Star Guardians: Why it's not about the skins anymore

Soul of Melodies··15 votes·9,082 views

Disclaimer: I am just a player who enjoys this game thoroughly and wants to see it improve. I don't believe there is ever a point in which something is so loved that improvement is out of the question, in fact I think that should inspire the creators to strive for greatness. Popularity is not the objective, or at least it shouldn't be at this point. What needs to be addressed is the relationship between the consumers and producers in relation to this game. Riot seems to want to create the illusion of PR but tends to turn a blind eye to the community whenever they are criticized. Yes, they do respond to some of these posts, and they allow the posts to be here, but there isn't any power in the voice. There are only a handful of changes, if that, that the community has been able to inspire in riot over the game's lifetime. I simply want clarity on this relationship. Like any good relationship, communication is key. This is me simply asking "where are we?" to riot. I don't expect any changes to be made, what I expect is clarity. summoner 13

Hello,

As many know, the star guardian skin line is experiencing some backlash from the community due to the fact that there aren't going to be any purified forms of the star guardian skins. Personally, I am very disappointed about this fact, but even more so on what it means for the future of this game. I feel that the riot team is doing an awful lot of hearing without listening. Let me show you three major mistakes the riot team are making and how they refuse to listen to the player-base.

URF vs ARURF one of the most loved game-modes in league of legends, when URF was released it would be the height of the season. Yes, there were major balance issues (Karthus I'm looking at you) but there was so much more to it than balance. We, as a community were angry about a few champions that stuck out and were too powerful compared to the rest of the champion roster, almost exactly like how the community reacts to overpowered champions in the normal summoners rift 5v5. I feel that the balance team could release game-mode specific balance changes like they did with ARAM. Not only were the problems worth the effort to fix, riot decided that the community doesn't know what they want and that riot should be in control of both the producers and the consumers. You can find countless examples of fans, YouTubers, and streamers wishing that URF would come back. ARURF is not a valid substitute for URF, and never will be. The ability to choose a champion that you love to play or that would be fun to play allows for a better experience. Instead, we are forced to reroll until we get the more powerful picks. The thing is this does more to hurt the balance of the game, it incentivises laziness on the balance aspect and increases demand for the OP picks. If we were given the freedom to choose, we would eventually get bored of all the top power picks and move on to things that are more fun. This also allows YouTubers to make content based on specific champions in URF which I'm sure they would be happy with. The community has repeatedly asked for URF to be brought back, but it has remained a ghost for years, and will be for years to come.

The FF Movement (For Fun Movement) Viewers of rossboomsocks know that he is leading what he calls the FF Movement. this movement's purpose is to bring fun back into the game, and it is probably the most needed thing in league. Riot has turned league from a game into a job, its player-base is focused on getting better at the game, spending hours a day in multiple games trying to climb up as climbing is the only thing to do now in league. Currently, there is only one game-mode available that doesn't have a ranked system in place, ARAM. ARAM is objectively a fun game-mode, it allows people to branch out and learn new characters and also allows people to try out crazy builds that only work due to the creep xp and the increased gold generation. The problem is that ARAM's main purpose is to level up accounts, especially smurf accounts to the proper level and then they join the ranked world. There is a children's book I am very fond of that involves thousands of caterpillars climbing on top of each-other on a pillar of caterpillars going into the clouds. The problem is that there is nothing beyond the clouds. once you get to the top of the pillar all you get is the knowledge that you are on the top of the pillar, there is no reward, only knowledge. The ranked system can be very similar to this, as the only reward you get for making it up there is the fact that you are on top, not to mention the very slow pace of climbing that makes it much more effort than its worth is most cases. I want to remind everyone of Nexus Blitz. Nexus Blitz is one of the most fun but balanced game-modes yet produced. It truly works to be as fun as possible, people loved it and were excited to hear that is was likely to become a permanent game-mode, yet here we are today with no Nexus Blitz, or any rotating game mode. League of Legends is no longer trying to be fun. The FF movement tries to circumvent the problem by doing crazy builds during streams, or behaving in odd ways, or finding unique objectives in the game, not caring whether he wins or loses, but whether he has fun or not. This is a great way to approach a game that often hosts the "win or don't play" mentality. the truth of the matter is that riot is too lazy to provide the fun for its community, and lets the content creators create the fun, meaning that if you were to just play the game without watching YouTube or Twitch, you would be left with nothing but "Climb, Climb, Climb!"

