Everyone has been in a game lobby where the first person the last pick player says is "Not support"
When it comes right down to it that person will pick a duplicate role that has already been filled in spite of the team.
What are we supposed to do about those people?
Noctius285 votesPersonally I am bad as a support, like painfully bad, one time as blitz I pulled the enemy wukong with ulti to our team that was a hit away from dying... yeah I gave the enemy a penta...
So I am one of those people that will not go support no matter what, I do more harm then good for the team, so sorry but I will never be support even if last
And would you be mad if someone said "anything but mid"?
No because there is always someone who wants to go there, so you dont get mad, but you do when someone doesnt want to go support? dude if you can support then you go, I am fully aware of how bad I am as support so I will not damage the team like that
1011001110003 votesPersonally, I get mad when someone calls "anything but X" in normals, because:
A) All 4 of us will call everything else
B) That person won't even bother learning the role in a normal game
It's a stark refusal to at the very least be something more than "mediocre" at the roles available so that you're not totally clueless which is really irritating, and that goes for everything.
I for example, dislike adc. I find the entire concept of the role rather sad because if one adc beats the other during laning, the losing adc will have the oddest trouble trying to come back to speed, and it forces a defensive playstyle from the get-go. Yet I've had to adc numerous times. I know how to cs as an adc, trade okayishly, and I have a fairly extensive roster of adc champions available if I ever actually need to adc.
If you're liable to get stuck with a role you're not good at in Ranked, at the very least try not to be completely incompetent at it. It's going to happen some day and you should be prepared for it.
Shocking1 votesI agree, but I would like to point out that if this was bronze or silver, it wouldn't matter. The only people complaining would be the people who are permanently stuck in bronze/silver Kappa
1011001110001 votesElo/mmr shouldn't really be an excuse for a person not to learn every role to a certain extent. At one point or another, I think ranked bronze players don't simply because they are unaware that they have to. No one really explains to them the necessity or utility, and they just never find out.
Get Rekkkt8 votesPersonally I am bad as a support, like painfully bad, one time as blitz I pulled the enemy wukong with ulti to our team that was a hit away from dying... yeah I gave the enemy a penta...
So I am one of those people that will not go support no matter what, I do more harm then good for the team, so sorry but I will never be support even if last
And would you be mad if someone said "anything but mid"?
No because there is always someone who wants to go there, so you dont get mad, but you do when someone doesnt want to go support? dude if you can support then you go, I am fully aware of how bad I am as support so I will not damage the team like that
honestly you should be practicing on bots
bots=low level training
if your bad at a role its because you dont know something about it (like how reverse peeling a ulting wukong into your team for instance)
aka, you probably shouldnt enter a game having no clue what to do or whats expected
aka, look things up and learn what each roles "job" is take it to bots and practice it then when confident bring to normals, then eventually ranked
dont be mad because im saying play bots, i did it to and still do every once in awhile lol....gotta start somewhere but jumping into the fire and not knowing what to expect is just always not gonna end good.
Noctius282 votes[{quoted}](name=Get Rekkkt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iwx3Eyoy,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-06-30T10:52:35.740+0000)
honestly you should be practicing on bots
bots=low level training
if your bad at a role its because you dont know something about it (like how reverse peeling a ulting wukong into your team for instance)
aka, you probably shouldnt enter a game having no clue what to do or whats expected
aka, look things up and learn what each roles "job" is take it to bots and practice it then when confident bring to normals, then eventually ranked
dont be mad because im saying play bots, i did it to and still do every once in awhile lol....gotta start somewhere but jumping into the fire and not knowing what to expect is just always not gonna end good.
