Please Incorporate Team Builder Into Ranked

IQ DROP·Jun 20, 2015·42 votes·1,993 views

I'm tired of people saying i called it or pick order we wouldnt need that if we already chosen a lane we want.

I know some roles would be left behind like supp or jungle, to counteract something like that we can have a fill role that automatically fills a role not chosen by some random team and it would give a little extra ip maybe like 5 or 10.

we honestly need this so we wont have miscommunication in the lobby and everyone can get along with having complications.

44 Comments

LeSlowwJun 20, 20156 votes

Sounds like a good idea since I main adc and most of the supports I get are only supports because they have to and they don't know how to support properly

pE4CbxDPQOJun 20, 20154 votes

Furthermore, pros get to play their role every game. Where's the justice for the nobodys riot?!

WimbledofyJun 20, 20152 votes

and pros also play with a premade team. Go play ranked 5s if this is really your issue.

ShaftyMegeeJun 21, 20151 votes

Then play premades?

Android CowboyJun 20, 20154 votes

This is the single best thing RITO could do for this game. Seeya solo-queue. Seeya bubbling cauldron of angst and fail. Hello reasonable chance of some actual teamwork. Gnar

Toa of DeathJun 21, 20154 votes

They are doing that. Lyte even confirmed that it's their main focus right now.

Baby GhoulJun 20, 20153 votes

It would be great to have a team builder where you just pick which role you want to play. It would help so much with finding supports.

I don't know why you have to choose the champion for the normal game team builder. It defeats the purpose of building a team, and especially makes it pointless for supports. You can't just choose any support.

Penguin EclipseJun 20, 20151 votes

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It would be great to have a team builder where you just pick which role you want to play. It would help so much with finding supports.

I don't know why you have to choose the champion for the normal game team builder. It defeats the purpose of building a team, and especially makes it pointless for supports. You can't just choose any support.

Even if it is just the role, the amount of people wanting mid/top is greatly disproportional. Everyone can't get the role they want. That's not going to magically change.

chipndip1Jun 20, 20153 votes

It'd solve SO MANY DAMN ISSUES with ranked. I had a game yesterday that went like:

Me (1st pick): Where is everyone trying to go? I'm adc'ing.

A few responses

later

4th pick: Where are you trying to go?

last pick: Let's see....

at the last second

4th pick: Picks support

last pick: Picks support

4th pick: Panics and picks Graves...for TOP LANE

Needless to say...we lost horribly because we had no staying power in fights. To top it off, the last pick idiot kept pulling the tanks with Blitzcrank and kept missing all the squishy carries. I ask people where they're trying to go when I'm first pick so people can be where they're most comfortable. Then I say where I'm going myself. Why no one speaks in champ select is beyond me, and in general team building would be much more competent if we had a team builder instead of a random order of operations. To keep bans in tact, just make it so that before you go into the draft itself, you simply state what role you're willing to play, rather than the champ, masteries, and runes itself. The rest can work out like a standard draft.

LaceUp23Jun 20, 20153 votes

I don't know. I see advantages of it, but I wouldn't want it. I don't think someone should be able to climb the ladder while only playing 1 single champ in 1 single role the entire time. Just a personal preference. I would rather them just perma-ban the players that troll champ select or in game because they didn't get the role they wanted. That would solve a lot more issues.

T RexHasTinyArmsJun 21, 20151 votes

If it gets done it will be its own ladder so I think it would be fine. It would be like showing skill at your main role vs skill at the game. You might be a silver player but a gold level adc , silver support, and bronze everything else.

Android CowboyJun 20, 20153 votes

I'd be willing to wait in team builder for a while, if it meant not having to wade through the solo-queue garbage and pray for teamwork. Gnar

DictatorshipJun 20, 20153 votes

No.

IQ DROPJun 21, 20152 votes

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No.

why?

Fried NoobJun 20, 20152 votes

They are already working on a team builder draft thing, it'll be coming out in the not too distant future.

Synx7Jun 20, 20153 votes

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They are already working on a team builder draft thing, it'll be coming out in the not too distant future.

Yeah. When some1 creates a thread about it, there is a rioter that jumps in and says " we're working on it" Thing is, we didn't even knew that. Yeah, maybe in season 8 is done.

Penguin EclipseJun 20, 20152 votes

I think you guys will really regret wishing for this if/once it finally arrives. At least now you have a fairly good chance of getting the role you want thanks to pick order. Once team builder ranked arrives good luck ever getting mid or top again unless you are willing to wait 30+ mins. Oh and depending on how it works, picking non-meta champions? Good luck. Team captains won't be so tolerant when LP is on the line. I have a hard enough time convincing team captains my Elise jungle is good for normal games.

