fix sona with thunderlord

tricks and tips·Dec 8, 2015·2 votes·931 views

So if bard hits with his Q and an auto he triggers thunderlord, but Sona with power cord on autoattack with her Q does not. Also, if I auto attack with power cord and then cast Q before it hits the target it does not count toward next set of power cord, and if the auto just hits the target and I hit Q still will not grant me a stack of cords to build to 3, though that is around .5 sec after hitting.

P.S. lower heals mana by 10-20, make E cord a 1 sec root because the slow is near useless, and buff Q 10-20 damage to keep her even with bard/nami, 325 ms for a non ult hard cc support is weak too.

8 Comments

Aeolian MelodiesDec 8, 20152 votes

I voted "she's fine" on the pool but if spellthief gets nerfed she will no longer be fine imo.

Also the issue with Thunderlord needs to be addressed, I noticed as well that it didn't work on her Q+ empowered AA (or Powerchord) combo... it does work on Lux's Q/E -> AA because the game calculates spell + AA + Illumnation proc, so I don't see why Sona gets treated differently and it does not calculate Q + AA damage + magic damage buff... especially since the Q+AA combo is calculated this way for the purpose of Spellthief.

Dominick DestineDec 8, 20152 votes

Anyone that thinks Sona is "fine" is probably bronze/silver.

In Diamond, Sona is a very inferior pick (Tahm Kench/Thresh/Soraka/Alistar/Leona/Braum/etc.), hell, even secondary support characters are vastly superior (Annie, Zyra, Brand, Lulu, etc.) . I like Sona, I play Sona semi-often but she is just an overall terrible character, she's weak.

Aeolian MelodiesDec 9, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J6pyY7Le,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-08T04:12:30.522+0000)

Anyone that thinks Sona is "fine" is probably bronze/silver.

In Diamond, Sona is a very inferior pick (Tahm Kench/Thresh/Soraka/Alistar/Leona/Braum/etc.), hell, even secondary support characters are vastly superior (Annie, Zyra, Brand, Lulu, etc.) . I like Sona, I play Sona semi-often but she is just an overall terrible character, she's weak.

http://champion.gg/champion/Sona

She is 3rd in her role for winrate and 11th for playrate.

Lulu is not a secondary support btw, she is prmarily support.

Dominick DestineDec 9, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aeolian Melodies,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J6pyY7Le,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-12-09T01:56:49.402+0000)

She is 3rd in her role for winrate and 11th for playrate.

Win rate argument = Fail.

Thresh and Lee are consistently below 50%; Does that mean they are underpowered? by your logic, yes.

Lulu is not a secondary support btw, she is prmarily support.

That's debatable, but alright I will concede she was created as a support and is classified as support... however, she is utilized more often (At least in Diamond bracket and WORLDS TOURNAMENT) as a primary mage and secondary support.

Aeolian MelodiesDec 9, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J6pyY7Le,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-12-09T02:59:06.659+0000)

Win rate argument = Fail.

Thresh and Lee are consistently below 50%; Does that mean they are underpowered? by your logic, yes.

That's debatable, but alright I will concede she was created as a support and is classified as support... however, she is utilized more often (At least in Diamond bracket and WORLDS TOURNAMENT) as a primary mage and secondary support.

I disagree. She is played most often as a mid laner, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that she plays as a support champion, focusing more on enhancing the team rather than bursting down people like an actual mage would do. Lulu only has 2 (1 if she uses her shield on an ally) dmg spell after all.

Thresh and Lee are notorious for being played by people who suck hardcore at them. Same with Yasuo.

VesarixxDec 8, 20151 votes

Bards meep empowered auto attacks apply spell effects, so it is seen by the game as 2 different instances of damage for the purpose of thunderlords, Sona's Auto attack is one instance of damage and does not apply spell effects even when empowered by Q/Staccato, so this is really working as intended. The best way to apply thunderlords as Sona is to get 2 stacks of powerchord and then auto once, q for the second instance of damage and the 3rd passive stack, and then use the auto attack reset to get in another auto that applies Staccato, the Q on hit, and the thunderlords proc. This results in quite a bit of burst damage at once.

Sona is also doing pretty well recently, C9 Sneaky put her in his #1 bot lane combo along with Lucian for this patch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbG37pLpTPk

Aeolian MelodiesDec 8, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raith alghul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J6pyY7Le,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-08T03:22:39.853+0000)

Bards meep empowered auto attacks apply spell effects, so it is seen by the game as 2 different instances of damage for the purpose of thunderlords, Sona's Auto attack is one instance of damage and does not apply spell effects even when empowered by Q/Staccato, so this is really working as intended. The best way to apply thunderlords as Sona is to get 2 stacks of powerchord and then auto once, q for the second instance of damage and the 3rd passive stack, and then use the auto attack reset to get in another auto that applies Staccato, the Q on hit, and the thunderlords proc. This results in quite a bit of burst damage at once.

Sona is also doing pretty well recently, C9 Sneaky put her in his #1 bot lane combo along with Lucian for this patch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbG37pLpTPk

But spellthief calculates Q+auto as 3 instances of dmg.

Inconsistency.

VesarixxDec 8, 20151 votes

Q does have 2 bolts, are you sure you're not just hitting 2 champions with it to expend an extra charge?