instant risk assessment, knowing the boundaries you can push and those you can't within each moment. What you are essentially complaining about is that you are displeased with the fact that you now have to make a small additional consideration in order to collect the pentakills the kit is designed to give you at high margins. How about you deserve it and enjoy the moment for the appreciation you will have for having done something not because it was easy, but because it was hard...ish.

Really though, Lethal Tempo makes on-hit builds so much better. Effectively this is a buff making you a better front-line killer than before with botk. Keep in mind Lethal Tempo lets you break attack speed cap. You know on second thought, there is the option of going Phase Rush with Celerity to give some AD to simulate Fervor! Yi has options to kill whomever he needs to; still.

RazorRaijinDec 7, 20171 votes

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I think i said something like, "make one safe auto attack on an outlying champion before fully committing to a hard back-line, late-game dive." That means you would have been part of the team fight, right?

Look here, it's like what khazix does in his own way. Wait for a good moment to scoop up a reset run and gun. Here, you're just waiting for the moment you reach Yi's highest kill potential before you straight up ignore 4 to dive the highest priority target your dear Yi heart desires. Thing is, this is a game of conditions within moments and the interplay of each character's kit is what comprises these. Instant risk assessment, knowing the boundaries you can push and those you can't within each moment. What you are essentially complaining about is that you are displeased with the fact that you now have to make a small additional consideration in order to collect the pentakills the kit is designed to give you at high margins. How about you deserve it and enjoy the moment for the appreciation you will have for having done something not because it was easy, but because it was hard...ish.

Really though, Lethal Tempo makes on-hit builds so much better. Effectively this is a buff making you a better front-line killer than before with botk. Keep in mind Lethal Tempo lets you break attack speed cap. You know on second thought, there is the option of going Phase Rush with Celerity to give some AD to simulate Fervor! Yi has options to kill whomever he needs to; still.

Celerity + phase rush is only 20 AD with highlander and Yommus, Plus on hit is not as effective because you wont kill tanks because of the loss of true dmg. Literally play Yi with BR, BotrK, and Rageblade and you will not be doing all that much dmg because you will die before getting the chance to get enough stacks off on Guinsoo. Esp if they have thornmail you will kill yourself faster than killing them because you can't heal with Botrk due to the Grievous wounds.

Also if lethal tempo was so great why does it have less than a 46% win rate on Yi in Plat+ Elo? Notice in the link I left on-hit is actively worse on Yi that going regular crit. The problem is that if you are able to get resets off, it was probably a fight your team could have won without Yi even being there in the first place.

Let me ask you a question, how many games have you actually used Lethal Tempo on Yi in the current season? All Yi mains universally acknowledge that it is worse than taking Press the Attack because you can actively get more bonus dmg with your Alpha strike with Crit builds, but that still leaves Yi in the same bad place as before, you don't have the chance to get your damage off, because unlike khazix yi cannot go invisible.