I have been playing ap ezreal support and because ezreal is my favourite champ, i love playing him. i build ap and poke as much as i can and play him like an ap mage support.
But i get death threats, report threats, etc...
If i continue to play 
would i get banned eventually
Chønklord3 votesNo.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-06-06T10:21:17.956+0000)
No.
yes. ask the guy who got banned for playing support singed without comminicating his pick to his team.
the problem wasnt that he played support singed. the problem was, that he just locked in the pick without saying anything, and despite his team not wanting him to pick it.
if op keeps picking support ezreal against the wishes of his team, he has to expect the same happening to him.
the problem isnt the off meta pick. but riot has decided that team decisions outweight your own personal wishes.
Starcraft243ver1 votesNo, the problem is that he was leaving his adc alone, not building a sightstone AND taking a smite. He wasnt playing "support". He was playing some weird proxy + invade strategy.
Critmaster Garen2 votesNo, the problem is that he was leaving his adc alone, not building a sightstone AND taking a smite. He wasnt playing "support". He was playing some weird proxy + invade strategy.
this in itself is still not punishable either. for example, the enemy couldnt just report him for this strategy. that would be silly.
the problem was miscommunication and disagreement with his teammates. provoking this kind of disagreement on your team is toxic behaviour, ends up disrupting the game and reduces your teams chances of winning.
he was forcing his entire team to play around his pick. even when his team was not ok with it.
its the same for support ezreal. no matter how you twist it. op doesnt pick an actual support, because ezreal simply cant work as a support. he doesnt have the kit for it. hes picking a second adc, just like the other guy essentially picked a second jungler.
imo its also a huge difference if he picks this champion in ranked games or normals. while in normals it shouldnt be punishable, the ranked que is not just for players who want to have fun.
its the competitive que where your focus should be to win the game and help your team advance more than to fuck around. if youre clearly picking a terrible champion into a position you know he wont work well in just to have fun in a competitive gamemode, then hell yes you should get slammed with the ban hammer. youre gimping yourself and your teams chances of winning and advancing for your personal enjoyment.
for those casual "fun" games were you just play whatever you want are separate ques like blind pick, normal draft, and arams.
but if you que up for ranked games, youre not just playing a game, youre participating in esports.
Chønklord1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-06T10:34:33.542+0000)
this in itself is still not punishable either. for example, the enemy couldnt just report him for this strategy. that would be silly.
the problem was miscommunication and disagreement with his teammates. provoking this kind of disagreement on your team is toxic behaviour, ends up disrupting the game and reduces your teams chances of winning.
Logical fallacy: someone, somewhere, will always disagree with a champ pick in any given solo queue -- particularly Ranked mode. You cannot force a player to play a champion or style you or anyone else demands of them, regardless of their assigned role.
That sort of thinking is selfish entitlement and adherence to a narrow-minded, dogmatic approach that restricts creative freedom and outside the box thinking.
Case in point; there is always someone either questioning my choice to play udyr top, yi mid, darius supp, et al, or worse yet flaming, harassing and threatening to troll and/or report me for said picks. Should I be constrained to always have to compromise my enjoyment of league and allow someone else to take control over my agency to play what I want, then I would never (or very rarely) be able to enjoy the game how I please.
That is unjust and unfair to the individual player. And yes, we are all individual players, comprising a greater whole of a gaming community. But if you limit individual freedom and agency, you therefore limit the community freedom and agency for off-meta as well.
he was forcing his entire team to play around his pick. even when his team was not ok with it.
Or his team was forcing him to adhere to a rigid "meta game".
its the same for support ezreal. no matter how you twist it. op doesnt pick an actual support, because ezreal simply cant work as a support. he doesnt have the kit for it. hes picking a second adc, just like the other guy essentially picked a second jungler.
You are not required by any guideline or rule -- either of the community's or Riot's -- to pick a "support" class champion for the support role, or any other lane champion for that matter.
