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@Riot Thoughts on Tryndamere from someone with 1 million Mastery Points and multiple diamond account

TastyPotatox·1/30/2016, 1:12:52 AM·34 votes·4,837 views

First off,

Who Am I?

I am A Tryndamere main since season 4 with almost 2000 total games played as Tryndamere and almost 1 million mastery points. In season 5 I had 3 accounts at diamond III and 1 account at platinum III so I know a thing or two about Tryndamere.

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What is the problem?

Tryndamere is in the worst state he has been since I started playing him and many people who only play tryndamere have stopped playing him because he is just too weak. All of his core items were nerfed and his matchups became harder with the introduction of thunderlords decree and grasp of the undying since those masteries allow champions to bully tryndamere even harder early.

Everyone buys swiftness boots now making his W less useful. The nerf of Mercury treads, and the removal of the tenacity mastery makes teamfighting really hard especially with spooky ghosts everywhere.

With the item changes he has less utility in his build making it harder to 1v1 splitpush and teamfight.

Why?

The season 5 standard build was normally this:

Blade of The Ruined King: (NERFED) Cost 200g increase, passive 2% less current health Static Shiv (NERFED) Cost increased and deals less magic damage early Ghostblade (NERFED for him) Cost increase, crit removed. Infinity Edge (NERFED) cost down 200 but lost 15 AD Mercury Treads (NERFED) Tenacity down by 15% REALLY HURT A LOT Last Whisper (NERFED) Changed to only affect bonus armor which makes it harder to kill who tryndamere wants to kill which is squishy targets.

You could also take the tenacity mastery and get the elixer of iron to get 56% tenacity which allowed you to teamfight easier. <<<< THIS WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW JANNA PRESSES W OR LULU PRESSES Q AND WE CANT MOVE AND WE DIE. OR SPOOKY GHOSTS LOCK ME IN PLACE FOREVER.

Season 6 build looks like this: Rageblade Shiv Swiftness Infinity Edge Last Whisper Mercurial Scimitar

If you notice, we get no lifesteal early since blade is awful now which makes lane harder. Rageblade is the new answer to tanks but the downside is the componments are more expensive than blade and it gives no lifesteal. We have less utility to split and teamfight because we lose blade of the ruined king and ghostblade actives. We are forced to buy mercurial scimitar and swiftness boots because mercury treads got nerfed and we get CCed to death. We lose damage on shiv early and we lose damage on infinity edge. Also last whisper is only good vs really tanky dudes which you normally wanted to ignore in fights so if they are all squishy we swap for ghostblade.

The builds are just bad now. No Lifesteal early and if you really need it at least vamp builds into mercurial now. No utility, no tenacity (we get fucked by irelia nasus and malphite fiora even harder now) and without tenacity teamfighting is really hard. No BOTRK to fight the thornmail tanks.

Jax, Malphite, Nasus, Poppy, Fiora, Gnar, Renekton, Lulu, Quinn, Kennen, Pantheon, Ryze, Singed, Tahm, Wukong, Heimerdinger Are now all really REALLY hard matchups. They used to be hard and were winnable if you were really good and outplayed a bit but now they just have too much poke / tank with thunderlords and grasp of the undying to handle.

Other matchups are about the same as season 5 skill matchups but still harder because of all the item nerfs.

It just feels really bad now when poppy can full combo me 100-0 when building full armor. Feels really bad man.

also since everyone buys swiftness boots now Tryndamere's W is less effective at chasing people just throwing it out there I can feel this change.

How can we fix this? I'm going to start by saying I have no idea how to balance champions. I'm just going to throw random ideas out because I don't know what could be done all I can do is tell you the current problems Tryndamere has. Tryndamere is a Melee ADC and along with master Yi he is the last completely melee ADC so any ADC item changes will also affect him.

I don't know how riot wants to handle balance changes. I don't know if they even care about Tryndamere since he has a 2% pick rate and is never played in pro scene. But I have a few suggestions.

Buff Blade of the ruined king for Melee champions but keep it nerfed for ranged. Many Items and mechanics in the game are nerfed for ranged champions.

Buff On it ADC items in general. It seems like all the caster ADCs are the best anyway Ezreal, Lucian, Corki Ect.

Give me a reason to level Tryndamere's ultimate. Right now I get 10s off the cool down and more fury. The fury does nothing for me since 90% of the time I have full fury when I am fighting. Most of the time i don't even skill ultimate after level 6 until the end of the game. I would rather have 1s off the cooldown of my spin or reduce more AD and more slow with my W. What if I got tenacity while I was ulting? That would be nice.

Since Riot seems to like %health %armor %hp maybe allow Tryndamere's W to reduce % AD so it is a better 1 skill wonder to allow it to scale better in the game.

Buff Tryndamere's already really high base stats. I know Tryndamere has really high base stats but he still fails in lane because he is pure melee. Without fury he is useless and with all the poke people have now you pretty much have to sit at tower until the minions push in, try to build fury while taking massive poke and then hopefully you have full fury and 50% HP to fight them at the next wave. Its really boring that I can never farm without fury and im zoned by all champions with 0 fury.

