As an avid Veigar player, is there any nerf planned for Veigar?

IMissOneCharacte··5 votes·1,027 views

And if so , which part of his gameplay would be targeted?

Personally, the way I feel about it is that Veigar identity is to be a high damage dealing hypercarry, but he has a very strong early game for how well he scale into the lategame, hence I expect Riot to target his early game strength, even if I don't know how, or what would be the best way to do it.

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Dreadlocks6 votes

They will probably nerf is base AD. I'ma guess between 3 and 5 AD. :D

MisterHealYoGirl3 votes

If I had to nerf Veigar (and I don't want to), I'd make the cooldown on his Q longer at lower ranks. It's fine where it is in late and mid-game teamfights, but it seems a little spammable at lower levels. If the cooldown was naturally longer, Veigar would have to pick between maxing his W for higher damage early and maxing his Q for better farming and late game. But these are just my thoughts.

SirPacifista1 votes

would like that far more than any others nerfes, since Veigars Lategame is far more important for him than his early game.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

They did. They gave him a delay on his E & turned his Q into a skillshot, which everyone was hating on a lot.

Yasûo1 votes

I think they need to reduce his AP scaling, put a longer cool down on Q and reduce his ults damage so its only his own AP. He doesn't need any mobility on his kit as he can camp under tower farming quite halily, realistically you cant dive him, due to stun and high burst is insane, if he buys deathcap, then can get to like 500 AP off 2 items. Its just his damage. Nerf the damage and cool down on Q he will be more balanced then.

SirPacifista1 votes

Dude, Veigar is not overpowered, why should he get such nerfs? His old form was WAY MORE dangerous than he is now, i would be glad to have that back, but nerfing him now again would make him useless like he was 2 patches ago.

Anihaku2 votes

He doesn't need a nerd.......he is finally at a good spot people cmon. If you don't get caught by his e.....then the w is easily avoided. Yes he is more powerful, but it's not to the point where he needs a nerf. Just leave him alone.......don't ruin it for us!

Erockandroll1 votes

Kit wise, They got Veigar to a point where he can actually land his spells effectively. What reliability he has should not be touched.

So my guess is that they will tone down his scaling. Cause I'm assuming the reason people are complaining is that he's blowing people up.

Penns1 votes

How about we adress Veigar oneshotting anything below 2k HP and 100 MR with 2 items. Same problem as with Vayne, supposed to be only strong "late game", but both are basically unbeatable with 2 items and have a huge power spike after 1 + boots...

Big Lincoln2 votes

veigar has always power-spiked in mid game

Penns1 votes

But now he can (potentially) stack twice as fast, reaching his power spike too early to handle...

SirPacifista1 votes

But now he can (potentially) stack twice as fast

Jeah... potentially, still more cd, its more unreliable (hence skillshot if) and you would have to hit 2 minion low health, at the same time, to get 2 q stacks,

and every competent player can hinder you on that.

And seriously, he is a joke early game ;D No mana reserves, squishy, high cd, easy gankable, and e dodgable. (and his passive is a joke in the beginning)

BUT let me say this, if he should get nerfed, THEN, they should lower the q and w Damage in the beginning (so level 1-3) and for that make the damage at level 4 higher (or ap sscaling)

Penns1 votes

With the "mini rework" his Q cd got lowered early game, its not exactly unreliable against minions, it actually has more range so its better, just harder to use and kill 2 minions.

Hes not strong early game, but not weak either, hes safe. Until he just comes back to lane with 1-2 items and reks you as if he got 4 items (Vayne )

SirPacifista1 votes

i give you that, he is safe if the Veigar is good (because of the q range), but normally you can stand behind HIS minions and harass him to death, since he has no way to give harass back (q or w are useless early game to harass somebody, since Veigar has no mana reserves)

but i still dont belive that he is more toxic (which i think is the point of this discussion) than for example Zed, who will urge you to buy item 3157 , because he can kill nearly anybody with a good combo without it (but if zed is good, then he will still kill you, and escape with minimal damage)

PorkNasty1 votes

The AP scaling on his W is ridiculous IMO, dark matter gets 100% AP scaling, u eat one of those + his ult and you're toast. They gotta do something because his damage output right now is bonkers.

SirPacifista1 votes

Its the same as always ;D he has the 1.0 sacling since 5 years ago :) but before it was way more vertain it would hit you, because the stun was instant.

JJI7441 votes

Disclaimer: solely my opinion follows.

First off, Veigar is likely to eat a nerf in the next couple of patches.

As to where:

I would not be surprised to see his ult take a damage hit. Kinda high damage for a point and click ability.

I wouldn't be completely shocked to see his Q get a CD increase but have a CD decrease if you kill a unit. (Stays the same farming, but lowers the frequency you can Q in a teamfight)

SirPacifista1 votes

But his ult is the same as 5 years ago, only with LESS damage than before the nerf 8 month ago. Veigar as he is now is not toxic, nor overpowered, if the enemy team is tanky hes fu***, or if the flash over the stun, (or use a blink ability)

JJI7441 votes

It is entirely possible for an ability to be overly powerful and not be an issue, only to become a problem after the champion is changed.

For precedent, look at Wither. It was an absurdly powerly, unfun, and really stupid skill, that no one coplained about because: A) Nasus was rarely picked B) Nasus was weak enough that having Wither wasn't enough to make him troublesome by itself.

Fast forward to after Nasus gets a series of small buffs that add up to make Nasus a formidable opponent. All of a sudden, people realize that an ability that amounts to a point and click 5s stun for auto-attack champions is kinda bullshit. Wither gets its AS reduction chopped in half.

Now, as I said, this is just my guess, but if Riot feels the need to cut power from Veigar's kit, I would wager the ult would be what takes a hit. It has all the features that Riot tends to despise:

A) Point and click ability with massive payoff B) Low/no counterplay C) A certain, non-obvious, burden of knowledge. (does damage based off your own AP as well, with no indication of this in-game)

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Well this isn't really fun when you play support and their underfed and underpriced veigar traps you with almost no counterplay,and his W deals half of your hp.

They should focus on changing his ult,since there's no counter to point and click 1300 to adc-1900 to Mage nuke beside Untargetability

SirPacifista1 votes

Well this isn't really fun when you play support and their underfed and underpriced veigar traps you with almost no counterplay,and his W deals half of your hp.

Do you mean with "no counterplay", evading the stun? because you can do that, also his W delay is still huge if you AREN`T stunned. if oyu want counterplay, just pick a tanky support and buy health + mr (you know item 3105 item 3190 item 3111 item 3222 item 3143 item 3341 item 3512 item 3097 support or tank items)

One Trick Yi1 votes

These posts about veigar is dumb. I been playing veigar since start of season and its the exact same veigar he been with w actually able to land now. Veigar always been good but needed some buffs like the w less delay. Why most complain about veigar soon veigar throw e down you run to edge of e to get stun instead of staying in middle to dodge w then screen op na just know you bad for getting caught on edge. Me being a veigar main always funny when ppl run to there death on the edge when stun was nowhere near him and make my job easy. his q cd just find you want to raise his q cd is kinda dumb for a champion so squishy and have nonething to defend himself or back enemy off if e on cd. Veigar is perfectly fine learn to pick his counter and stop picking champs like ahri nidalee and victor that have to stack ap to be relevant that always go in veigar favor if veigar actually have skills with him.

Scorpionex1 votes

I'm that Nautilus that hooks veigar through his e and r's him for good measure so he can't do crap while my team kills him :P

No but seriously buy mercury treads and veigar will never be able to hit that stun it literally cripples him to no end

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