Case in point: Lucian mid (LCS/LCK?), Ziggs bot (Shiphtur in Ranked Solo Q), Morg Support (old season was a mid laner), and the list goes on.
Ezreal may not be an atypical support class champion with hard/soft CC engage/disengage, but you are entitled to play any champion you want in support (or other lane) so long as you fulfill that role. I.e. if you play Lulu jungle, you have to farm the jungle and do jungler things; if you play darius support, you have to provide support for your team in terms of healing/wards/poke/disengage/engage/cc whatever you can do.
imo its also a huge difference if he picks this champion in ranked games or normals. while in normals it shouldnt be punishable, the ranked que is not just for players who want to have fun.
That's just your opinion. The official consensus and stance by Riot, is all game modes are there to have fun; the only difference between Ranked and other modes, is that it is a competitive mode, and others are casual mode. The goal of league is to have fun; the objective of league is to win games. You are NOT punished for losing games.
its the competitive que where your focus should be to win the game and help your team advance more than to fuck around. if youre clearly picking a terrible champion into a position you know he wont work well in just to have fun in a competitive gamemode, then hell yes you should get slammed with the ban hammer. youre gimping yourself and your teams chances of winning and advancing for your personal enjoyment.
Again, personally biased opinion.
You can play off-meta seriously. Case in point, I only play Ranked and I play off-meta in 99% of my games, be it roles, builds, or champions.
for those casual "fun" games were you just play whatever you want are separate ques like blind pick, normal draft, and arams.
but if you que up for ranked games, youre not just playing a game, youre participating in esports.
Yes, you are still participating in a game. The only requirement for playing in League in terms of not trolling, is that you actively participate in each queue'd game, and try your best to win the game without toxicity or griefing.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-06T13:04:55.011+0000)
Logical fallacy
there is no logical fallacy here. im talking about a specific case of the majority of the team disagreeing with an off meta pick, and the lack of communication of this pick to your own team.
im not talking about a single fucking player not liking your pick.
That sort of thinking is _selfish entitlement
selfish entitlement would be thinking that you can pick whatever the fuck you want without regard to your own team for your own personal ammusement at the detriment of the chances of winning the game in a competitive que
Case in point; there is always someone either questioning my choice to play udyr top, yi mid, darius supp, et al, or worse yet flaming
and not communicating your pick choice to your teammates will result in toxicity because of that. if its just a single player not liking your pick youre not forced to switch.
again. its a majority decision.
That is unjust and unfair to the individual player.
well suck it up, because this is a TEAM GAME and team choices have precidence over individual choices. if you dont like it, dont que up for ranked games.
Chønklord1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-06T13:46:48.038+0000)
there is no logical fallacy here. im talking about a specific case of the majority of the team disagreeing with an off meta pick, and the lack of communication of this pick to your own team.
Majority of the team, 2 other players, one other person, or no one; it does not matter anyone else's demands, you are not required nor can you be punished for not heeding them. So long as you communicate your intention to the team, and attempt to assuage their fears over your off-meta pick, then all is fine. If they choose to continue harassing/griefing/arguing with you over it, they are either free to dodge the queue or continue playing the game.
Tell me, which of the two is the more morally insidious:
I'll give you a hint. One of them negatively impacts everyone (including the mob) both morally and empirically; the other only negatively affects the "mob" emotionally.
im not talking about a single fucking player not liking your pick.
selfish entitlement would be thinking that you can pick whatever the fuck you want without regard to your own team for your own personal ammusement at the detriment of the chances of winning the game in a competitive que
False. Selfish entitlement is other, completely random strangers having the audacity to dictate what you can and cannot play in a game of 5 random strangers put together. And yes, league is here for all our personal "amusement" and entertainment; not just yours and not just mine.