Star Guardian Skins I feel like this part is pretty self explanatory: riot doesn't want to spend resources to make a profit, at least not more resources to make MORE profit. in a statement made on the PBE community network, riot stated that purified versions of the star guardian Xayah and Rakan skins "wouldn't make sense" due to animation concerns or voice line concerns. This is what angers me the most. there is no reason that these rules should apply to these skins and not the other star guardian skins. Do you think that Soraka's lines work with her star guardian skin? Poppy's? and even their newest skin, Zoe? Her lines do not fit the role they have her play in star guardian lore at all, and yet she gets a skin. the animations of countless skins do not go with their models, or chromas and yet they exist. Riot can't even update voice lines for Varus that would actually match the character they claim to create. This is not riot trying to respect the player, this is riot being arrogant enough to think that they can speak for their player-base. you wouldn't want this from another corporation, why would you accept this in your games. Where are the focus groups, where is the ability to inspire change, to inspire greatness?

Ultimately, I have become disappointed in a game that helped me get through highschool, that helped strengthen the bond between me and my best friend, and that provided me a place to have fun, enjoy life, and learn to deal with criticism. This game means so much to me which is why I feel abandoned by the lack of League within League of Legends. I'm not asking for change, I'm not asking for people to agree or disagree, I'm asking for closure.

Thank you for your time, Soul of Melodies [sona-playing]

13 Comments

Dr Birb7 votes

Nothing would fit with purified versions, they would need to make new recalls, vfx, sfx, vo, every other aspect. Not to mention the SG lore. Lets throw the long planned continuation for SG lore, cus masses wants a worse version of skin. From the fact that they're corrupted to the Rakan plan to sacrifice himself for Xayah doesnt fit. Its just masses being stupid as most masses. U all would throw all the aspects of LEGENDARY skins they get just for a look. And good skins (legendaries) are smth more than looks. Stop being entilted, consumers are not always right (especially when talking about solution to problem), and mby start carring about more important things like Rakan q changeing him to light version only for 1 sec out of its 3s duration or the lack of PvE or any other content in lol.

Soul of Melodies2 votes

I'm not asking for the removal or addition of anything. I'm just saying that their reasoning isn't consistent with their normal content creation. things haven't fit with skins in the past Is what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out the reversal of policy.

Oleandervine5 votes

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Nothing would fit with purified versions, they would need to make new recalls, vfx, sfx, vo, every other aspect. Not to mention the SG lore. Lets throw the long planned continuation for SG lore, cus masses wants a worse version of skin. From the fact that they're corrupted to the Rakan plan to sacrifice himself for Xayah doesnt fit. Its just masses being stupid as most masses. U all would throw all the aspects of LEGENDARY skins they get just for a look. And good skins (legendaries) are smth more than looks. Stop being entilted, consumers are not always right (especially when talking about solution to problem), and mby start carring about more important things like Rakan q changeing him to light version only for 1 sec out of its 3s duration or the lack of PvE or any other content in lol.

First things first - literally no one I can think of asked for corrupted Star Guardians. I've seen people who wanted champs to become Star Guardians, and people who wanted a line of villains for the series. People were expecting the villains to be campy villains like in most early animes like Sailor Moon, not moody angry teenagers who were pissed their friends let them die to a demon child who they're now besties with.

Chromas are simple recolorations that don't fit with anything else about the skin. They're used quite frequently to give skins a new look. Or how about we talk about actual skins like Sinful Succulence Morgana, that uses the base Morgana VFX despite being her in a baking outfit. Or how about literally any skin that's part of a VGU that Riot didn't bring up to their own pricing standards with the appropriate VFX and SFX? Why is it suddenly cataclysmically bad for Riot to make skins or versions of skins that don't mesh with VFX/SFX when it comes to these new skins, but they get a cold hard pass when they fuck up VGU skins that needed specific VFX/SFX?

The point here is that Riot has ignored the "meshes with animations/VFX/SFX" line constantly over the years. They have ignored it when called out on it because "Ahmahgerd, we thought that skin wasn't 975RP, we thought it was 520 RP" or "We didn't want to waste time getting the VGU out," etc, etc.