Would you believe me that even against bots I am a terrible support? because I am... (Feeding in bot games I know how it sounds, but only as support because going top or adc I normally do very well in all types of game)
Some people are just not made for certain jobs (fish climbing a tree and all)
And they should not be forced into them, forcing pick order should only happen when there are 2 people who are equally good/bad at the role being discussed
If someone says they can't support and you know you are good at it then why don't you go support? You are helping in having a better team that way
But that just might be me, I believe pick order is the stupidest thing ever, it gives one random player the power to be the team leader (even if he is awfull at it) and completely screws another one, forcing him to ALWAYS be support unless he has a decent team that understands that not everyone is good at everything
Get Rekkkt3 votesWould you believe me that even against bots I am a terrible support? because I am... (Feeding in bot games I know how it sounds, but only as support because going top or adc I normally do very well in all types of game)
Some people are just not made for certain jobs (fish climbing a tree and all)
And they should not be forced into them, forcing pick order should only happen when there are 2 people who are equally good/bad at the role being discussed
If someone says they can't support and you know you are good at it then why don't you go support? You are helping in having a better team that way
But that just might be me, I believe pick order is the stupidest thing ever, it gives one random player the power to be the team leader (even if he is awfull at it) and completely screws another one, forcing him to ALWAYS be support unless he has a decent team that understands that not everyone is good at everything
lol let me better explain every role wether it be adc/top/mid etc has all the same jobs, even support minus the killing creeps....but they have primary focus's
as a top, you need to cs, you need to ward, you need to trade, you need to peel for people
now it doesnt matter if your adc, mid, support, or jungle...everyone has these jobs...but everyone is better at different things and focus more on certain things
aka thresh has alot of cc, and as a support your primary focus is peeling people off your adc and keeping him safe..... does that mean your adc doesnt peel for your mid? or mid for your top when he is low? or for you when your low? no, of course they do but their main focus is laying the damage down
again this comes down to (sorry to be blunt) you not knowing how to play the game right, this doesnt come down to you being better at a certain role...all roles are actually the same but just all have different focus's (top tanks and peels, mid bursts people, etc etc)
and again some are better are doing certain jobs, but that doesnt mean you stop doing the other jobs because you arent good at them
even if your mid or jungle etc, your going to end up peeling for one of your teammates (supports main job)....your tank could be low life and you could be an adc with full life....the enemy jinx fires her ult.......you should walk up (if safe) and body block that killshot on your tank to make him live and sacrifice some of your hp...etc..etc
it comes down to knowing how to play, not what role you get....granted im a better adc than midlane imo....but they are both exactly the same pretty much minus bot lane having 2 people and adc being DOT focus'd while mid is burst focus'd
hard to explain but understand what im saying?
Noctius284 votesI don't agree
Every lane has a very different play style and end up having very different jobs in a team fight In top you mostly are alone vs the other top laner in mid you have to have great map awareness given the gank potential in bot adc you need to cs as much as possible and gain damage in bot support you have to keep the adc safe, ward, poke in jungle you have to ward and gank
in a team fight normally the top ends up the tank or wall for the team mid is the main ap damage source bot adc is the main ad damage source bot support is either a healer or a tank or cc machine jungle is either damage or tank
some people work better with some roles then other
I like and am good at being the wall, I am willing to die to keep my carries safe and disrupt as much as possible I dislike mid because I have to worry about ganks 24/7 and managing mana (some thing I hate) I like adc and am good at it because I can position myself moderalty well and poke from a distance and know when to go in for the kill I HATE support because I forget to ward/don't know where to ward, I feel like I have no damage to poke, I feel horrible when I can't save my carry, I never have enough money to be neither tank OR have damage, and just cc isn't that good end game in my experience I am not a fan of jungle simply because no matter what i take, no matter how well i do if the enemy has a lee sin then i know I already lost
Get Rekkkt1 votesI don't agree
Every lane has a very different play style and end up having very different jobs in a team fight In top you mostly are alone vs the other top laner in mid you have to have great map awareness given the gank potential in bot adc you need to cs as much as possible and gain damage in bot support you have to keep the adc safe, ward, poke in jungle you have to ward and gank
in a team fight normally the top ends up the tank or wall for the team mid is the main ap damage source bot adc is the main ad damage source bot support is either a healer or a tank or cc machine jungle is either damage or tank
some people work better with some roles then other
I like and am good at being the wall, I am willing to die to keep my carries safe and disrupt as much as possible I dislike mid because I have to worry about ganks 24/7 and managing mana (some thing I hate) I like adc and am good at it because I can position myself moderalty well and poke from a distance and know when to go in for the kill I HATE support because I forget to ward/don't know where to ward, I feel like I have no damage to poke, I feel horrible when I can't save my carry, I never have enough money to be neither tank OR have damage, and just cc isn't that good end game in my experience I am not a fan of jungle simply because no matter what i take, no matter how well i do if the enemy has a lee sin then i know I already lost
you may not agree but ill tell you why your wrong
-every person is supposed to ward -every person (besides support) needs to know how to cs -every person needs to know how to trade (this includes how much dmg you can give AND take) -every person needs map awareness -every person needs to understand the concept of kiting/peeling -every person needs to know how to teamfight/focus priority
every champ does these even if your support.... then there is jobs
tanks job-soaks damage for the team, tries to get important spells on cd so team can follow up...peels for everyone on team...goes for squishies and disrupts fights
supports job- same as tank pretty much depending if your a mage or tank support....obv mages are stay away/peel types and tanks supports are soak damage/get in your face and peel
mids job- damage...your either going to widdle the enemies (usually high priority targets like enemy mid/adc) down or your just going to burst tf out of them
adc- same as mid but less mobility and less burst but over time is more damage...they may not do a full round and blast you for 3k, but he'll sit there and crit you for 800 about 10x before the mage combo is back up....plus their abilities
jungle job- either a tanky or burst base champ, the only difference from acting like either a tank or assassin is you farm the jungle and look to gank people
otherwise everyones warding, if fights they are peeling and kiting, etc etc....