If the rules and guidelines set forth by Riot specifically stated something along the lines of: "at no such time will any player do anything outside of the ordinary, as dictated by whatever basic, standardized and cookie-cutter 'meta-game' that season, that player will be punished for going against any stranger's demands that they conform to the status quo" -- then you'd have an actual argument. But it does not say anything remotely like that.
Your chances of winning a game are roughly 50/50 when you load into the nexus fountain, regardless of champion picks. At a micro level of course, there are champion counterpicks in lobby, and this actually is where off-meta decisions tend to excel, because they can throw the enemy team offguard quite easily, especially to an experienced off-meta player.
The champions you pick do not always guarantee success or failure, it's highly dependent on your individual skill level and your mental fortitude as a person to weather through hard match-ups or early game setbacks. Picks rarely have anything to do with the outcome; instead, the more likely scenario is other players becoming aggravated and toxic before the game has even loaded -- because they simply cannot handle, cannot fathom someone playing outside of their narrow-minded view of how league "should be played".
and not communicating your pick choice to your teammates will result in toxicity because of that. if its just a single player not liking your pick youre not forced to switch.
again. its a majority decision.
Again, wrong. This is not mob rule / herd mentality -- you are playing with four other completely randomized individual human beings with their own abilities, decision making and desires. No one individual's demands are greater than another; and because of this, since the guidelines set forth by Riot are purposefully vague, open-ended and actually encourage experimentation and creativity with champion picks and builds, you have personal choice as to what you play and how you play it -- so long as you actually play and do your best with it.
Sure, you can and should communicate with your lobby teammates pre-game, but the final decision is yours and yours alone, and you are not liable to be punished simply because someone else or even everyone else in your queue disagrees with you. That is not a just, moral or fairly balance way to govern individual player choice.
well suck it up, because this is a TEAM GAME and team choices have precidence over individual choices. if you dont like it, dont que up for ranked games.
Just because it is a team game, does not mean mob mentality rules. Remember, what is "meta" today can shift just as easily into "off-meta" tomorrow; things from previous seasons that are still very viable and possible to play for a variety of roles and builds, can still be played today even though now considered "off-meta" or "out of meta".
For example: if you are a player who just started League this season, and began playing Ranked, you would have a much more limited concept in your mind of the "meta-game" and how League is or "should" be played, versus someone with many more years of experience.
Then you also delve into the aspect of OTP's or diehard champion mains, who perform their best with one maybe two champions and fervently play them more consistently than most other players would in any given season. These players now also are under fire for "off-meta playing" partly because of auto-fill, and greatly in part because of those, like yourself, that abhor anything you believe to be subpar by some ethereal standard created in an osmosis-like trickle down from LCS, twitch streamers, Korean players, and the like.
Off-meta, out-of-meta, meta; it makes no difference what you play and where you play it; it makes all the difference on how you work together with any given team composition both emotionally, and mentally. It is more important to keep calm, cool, collected, regardless of what your random queue'd teammates choose to play or how to play it.
##Infact, the burden of toxicity actually lays with the players who start harassing and griefing another for playing off-meta -- and it starts in champ select. If I pick something foreign to your concept/worldview of "proper league play", and you immediately begin to rage with anger, frustration and harass me; it is you who is liable to be penalized, particularly if you exhibit that in the in-game chat or by trolling out of some adolescent need to show your "displeasure" in not having everyone follow your ideology.
Lauchmelder1 votesHe didn't get banned for playing support Singed though.
Chønklord1 votesthe problem isnt the off meta pick. but riot has decided that team decisions outweight your own personal wishes.
No, they never actually gave any concrete statement saying "if you do this and someone in your queue disagrees with your pick, we will ban you".
They said they support off-meta picks _so long as players communicate with each other about what their pick/playstyle intent is. They also said players that show up on their radar for having X number of reports against them will be investigated into, and if necessary, communicate with said player on what they can do differently to smooth things out with their teammates when going off-meta.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=000300000002,timestamp=2017-06-06T11:01:15.014+0000)
No, they never actually gave any concrete statement saying "if you do this and someone in your queue disagrees with your pick, we will ban you".
not "someone". i dont think youll get banned when a single person on your team disagrees.
but they did state in the past when its the majority.
