Lets add some jungle diversity

Banguine Blade·12/5/2019, 3:54:48 AM·7 votes·3,063 views

Give dragons resistances that are lowered for the amount of champions that need them. I am tired of the enemy team getting an insane jungler liker Udyr that can solo drag at the 5 minute mark while my jungler just finished watching his favorite league streamer play full armor Malphite jungle. Games are so incredibly snowbally because of the junglers that can solo Dragon as it spawns. My Suggested fix is to give every dragon or atleast just the first one 30 armor and MR that is reduced by 5 for every Champion in combat with the dragon. Also Riot if you want to Hire me after suggesting this change you can pay me in RP.

English is not primary Language. Bear with me Edit: Hope this gets some traction and Riot sees it. Would really like some RP payment

11 Comments

WinYourOwnLane12/5/2019, 4:06:03 AM4 votes

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WoonStruck12/5/2019, 4:13:26 AM3 votes

I don't see why dragons in general can't have 100 armor/MR minus 25 for every champion nearby past the first.

This makes things more "exciting" because contesting a dragon 5v5 means potentially -125 of each damage type, which encourages fewer rushes, since it becomes a lot more coinflip and encourages you to at the very least risk a fight before you attempt it. Not fighting is at your detriment if you're ahead in this case. It requires a lot more risk when you're ahead if you rush, unlike every other aspect of the game right now.

Meanwhile if youre taking the dragon with 4 or fewer people nearby, it suggests your macro is in a better spot, and you're still rewarded by having smite deal true damage in order to prevent steals by a single enemy, like how it is now.

BigFBear12/5/2019, 6:07:07 AM3 votes

Every fucking player can solo Drake at 5 minute lol. You dont even have to be jungler. They are so weak and low HP that everyone can do them now.

TehNACHO12/5/2019, 6:23:49 AM2 votes

Well the title and the content aren't exactly...

Anyway to answer the Dragon stuff, I'd like to stress a couple of things.

First of all, if anyone's payed attention to the Jungle role for more than two seconds, it's really easy to recognize that some champs are way better at soloing Dragon than others. If you want to start preaching about Diversity in the Jungle, you need to know what that actually means. In this case, some Junglers are better at Neutral Objective control than others. You can name Udyr off the top of your head, and if I showed you a slideshow of all the meta Junglers, you can probably identify which ones can clear the dragon solo before the 8 minute mark (3rd clear, for those wondering why I chose that time). Trying to inhibit who can solo Dragons only hurts the meaningful distinctions in "Diversity", not help it. Unless you're one of those who thinks Diversity is making sure every champion performs exactly the same no matter what so that every champion can be picked for every situation.

Anyway the point of identification leads into the next point, why not just ward the Dragon at the 5 minute mark onwards? Unless you're top lane (in which case, Herald). It should be that obvious which Junglers LeeSin Jax you need to constantly keep an eye on or at least keep a ward on the Neutral objectives. Dragon soloing shouldn't even be a problem unless you have extremely low pressure from your Mid, Jungler, AND Bot Laners, you're prioritizing your vision for something else (in which case, you're now having to deal with strategic diversity), or your whole team is bad (in which case, you have bigger problems to worry about)

But perhaps the silliest part of this thread is your recommendation to raise Dragon tankiness. That will do nothing. The best Dragon soloers do so because they have the sustain to chew away at the Dragon that early in the game, and sustain will always beat Flat defenses. Unless you bolster their solo defense to absolutely ludicrous levels, you're actually gonna make the problem worse since a lot of non meta Junglers can just barely solo dragon early and forcing them to chew away at it for even longer will kill one of their strategic options.

Retrøspect12/5/2019, 4:14:22 AM2 votes

This is a solid idea considering how big of an objective Dragon is with the current Dragon Soul

FCJAAAAGOOOO12/5/2019, 5:09:19 AM2 votes

I gotta say, there's something seriously wonky about attempting first dragon. They always have ZERO health and melt to anything. They should have less resistances so that junglers can still take them on but like, DOUBLE health so they need a lot of time and energy to take the first one out alone.

xelaker12/5/2019, 3:00:13 PM1 votes

Or drag could actually be a threat and require help from a lane, instead of being another jungle camp...

Skia Asteri12/5/2019, 5:54:51 AM1 votes

In a bot game I did on another account today the first dragon was almost solo'd by a level 1 Graves . This was because he did not get jungle item at the start despite starting smite.