Give a new item for Melee ADCs.

Going to stop here and might add some more suggestions later but I don't know what Riot even think about all of this really looking for a reply to this. Please don't downvote this just because you hate Tryndamere or think he is a low skill champion.

Best of Luck,

TastyPotatox

44 Comments

Keti1/30/2016, 3:25:40 AM24 votes

Tryn is too toxic to get buffed, the game is really better off without him. He needs a full rework. You also can't buff on hit anymore or devourer will get more insane.

He's also not bad, it doesn't matter if he loses lane, he's tryndamere.

IAMS4T4N1/30/2016, 2:14:47 AM15 votes

i havent seen trynd in a long time

and i dont think i mind

fuck that champ

weeaboomer1/30/2016, 1:25:52 AM14 votes

Good, have his rng gameplay be gutted until properly reworked.

Uncle1/30/2016, 1:51:24 AM10 votes

Best Tryndamere NA/LAN here. I think we should give Tryndamere 0 second cd ult.

Ty

LithiumWednesday1/30/2016, 2:55:00 AM6 votes

Go home Rackier Tryndamere

K541/30/2016, 1:32:29 AM5 votes

Probably because you're building wrong.

item 3124 item 3087 item 3035 item 3139 item 3031 item 3009 < item 3046 item 3031 item 3006 item 3153 item 3142 item 3026

I still maintain a 70% win rate with Tryndamere in S6 in p2/p1 (sometimes d5) playing top/mid/jg. When I jg, I run item 1400, not item 1403 . js

I assure you, if they buff Tryndamere, I will reach challenger very quickly lol

SN - I run crit runes to get 100% crit chance with my build, then scaling armor/magic resist seals/glyphs (respectively)

item 1400 replaces item 3142 when I jg

Dehitay1/30/2016, 1:18:40 AM4 votes

He has 3 diamond accounts. Mitsubishi is Japanese for three diamonds. This entire post is just a subliminal car advertisement!

Harry Peter1/30/2016, 1:48:12 AM3 votes

Rank 1 Soloqueue player in the world here. As the King of Soloqueue and Tryndamere, I propose we rework Tryndamere's W into a hard cc, skill shot or no skill shot; I don't give a shit.

Sincerely your King,

Pete

Morde Next Door1/30/2016, 1:44:12 AM3 votes

+1

TryndOrDiscoNunu1/30/2016, 1:42:16 AM3 votes

Yes I 100% agree! lel xd

Generosity1/30/2016, 1:40:00 AM2 votes

very good thread, i agree 100% summoner! i hope riot will listen to this!!!

Stephenizgod1/30/2016, 6:55:37 PM2 votes

Omg i have never seen a thread talking about how weak Tryndamere is... This is a first, good job! Tryndamere is toxic and he needs a Sion/Poppy level rework. He is either overwhelmingly strong with nothing you could have done or can do, or he is incredibly useless garbage with the support Janna capable of holding him off... His kit is outdated and toxic, his playstyle is outdated and toxic, he is outdated and toxic.

BluePolarizer1/30/2016, 1:21:52 AM2 votes

Man it's almost as if Tryndamere was finally "balanced" to be like Hecarim who was absolutely gutted despite being balanced. Did you really expect your champ to be immune to nerfs forever?

LazerBlade41451/30/2016, 12:17:49 PM1 votes

This is what i think, Tryndamere is one of those champs that are REALLY hard to balance, i do feel he should just get a rework and that well make it easier for them to balance, the first really bad thing about him is that he does nothing in team fights, now yes he can kill, but that's ALL he can do, just kill nothing more, strong yes have anything else no, and the meta has SO MANY SLOWS, thats y MasterYi and Olaf is better, they can't get slowed, so when you go in and ult to live, every SUP, mage mid( well some mage mid, not all of them) get spooky ghost, and his W is the only thing that can even get a edge next to his ult. his W is A out dated or B not worth it anymore, and as for his build path, its good, he can still build item 3074 and item 3046 plus item 3046 got buffed, as for item 3031 , yeah it is really weak then it was from S5, Tryndamere uses ADC items, there made for marksmen not for melee, i do have some idea's, maybe when looking at Tryndamere his new W well do a fear, and when looking away is slows just as it is now, they need to look at is W and R, Q and E is fine its just W,R needs a look at, IDK what can be done, they done a good bit of reworks in S6, Poppy,Shen which looks great,Quinn, and a bit more, i don't mind losing his strong ult, all i really want is to have fun with Tryndamere, is funny to play and i like his RNG play style, i well like to see him get a new ult and W, with a new ult there can be some counter play and with the new W can be useful not just a slow, yes it can lose some of there AD and thats good but, 1st theres more AD caster so you can't get in range of them, 2nd as for dueling with W its good but ether A there tanky because of they have to much HP or B there really strong,3rd people are getting item 3009 and it makes his W not really worth, now W isn't that bad, its just not as good as it used to be, well im hoping for a rework or change to W and R, this is my opinion on the matter so i hope it helps ;)

LilxPaprika1/30/2016, 4:19:24 PM1 votes

possible fix would be to make his taunt immune to slow resist for half the duration.

i don't consider infinity edge a nerf tbh, look at lee sin he doesn't scale that great into late game. but he can usually end the game before it gets there. i welcome the IE cost reduction, i even consider it a buff as its more within reach. most games never get that far, there's always some more rounded stat you could invest in like tier 3 boots etc and elixir if it ever gets that late.

i think between mastery, and elixir he gets good sustain imo. but the question becomes should a kit rely on a mastery? Imo they should do away with bloodlust lifesteal and have us get it from elsewhere...

i would like it if they brought back 2% lifesteal quints. maybe 2% for first, 1.75% for second adn 1.5% for third.