now sometimes you can take on someone elses job in a teamfight.... example, both teams clash and say it comes down to a 2v2 and your tank is low and your the adc....again ill use the jinx rocket.....voli bears job is to tank and peel and varus's job is to damage and kill... volis at 10% life and just used all his cd's failing to catch up to jinx and now he is running past you while jinx fires a rocket
if your varus and 100% life you dam well better step in front of that rocket and tank it for him and shoot an E and peel for him while he gets to a safe spot...then kite/peel/kill as possible etc....point being some jobs can change and the adc will turn into the peeler and the support can turn into the dmg (depending on positioning, hp%'s etc etc)
again everyone does the same shit, they just have different focus's and are better in certain areas like supports having high peel etc
but everyone should be doing everything, warding mapawareness peeling dmging etc everything just some do certain ones more than other but by no means does all of that job...its comes down to everyone lol
Noctius281 votes-every person is supposed to ward
Am I supposed to buy a ward stone as a Katarina mid or a jinx adc?
-every person (besides support) needs to know how to cs
Never implied anything else but it's much more important in item dependent characters (damage dealers)
-every person needs to know how to trade (this includes how much dmg you can give AND take)
Again never implied the contrary
-every person needs map awareness
Never said otherwise
-every person needs to understand the concept of kiting/peeling
Understanding and having the role that does it is very different
-every person needs to know how to teamfight/focus priority
Never said no to that
And about team fights, a tank does not stay in the backlines, the adc does not lead the charge different roles needs different mind sets, you can't force a coward to be the tank, you will have a garen that hides behind the adc then everyone dies
you can't have a vayne that thinks she has a trynda ulti, otherwise you have lost your team damage in the first 2 seconds of the fight
DarkDeamonDragon2 votesAm I supposed to buy a ward stone as a Katarina mid or a jinx adc?
No but you can upgrade your ward trinket at level 9. That's 1/2 a 
right there.
Get Rekkkt2 votesAm I supposed to buy a ward stone as a Katarina mid or a jinx adc?
Never implied anything else but it's much more important in item dependent characters (damage dealers)
Again never implied the contrary
Never said otherwise
Understanding and having the role that does it is very different
Never said no to that
And about team fights, a tank does not stay in the backlines, the adc does not lead the charge different roles needs different mind sets, you can't force a coward to be the tank, you will have a garen that hides behind the adc then everyone dies
you can't have a vayne that thinks she has a trynda ulti, otherwise you have lost your team damage in the first 2 seconds of the fight
never implied or said you thought the opposite thats just what they do
and not every teamfight starts with a tank, what happens when you adc say varus catches out their adc roaming jungle? he will be in the front fighting and the tank might not even be there
likewise what i said about the jinx ult, everyone has their main job but also everyone has to be able to do that job (like being an adc and tanking a jinx rocket for your almost dead tank while you full life
sure its the top and supports main job to peel/disrupt....but that doesnt mean thats not you job as an adc/jungle/mid if you have any type of crowd control
understanding and having the role that does it is not very different, in fact its the same but they are just better at it
are you supposed to buy a sightstone (not ward stone) as katarina mid or jinx adc?no, but you should be buying wards and upgrading/using your trinket...this isnt s2, everyone has to ward now its not just supports job
your replies are all that you never said that, and in all of those cases i never said you did only that those were everyones job (map awareness, warding, trading, csing etc)
but on the other hand when you say you suck at things (like map awareness) that comes with practice, just like everything else
btw kiting isnt defined to a role, everyone kites and if your not your playing very wrong.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ZU4bQFmkQ
notice how he says not only this is a main job of a support, but of everyone...