Also, people are not being entitled. Riot fucked up this skin line, pretty dramatically. They pretty much shit on consumer expectations here, and they're being belligerent about standing their ground despite backlash. It can take an intern like a day or two to pump out a Chroma that's a purified version. It also doesn't seem to take them long AT ALL to pump out the constant carousel of prestige skins either, so spare us the tripe about "too much work to change particles." It wasn't too much work when they cranked out Solar and Lunar Eclipse Diana with recolored particles, so why is it so fucking hard to do here all of a sudden?

Dr Birb1 votes

literally no one I can think of asked for corrupted Star Guardians. Ppl dont choose how riot skin lines look. SG is not just blant skin line, theres a lore which gives diversity in SG line, the Zoe corrupting X and R fits. SG is not being anime kawaii, SG is other unvierse with Star Guardians and whatever else is in it as I wasnt interested in it before. At this point this whole discussion has no sense, just everywhere u go ppl are complaining about it, like theres no better thing to complain about (hm idk lack of pve???) ... Here masses are just being typical masses, prefering blindly look over every aspect these skins bring... Well, riot wont do that so can we as community focus on PvE, or real problems of these skins (Rakan q purifying him only for 1 second out of q 3)?

Barduo4 votes

Yessss RossBoomSocks, I really love that guy. Thanks to him I've had so so much fun playing league compared to a few months ago before I subscribed to him, he's honestly a legend.

Shieda Kayn3 votes

Pretty funny of them to use the thematic thing as an excuse to not give them the highly requested chromas when giving them chromas at all goes against the thematic of magical girls. Same way giving Infernal skins chromas goes against their thematic of being all fire and lava, or Blood Moon chromas against the thematic of blood moon...

Lmao the only reason we're not getting purified chromas is probably because they'd need to tweak the models and they're too lazy to do that. Fitting into the thematic has obviously never been a concern for them when it comes to chromas.

Sir Saltarin2 votes

It's not about the skin, it's about sending a message

Beetle Blast2 votes

Sounds like someone could use another Lux skin!

For real though, it's great to see people are starting to become aware of the FF movement. League of Legends seriously needs more gamemodes other then the following:

Yell at your teammates cause nothing is your fault The 3v3 gamemode that has been worked on for a long time that is now being retired A random gamemode where it actually isn't random and you can manipulate it in your favour and TFT (I really don't need to spin the words on this one)

I mostly play ARAM as I find it more enjoyable then the rest but I seriously wish we can have more innovative gamemodes...let alone a PvE mode...

Spear of Justice2 votes

Yeah let's make a normal star guardian skin for xayah because a sparky all happy skin would fit her. Have any of you ever played xayah or zoe? These skins fit them much better than the normal sg skins would. Xayah is edgy to begin with and zoe is just chaotic. And rakan just got tossed into the mix because they finally came up with a proper story for the skin line.

But you are right let's make chromas that wouldn't fit the skin at all. Screw the lore and the well made skins because the community wants to give sailor moon skins to everyone no matter if that wouldn't fit them at all. [sg-shisa]

Shieda Kayn2 votes

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Yeah let's make a normal star guardian skin for xayah because a sparky all happy skin would fit her. Have any of you ever played xayah or zoe? These skins fit them much better than the normal sg skins would. Xayah is edgy to begin with and zoe is just chaotic. And rakan just got tossed into the mix because they finally came up with a proper story for the skin line.

But you are right let's make chromas that wouldn't fit the skin at all. Screw the lore and the well made skins because the community wants to give sailor moon skins to everyone no matter if that wouldn't fit them at all. [sg-shisa]

It doesn't fit Jinx either then by your criteria yet there she is. Also ever heard of Arclight/Justicar skins. They're the embodiment of not-lore-friendly, and that's the POINT of a lot of skins. Besides if you think magical girls are inherently happy and sparkly and that only a few very specific types of character can become one, I've got to break it to you...

Pope Phillis III2 votes

The "It doesn't fit" argument is bullshit because of what they did with arcade this year. Yasuo did not fit the established theme of Battle Boss or arcade at all (and frankly the Yasuo skin is the laziest skin Riot has released this year). The argument could also be made for Qiyana, but she at least had a model and effects that were relatively close to the others (even if she is just a human in a costume).

Busty Demon2 votes

SG Xayah and Rakan have chromas right now on PBE. Lol i guess GREEN is more "edgy" than the pure chroma would be. Lol.

Hunkmenlordy1 votes

It's not about the skin it's about the champion special interaction, some of them are just so spamming and useless, even out of cahracter, I heard there is only one person works on that part, it would be why some special interactions sounds so unprofessional.

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