They said they support off-meta picks _so long as players communicate with each other about what their pick/playstyle intent is. They also said players that show up on their radar for having X number of reports against them will be investigated into, and if necessary, communicate with said player on what they can do differently to smooth things out with their teammates when going off-meta.
thats exacty what i said.
Professor Ward1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=000300000002,timestamp=2017-06-06T11:01:15.014+0000)
No, they never actually gave any concrete statement saying "if you do this and someone in your queue disagrees with your pick, we will ban you".
They said they support off-meta picks _so long as players communicate with each other about what their pick/playstyle intent is. They also said players that show up on their radar for having X number of reports against them will be investigated into, and if necessary, communicate with said player on what they can do differently to smooth things out with their teammates when going off-meta.
So they said all this about communication whilst allowing me to mute my entire team including pings? Makes a literal fuck of sense
Critmaster Garen1 votesSo they said all this about communication whilst allowing me to mute my entire team including pings? Makes a literal fuck of sense
it DOESNT make any fucking sense, and its one of the reasons ive been against ping muting from the start.
its the minimal form of communication, that still allows you to coordinate yourself with your team.
i already know that some idiots are going into games from the start with "/mute all" and mute their allies pings aswell every game. its only a matter of time until this becomes a serious discussion. because its a huge fucking contadiction to their ban policies.
they could have worked on reducing peoples capabilitites of ping spamming, like there is already a cap on how many pings you can issue. just improve the system from there.
instead they introduced this bullshit because some idiots got their feelings hurt because they got spammed pinged by their allies after a bad play.
Dreampod3 votesYou can play Ez support and probably won't get banned if you communicate your strategy, but you shouldn't unless you are at least playing normals or with a duo AD partner.
Ez doesn't offer any of the utility in buffs or control that is expected out of the support role and scales extremely poorly without gold. That means you are deliberately choosing to put your team at a significant disadvantage solely for your preference rather than exploring some actual support champions and finding one you enjoy as well. It is a very selfish and disrespectful thing to do in a team game and very easy to see how other players could see this as throwing the game or trying to hold the rest of the team hostage and legitimately report you, even if this isn't punishable.
You should strongly consider whether doing something that ruins the game for 4-9 other people, but isn't technically forbidden, simply because you find it entertaining is something that corresponds to the kind of person you want to be.
Critmaster Garen2 votesits banable when your team disagrees. riot has mentioned this in the past.
in principle off meta pick arent forbidden. if people were forced to pick the same champions into every position, the game could never evolve and would get stale. the key is communication.
for example my usual support pick is actually 
which is somewhat off meta, but can work due to the amount of utility he provides in form of cc and objective control (like taking drakes with feast). but i usually make sure that my team knows WHY i pick this particular champion into support, and that theyre fine with it.
remember that singed support main who got banned? yea, it was for the same reason. he just picked and auto locked it every game without consent of his team.
if everyone on your team doesnt want you to pick this champion into support, and you pick him anyways, then yes. eventually youll get punished.
youll probably get a warning first though.
honestly though, is a fucking terrible choice for a support and i wouldnt want one on my team either. you dont have item independent scaling or any form of utility to contribute to your team.
there is no way to make ezreal not shit on a support budget.
Unlimities4 votesin that perspective, what if let's say i wanted to play master yi jungle (which is played often) but my whole team didn't want me to play it
would this case still be reportable for not communicating also?
Critmaster Garen1 votesin that perspective, what if let's say i wanted to play master yi jungle (which is played often) but my whole team didn't want me to play it
would this case still be reportable for not communicating also?
probably, yes. its not an off meta pick, or even a clear off meta pick like your ezreal. so this would probably happen very very rarely, and you dont get banned for going against your teams a couple of games.
its more when you show this behaviour a certain % of the games youre playing.
