Champion ultimate manacost standardisation

Eppelke·12/21/2014, 12:21:43 PM·6 votes·1,052 views

A while ago a lot of champs got their ults manacosts set to 100 mana like all modern champs, riot stated that an ult should be limited by its cooldown and not also manacost.

Yet after some promising changes to champs you stopped while there are still a lot of champs whose ults cost a lot more then 100 mana, some even at level 1.

Example: Jarvan Vi Twitch Sona Veigar Karthus Twisted Fate Amumu Zilean Zyra Orianna Draven Warwick Skarner Singed Pantheon

Some people argued that for example Karthus ult would be to powerfull to have 100 manacost, but keep in mind it already has a 200s cooldown. Also counterpart ultimates have had their manacost reduced in the past (Brand, Viktor, Fiddle).

Could you do some testing and see if we could lower the ult manacosts of these champs to modern cost?

5 Comments

Abyssphere12/21/2014, 10:37:41 PM2 votes

There are a couple of ultimates where I support leaving a high mana cost, primarily global ones and Zilean's, but I could get behind reducing them all. Some ults having climbing mana costs is just really weird - why does Zyra's scale up to a number as random as 140? I have no idea why they stopped standardising them.

Teridax6812/21/2014, 4:09:04 PM1 votes

I completely support this. It makes no sense to go standardizing mana costs and stop halfway through. A few of these, namely Zilean's Chronoshift and Singed's Insanity Potion, might not even need a mana cost in the first place (Chronoshift is meant to be a clutch-save ult in the same manner as Kayle 's Intervention, which is free, and Insanity Potion restores mana, so it makes little sense to consume mana in order to replenish it). If these changes somehow make these champions too powerful, it would be better to look at what makes each case too strong and balance it (at worst, just up the champion's mana cost or decrease their base mana or regen) than to stay with their current state of non-standard mana costs.

For the sake of fairness, I'd also recommend upping the cost of ults with similarly high cooldowns but with costs less than 100 (but nonzero). Vayne is the only example I can think of (Final Hour costs 80 mana), and I think she could easily be fine with just a base mana increase, or just no buff at all. Alternatively, considering her ultimate encourages her to get into very risky combat, I'd say it could even have its mana cost removed outright.

B1naryB0t12/21/2014, 10:13:17 PM1 votes

To be fair, as for Zilean, with max CDR and level, with the combo of rewind, it has a CD of 28 seconds. It lasts 7 seconds. So in theory, he could be able to revive 25% of the time.

He really DOESN'T need a decreased mana cost too.