Sure it will solve some issues. But it will create just as many.

EkkoFrofflesJun 20, 20151 votes

What Riot is working on would have you only queued up for your role, not picking your champion until champ select. So your second issue wouldn't be one. Sure, someone might queue up as support only to go mid in match, but I doubt we'd see it more than we see similar things in ranked as it is now. For example, someone picking something like Sona, not calling a spot, then saying mid at the last moment. People will be idiots regardless.

Riot's plans for ranked team builder would also prevent the mix-ups that happen when people don't call their role, doing away with one of the more infuriating issues I come across regularly. I'd also be willing to wait for my role a little longer if necessary. People will already dodge if they don't get their role, so they clearly have no qualms about waiting longer.

SukishooJun 21, 20152 votes

Love how this DUMB thread always comes up yet they've already confirmed many many many MANY times that they are already making a draft/ranked TB.

AuroramancerJun 21, 20152 votes

They already announced in a red post that Draft Team Builder is going to be the next project released. I think what will happen is that you queue up for a lane/role in Team Builder style without picking a champion, then ban phase goes through, and then you choose your champion.

SnakezzyJun 20, 20151 votes

It would take away counter-picking, huge part of ranked.

SingadyJun 20, 20153 votes

I think he's referring to a system more akin to picking your role, not champion.

So for you would still counter-pick and have bans like normal but you're certain you'll attain the role you wish.

Ultimate SnipeJun 20, 20151 votes

I hope I'm wrong, but can't someone just troll in champ select after roles are chosen just because they want to?

BluePolarizerJun 21, 20153 votes

Sure but what's the point? All it does is waste the troll's time for zero gain. Currently, trolling is done to force people to dodge or change champs when the trolls don't get the lane they want. That motivation disappears with a teambuilder option for ranked. And the good thing about teambuilder? Before the team is filled you can dodge with no penalty, so a troll can only force you to dodge with penalty after the whole queue is filled.

Ultimate SnipeJun 21, 20151 votes

I get it now, but there are just some people who want to watch the world burn, y'know? I see those kinds of people sometimes, and I guess they'll exist because society is a bitch.

MegaCandyhawkJun 21, 20151 votes

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It would take away counter-picking, huge part of ranked.

Or they could make it so that the teams get matched by role before they pick champs so that there could be a normal pick/ban phase but everyone in the lobby has an indicator for what role they wanted to play.

T RexHasTinyArmsJun 20, 20151 votes

It would be awesome but I wonder if it would be with the amount of work it would take to code a new ranked ladder for ranked team builder would be worth it. I think regular ranked would probably still retain the majority of players bc it would have faster que times and as the flagship mode would still carry more prestige for ranking (kinda like solo que vs ranked 5s or 3s), so I think the lower numbers of players might give it a little less value to work ratio. Also to make it as amazing as it could be there should be a ladder for each role and that would mean a LOT of coding (but how awesome would it be to rank specifically for each role like maybe you're only a gold level LOL player, but you're a plat or diamond level support compared to other supports (so you'd be way better for a ranked 5s team).

BluePolarizerJun 21, 20151 votes

ranked 5's is the premier ranked mode by definition, since that's the only mode that has a clear ladder to becoming a pro (getting paid): the challenger series. It doesn't matter if you are ranked #1 in solo queue because you aren't gonna get paid for it directly.

The reason solo queue is more popular, even though the probability of getting paid to play is miniscule, is because there's too many angry awkward nerds in this game who don't have friends and don't have the social skills necessary to play as part of an integrated team.

T RexHasTinyArmsJun 21, 20151 votes

Or people don't have friends that play lol except the ones they make in game and coordinating across time zones for ranked teams is a pain. My roommate junior year got me into playing league but he's the only friend I've had who plays it. Additionally while ranked 5s is the pinnacle of play (ie pros play 5s games on circuit) you clearly understand that I mean most popular, and your reply doesn't respond to the question of if it is worth coding a new ranked ladder for a mode that won't be as popular as solo que and isn't as close to competitive as ranked 5s?

BluePolarizerJun 21, 20151 votes

I would never play solo queue again if teambuilder ranked was up. There's no reason to. Why deal with the stress of champ select trolls and one trick ponies trash at everything except 1 champ in 1 role?