Lifesteal adjustments slightly less from wrath elixir and more accessible elsewhere: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/i4xybTuI-lifesteal-adjustments-slightly-less-from-wrath-elixir-and-more-accessible-elsewhere

I also think we could use tenacity runes imo.

LilxPaprika1/30/2016, 4:37:49 PM1 votes

what we need is 33.33% crit change for everyone at the start. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/tbEWpbfb-new-crit-formula can build fury better

1v9 xD2/16/2016, 9:13:44 PM1 votes

replace his crit chance with conditional max health true dmg, that's a lot less toxic xD

Cromslor1/30/2016, 1:42:00 AM1 votes

I agree with this post. I have been an on and off trynd main finally making it to D5 this past season and I really dislike his current state. The champion just isn't as satisfying when every other game even if you play at your best you still get destroyed because of a bad build path and late powerspikes.

SneakYxSnowman1/30/2016, 1:47:16 AM1 votes

I really like Tryndamere so I will upvote

KING ATTILA1/30/2016, 4:57:20 AM1 votes

I agree 100%. Tryn needs a VU and rework.

LadyRenly1/30/2016, 5:24:19 AM1 votes

what is wrong with bork? it's still decent for a second item after statikk

Ward Baron1/30/2016, 5:36:32 AM1 votes

I agree, forgot the nerf to the mastery...before that all he felt better then he does now. I feel that mastery should change back but that's just me because I used to love playing him jungle or top now he just feels so weak.

The Deckowner1/30/2016, 5:44:57 AM1 votes

i feel like tryn should just go hybird like every other champion who has good synergy with attackspeed now.

Remlap12231/30/2016, 6:25:43 AM1 votes

Yeah until Tryndamere gets his shitty to play against bullshit kit in order, he can stay as "bad" as he is right now. I wouldn't argue against more nerfs so he sees even less play, because he's easily in the top ten most toxic champions to play against in this game.

WolfBV1/30/2016, 6:26:09 AM1 votes

I've just been going item 3087 item 3031 item 3153 item 3006 item 3072 then either item 3812 item 3035 item 3022 item 3046

It's been working decently for me.

BeatinWarDrumz1/30/2016, 8:29:48 AM1 votes

I can sense the downvotes coming... but the problem is that tryn is an incredibly toxic champion. Really rng based, permaslow, and obnoxious ultimate that makes him virtually un-duelable and a beast late game no matter what.

James Bronze 0071/30/2016, 9:27:55 AM1 votes

"trynd is too toxic to get buffed" well there's always going to be annoying champs like tryn singed and teemo running around, no point leaving them in a messed up state just rework them when needed or help them out

111110111011/30/2016, 11:00:42 AM1 votes

Yea.... I'm not sure how I feel about it. I think TastyPotatoX has got some points here. The swiftness boots spam definitely hurts Tryndamere. His build paths are definitely much more awkward now than they've ever been. Getting slapped around by Thunderlord's hurts a lot. Getting hit with a ghost (which is also currently a must have every single game) during ulti is also brutal. RIP bork.

I'm not sure what could be done and further what ought to be done about it, though. I like the idea of adding some slow resist to his ult or maybe some tenacity just so he isn't completely screwed by the myriad of slows that are in the game presently. I'm not sure if that's even a good idea though as Tryndamere is a tricky champ. If you buff his ult too much he could quickly be overpowered but not enough and it would be a useless buff. At the same time, does he truly deserve a buff? It IS true that many Tryndamere mains don't even bother to level his ultimate because it gives little benefit (as pointed out by the OP).

I'm uncertain. As clunky and awkward as his build paths are and as hostile as the meta is towards the champ (tanks, slows, and swiftness boots all over the place), he is still quite strong if played correctly and precautions are taken to avoid terrible matchups. He DOES also benefit a bit from the new rageblade, despite the uncomfortable build path and the consequential impact on his early game if you choose to build it.

I don't know. The champ is a lot of fun and I hope he doesn't fall so far out of meta that he is unplayable anymore :(

Goosetard1/30/2016, 11:12:13 AM1 votes

This whole "stat binding" business is very efficient game design from a top-down perspective because it allows riot to have some more precise levers to pull to shift the meta and entire groups of champions at once. That being said, some champs fall through the cracks. Critical strike items are designed to be stat bound to ranged champions, but that's what trynd wants, while a lot of the core fighter items are stat bound to more durable champions. There are some others in similar boats

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