never said the adcs charge in and the tanks go in the back, in fact i said they do the opposite when they do their jobs (tanks disrupt and peel for adc etc)
but again your missing very basic concepts and implying that only supports need to ward, map awareness is a thing for mid and tanking is just for the tank....some fights call for different measures like if your boy is 50% running from someone who is 100, you walk up and start "tanking" while they run...this is where kiting comes in, now you back up as you get chased and you boy comes back to help you
your just either misunderstanding what im saying, what you said, or your implying things like mids dont ward because they dont build sightstone?
just watch some videos man, and by no means am i diamond or anything but i understand these basic concepts and you should probably brush up on them before going and fighting people who do
hint, most people under level 30 are smurfs so even if you started a new account you would still have to learn these before you fight people....or youd just get handled
i know, it happened to me before i finally came to grips that im missing something....and the more i looked the more i learned, i still learn new stuff all the time.....
do you know what a slow push is, consists of doing, and what you can do while its happening? case and point
HamburgerJunior2 votesWould you believe me that even against bots I am a terrible support? because I am... (Feeding in bot games I know how it sounds, but only as support because going top or adc I normally do very well in all types of game)
Some people are just not made for certain jobs (fish climbing a tree and all)
And they should not be forced into them, forcing pick order should only happen when there are 2 people who are equally good/bad at the role being discussed
If someone says they can't support and you know you are good at it then why don't you go support? You are helping in having a better team that way
But that just might be me, I believe pick order is the stupidest thing ever, it gives one random player the power to be the team leader (even if he is awfull at it) and completely screws another one, forcing him to ALWAYS be support unless he has a decent team that understands that not everyone is good at everything
I really hate to be this crude. But if you're literally that bad at support, you should uninstall. Roles not that hard to play dude. Don't do obviously retarded things and you'll be fine. Literally, if you feed as support in bots, never rank. Because you shouldn't expect everyone to cater to your crippling disability in ranked. Cause they won't, barely ever.
Noctius281 votesI really hate to be this crude. But if you're literally that bad at support, you should uninstall. Roles not that hard to play dude. Don't do obviously retarded things and you'll be fine. Literally, if you feed as support in bots, never rank. Because you shouldn't expect everyone to cater to your crippling disability in ranked. Cause they won't, barely ever.
Why would I uninstall when I do very well both as top and adc? Have you never had a class in school which you simply couldn't get your head over? Something you simply couldn't get or learn?
What's easy for you might not be for others you know!
A support does not have damage, does not have tank stats, supporting is for me the hardest role to play
I can 2V3 as Quinn in bot, but I can't land a good blitz hook, or nami wave, or soraka last sec heal, not because I am bad at the game, because I am bad at SUPPORTING!
Can you do the Lee sin jump ward hop back kick? No? why not? other people can so that must mean it's easy right?
canpan144 votesThey are telling you their worst role is probably support. It is no different than me when I say anything but ADC. I'm giving my team a heads up to not give me it because I will most likely hold them back. It is another thing to troll pick even though I was forced ADC, but there is nothing wrong with saying it.
How about when they say they can't play a role, you don't give it to them?
Deep Terror Nami3 votesTell them to go bot and just share the CS and kills. The "meta" isn't enforceable so you might as well try to salvage the situation. You can still sometimes use them to win the game, and just report them for negative attitude afterwards.
Get Rekkkt3 votesand by the way to OP there isnt anything you can do, they can do w/e they want and that includes going to a lane you called and taking your stuff,not helping, trolling, raging/flaming, afking
the only thing you can do is report them at the end but honestly that doesnt do anything either (wish i had the link that was going around forums of this twitch who had his whole history being 0/25+ for weeks until he finally got banned but that was only because he was being talked about on the forums....and its because someone carried him when he was 0/36 and he actually got one win)
its sad but it comes down to w/e MM wants to throw at you, if you wanna see real rigging go on na.op.gg and search your matches as your loading
youll see one team has all positive history while one team has a neg histories...to make matters worse the ones with positive histories are usually higher ranks also
this is by no means speculation, all of this can be searched for yourself
Jamaree2 votesAt lower elo, I see why, at high elo, no idea why. I do minimum work for maximum value and get free elo. Oh no, I don't get damage, who cares?