T RexHasTinyArmsJun 21, 20151 votes

Personal preference. I'd play both, but I wouldn't play ranked team builder till I topped out on where I think I can get to on the solo que ladder without putting in a lot mor training. After I maxed out the ranking I could get for how good I was at the game I'd go see how much better I could be at one role. To me not having the social aspect of having to work to get the team to play nice makes rtb a simpler option and that's cool, I'd just want to max out on the other first.

aGentleGrabnFistJun 20, 20151 votes

Yep please add team builder to ranked so all the 'Vayne/riven or feed' mains can go do team builder while the rest of us who try to play as a team can do draft.

TeaWreckedJun 20, 20151 votes

Yea, that's good but how are you sure someone wont queue as support for a faster queue only to pick vayne and make the team lose??? And they can't limit the range of champions for each role either because you might want to use Varus mid instead of adc for instance

IQ DROPJun 20, 20151 votes

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Yea, that's good but how are you sure someone wont queue as support for a faster queue only to pick vayne and make the team lose??? And they can't limit the range of champions for each role either because you might want to use Varus mid instead of adc for instance

that's okay because league is unorthodox and at times has shown that new methods are not always quick to be judged if successful in game.

BluePolarizerJun 21, 20151 votes

How is that different from the troll just instalocking Vayne with Clairvoyance and Clarity without saying anything?

Arsenic SulfurJun 20, 20151 votes

Maybe they could have so that when the captain bans champions those will be the champions that they can't be queued up with or against!

The QuinndredJun 21, 20151 votes

This would have to be before the banning happens. I.E. Everyone picks a role, searchs for a team, and when two teams are found, they go about it like a normal draft.

Yxgl222HaXJun 21, 20151 votes

The way i'd go about this personally is have you que as a roll then put you in champ select with those roles titled - for example that way you can still do picks and bans ect and even trades but everyone gets the role that they want. It'd reduce people trolling/feeding ect because they diddnt get what they wanted

Prophet DuckJun 21, 20151 votes

I coulda sworn they said that they were working on something like that but it would be a while. Cant remember where but its a pretty obvious solution to several problems, Im sure its buzzing around in someones head over there.

SchenixJun 21, 20151 votes

It leaves an issue of pre made team compositions.

So I would be fine with choosing a role and going into Queue, THEN picking champions. Would love this so much.

The Bearded BardJun 21, 20151 votes

So far every naysayer I've seen on this thread fails to understand the concept of a DRAFT teambuilder. It'd work like this: you roll into teambuilder, pick what ROLE you want, not what champion you want, then you get queued up according to the meta, so two bot lane, one mid, one top, one jungle. Then once you're queued up it's regular draft with bans and picks one at a time still.

The REAL problem with this system is that it 100% cements the meta. Sure you can still play your unconventional top laners, your "support" leblancs, your teemo jungle, you don't even have to play an adc/support if you're the bot lane, but the point I'm making is that you would still have to adhere to the two bot lane, one mid, one top, one jungle meta.

As for long queue times, they wouldn't be much longer than ranked games now because it'd be the only option. When the new come in, the old die out. The reason current teambuilder takes forever is because there are literally five different queues for the same game mode and teambuilder is the least popular of the five.

IQ DROPJun 21, 20151 votes

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So far every naysayer I've seen on this thread fails to understand the concept of a DRAFT teambuilder. It'd work like this: you roll into teambuilder, pick what ROLE you want, not what champion you want, then you get queued up according to the meta, so two bot lane, one mid, one top, one jungle. Then once you're queued up it's regular draft with bans and picks one at a time still.

The REAL problem with this system is that it 100% cements the meta. Sure you can still play your unconventional top laners, your "support" leblancs, your teemo jungle, you don't even have to play an adc/support if you're the bot lane, but the point I'm making is that you would still have to adhere to the two bot lane, one mid, one top, one jungle meta.

As for long queue times, they wouldn't be much longer than ranked games now because it'd be the only option. When the new come in, the old die out. The reason current teambuilder takes forever is because there are literally five different queues for the same game mode and teambuilder is the least popular of the five.

thank you so much someone finally understands

THA GURTJun 21, 20151 votes

Love the idea of ranked teambuilder. Would like to just pick which position I want to play and get into a game, go through picks and bans and have everyone on the team happy with the position they are playing. Feel like when you go to choose the position it would be great if they gave you an estimated wait. 20 minute wait for mid 2 for jungle EZ decision.

As for the longer waits I can understand this being a big deal at higher rankes where the queue time is crazy already but what percentage of the community is that?