Chønklord1 votesNo. You have complete agency over your champion selection, item build paths, etc. So long as you perform the functions of your role (top laner plays top, jungler does jungle things, so on).
No one gets to dictate to you what you can and cannot play or how you can and cannot play League.
Although it is a team game, being a team oriented game does not inherently mean you have to bow to the demands of any tom dick or jane that cries foul at your decisions in lobby or in-game. Disagreements are not punishable, because someone will always be disagreeing with something you do (especially in this community).
Coopa1232 votesThe guy you replied to is wrong.
As long as you play the role you were assigned to nothing will happen, doesn't matter if the team agrees or not. If you play AP Ezreal support just like you would play any other Mage support (i.e Brand, Lux, Veigar, Zyra etc) you'll be fine. It becomes a problem when you play for example Singed support with smite and invade the enemy jungle half the time leaving your adc alone.
People won't like it but who cares.
Another problem with off meta picks is if it's straight up impossible. If you play AD champions with no AP scalings and just build them AP anyway that's a problem.
Ezreal has AP scalings on every abilty. He can deal a lot of damage and he has enough poke to justifiably play him as a support. Sure he has practically no utility but honestly who cares. Don't worry about.
Keep playing Ezreal support
Unlimities1 votesSo from what i read, refusing to communicate is a factor to this topic.
What if in a scenario where i picked ezreal support and i get threats of this and that (and toxicity), if i mute them wouldn't the overview of this scenario come out like i completely refused to communicate with teammates and become reportable?
Critmaster Garen1 votesSo from what i read, refusing to communicate is a factor to this topic.
What if in a scenario where i picked ezreal support and i get threats of this and that (and toxicity), if i mute them wouldn't the overview of this scenario come out like i completely refused to communicate with teammates and become reportable?
you cant mute people in pre game chat.
so if your teammates stay silent to your pick until the game already started, its assumed that they agreed to it.
if you dont show pick intent or do and just lock in the pick, and your team overwhelmingly disagrees in the pre game lobby, then it should be considered toxic behaviour.
ƒrostγ1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-06T10:48:11.022+0000)
you cant mute people in pre game chat.
so if your teammates stay silent to your pick until the game already started, its assumed that they agreed to it.
if you dont show pick intent or do and just lock in the pick despite your team disagreeing in the pre game lobby, then it should be considered toxic behaviour.
Errr that's not true. It happened to me several times that a butthurt guy banned out the champ I wanted to play because he got autofilled and I didn't wanted to swap. Since then I never show my pick intent.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Prince,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-06T10:50:16.442+0000)
Errr that's not true. It happened to me several times that a butthurt guy banned out the champ I wanted to play because he got autofilled and I didn't wanted to swap. Since then I never show my pick intent.
tbh. i dont even know how riot handles people banning allied pick intents.
its an iffy situation. one one hand it can be a dick move, on the other hand it can be entirely justified if the person who shows pick intent is last pick and he showed a power pick thats pick/ban in the current meta, and he just wants to prevent the enemy team fromgetting that pick before your guy even gets the chance.
Chønklord2 votesAlso wrong. Riot Support has clearly stated to me that you are not required to chat in lobby or in-game. And also now we can mute all pings and all chat, thereby completely eliminating all avenues of communication with other players. It is Riot sanctioned.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iy5MVpo1,comment-id=000200000001000000000001,timestamp=2017-06-06T13:52:03.945+0000)
Also wrong. Riot Support has clearly stated to me that you are not required to chat in lobby or in-game. And also now we can mute all pings and all chat, thereby completely eliminating all avenues of communication with other players. It is Riot sanctioned.
what youre expecting here to be allowed is the equivalent of signing up for a sports tournament, and then fucking around and doing your own thing on the playing field, while ignoring the strategy the rest of your team has decided on.
in any other team game, this automatically means a ban from the playing field and getting thrown out of the team.
why dont you play ball in your back yard instead? why do you insist to do this in the only serious gamemode available when there are like 5 casual gamemodes available to you?