Silents4292 votes5 roles, if the guy doesn't want to support someone else can support.
Mr Trash Panda 2 votesIts one thing to say "i cant play support" or something along the lines of "ill do more harm than good if im support"
its a completely different thing to troll pick because you wanted to be a hero of the game and get all the kills all because you didn't want to support.
i am no hypocrite when i talk about this because im the first one to go support when someone says anything about not supporting. why? because its easier to help the team out than risk a troll ruining 20+ minutes of my game time. The only thing i can do is report them unskilled at the end of the game.
MVDuneCats2 votesStatistic of the day: 100% of people who experience games without a support on their team did not play support themselves.
Lynxonyx1 votesI don't mind support, but I am simply terrible at it. I'll do it, but I let the team know they really don't want me to.
Big Hans1 votesPeople who claim that they "cant support" usualy make one huge mistake. They assume that they have to pick a support centered champ to support.
Any ranged mage in the game can be a good support. An agressive AD champ can be really good too. Dont take Janna, Bliz or Thresh just because you are suporting. Those are quite challenging support champs. Just take something you are good with.
Naagaloshi1 votesI don't have a problem with this in normals, but if you're playing in ranked, I feel that you should be capable of playing any of the roles at least competently.
For example. My worst role is ADC. Knowing this, i tried out different adcs until i found a few that i wasn't COMPLETELY terrible with, and practiced until i was at least beating bots regularly.
I have 3 i can use fairly well (Caitlyn, Graves, Vayne) so that, if I'm stuck with the role, I can at least not disadvantage my team.
If you don't want to / can't play all of the roles in a game, played normals or team builder, not ranked. Sometimes in draft pick, you get stuck with your worst role. Saying" I'm bad at it, so someone else should take it.", completely ignorez the possibility that someone else is on your team, also equally bad at that role
Davy Crockett1 votesHappened in a recent ranked... Last pick said "I'm not a good support so feed". Being first pick and picking a tank with very good peel, I decided to take support role and let them top. They picked quinn, the enemy picked Gnar, and we all surprisingly won the game. As a support, your job is to either peel for your team or keep your team alive. Almost any champion can support if you know what you're doing.
*Never underestimate Chogath support.
Bârd1 votesPeople who dont like support have not played 
Matthias91191 votesRiot won't enforce a meta, so if nobody else wants to play a 0-CS support and they are insistent on not doing it, then either:
On the flip side of this, if you absolutely refuse to play certain roles then you should probably stick to Team Builder or a premade team. Or you should dodge every match where you get forced into that role so that you're not screwing over other players.
Erockandroll1 votesThe best thing to do is talk it out. Riot said they prefer Pick order over call order for various reasons. Mostly pertaining to how long it takes to connect. But if you really talk it out with your teammates and figure out optimal lane assignments, that would be better than either call or pick order.
5 roles, if the guy doesn't want to support someone else can support.
Keep in mind that people actually want to win. People don't want to support because they can't solo Carry the game from said position. And that's why no one wants to play support.
I'll play support. Mostly because I care more about having fun rather than winning. And if I want to Carry as a support. I just pick Either Karma or Morgana, and take over lane if the ADC fcks up.
Elo/mmr shouldn't really be an excuse for a person not to learn every role to a certain extent. At one point or another, I think ranked bronze players don't simply because they are unaware that they have to. No one really explains to them the necessity or utility, and they just never find out.
The funny thing is, I commonly Use Teambuilder to practice a variety of roles. But I chose roles base on how likely I am to get into a game. So I have a lot of Practice with Support, ADC, and Jungle. And Ironicly those are the roles I chose to master first in that exact order. I started support because Sona was my first champ that I really liked. I went ADC afterward because I already knew a good deal of bot lane mechanics. I picked up Jungle this season after the item changes scared people away from that role, and I filled a vacuum.
I never troll nor intentionally feed. But if I'm forced to play solo lane, All warranties are off.