Chønklord1 votesSolo Que Ranked or Otherwise, is not a sports tournament or even close to the equivalent. A better analogy would be: Ranked is a "pickup game" with strangers on a basketball court; and LCS is a finely honed team with years of practice together as one unit.
To continue using your analogy instead, it also has another faulty premise: that the rules/guidelines explicitly state that you are not allowed to experiment on your own on the playing field. In fact, the only "set strategy" in your version, would be the tournament hosts saying "go out on the playing field and have fun; it's going to be a 5 v 5 format and you can use whatever gear you want so long as you play your hardest and try to win for the team".
The type of game mode_does not matter_; nowhere in League whether it be on Riot's website, from Riot employee posts or anywhere else, does it state "Ranked is serious mode only and you can only play this way or else". All modes are here to enjoy the game and have fun; one is simply a mode that enables players to climb a ladder and gain "rank"; the others lack that feature. Hence one is "competitive" and the other is "casual" -- but neither of them have any strict rules in regard to what you play or how you play it.
Chønklord1 votesIf they harass you, say nothing. mute them, report them end of game. They will be punished for harassment and toxicity.
Chønklord2 votesits banable when your team disagrees. riot has mentioned this in the past.
Incorrect.
remember that singed support main who got banned? yea, it was for the same reason. he just picked and auto locked it every game without consent of his team.
Incorrect. His ban was overturned.
if everyone on your team doesnt want you to pick this champion into support, and you pick him anyways, then yes. eventually youll get punished.
Incorrect. You cannot be punished for "tactical disagreements"; aka you have player agency over your champion choice in your given lane/role. So long as you fulfill that role to the best of your abilities with your pick, and do not "steal" anyone else's role, but this rule also applies to "meta" picks regardless.
honestly though, is a fucking terrible choice for a support and i wouldnt want one on my team either. you dont have item independent scaling or any form of utility to contribute to your team.
Your opinion on the pick is inconsequential to the context of this OP's question; if AP ezreal support is what they enjoy and works for them, more power to them.
You are not mandated to always have roles provide specific things like Cc, utility, etc.
CppL1 votesNo.unless you feeding prety often then maybe
Chønklord1 votesOnly if you are intentionally feeding. Which goes for any play, off-meta or otherwise.
Decimús1 votesIts not bannable in any case , just go for it :) Respect for all other bros who play their mains in off meta roles !
ƒrostγ1 votesif you aren't trolling then you won't get banned. Ignore them and focus on the game. Though the truth is, I can understand why your team is tilting. If you like Ap EZ, play him mid. Much better and no one will flame you.
ƒrostγ1 votesAnd one more advice...
Don't play so many random champions in RANKED games omfg. You'll never get out of silver if you keep doing that. You have really good winrate on Ez and Lucian so keep playing only them. Master them as much as you can and you'll soon get to gold or even above.
The Fuzzy 0ne1 votesEzreal has never been a conventional pick as support but he does provide good poke so as long as you're not going out of your way to interfere with your adc, you probably won't get banned but he's really not geared to be a support... He's got no cc at all, only poke, and is super squishy so I can understand why your teammates might think you're trolling with that pick.
At the end of the day, if you get reported enough you will get tagged as a player who makes the game less fun for others and therefore encourages toxicity... not your fault really just the people you play with who don't want to deal with an Ez support </3
DunkinNoobs1 votesNo, but it probably should be (at least in ranked), especially if you don't have the stats to justify picking it. If you play a bunch of Ezreal support in ranked and you end up having a 30% winrate with it, continuing to pick it is basically griefing your team by refusing to take ranked seriously.