How is this a balanced match?

Specopsguy·Apr 10, 2019·3 votes·1,592 views

We got owned hard by this team and we all new it. game ended fast and I mean just look at this match up points. No wonder its have to progess wehn match making sucks like this.

17 Comments

Jinzo TorranceApr 10, 20198 votes

No offense but how the fuck is the matchmaking system supposed to know what champion a player will pick in champ select?

Kai GuyApr 10, 20192 votes

Champion selection has 0 interaction with MMR systems. Google that shit, They care about wins and losses.

Sona PingApr 10, 20192 votes

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Champion selection has 0 interaction with MMR systems. Google that shit, They care about wins and losses.

Yeah, of course. The point he is bringing up is how would they ever even be able to do that, even conceptually. That alone is a good reason for OP to realize that it it doesn't do that and that it is very silly of him to think that there's something wrong and think that Riot is being neglectful with poor matchmaking because of that.

Kai GuyApr 10, 20191 votes

When I wake up if im not banned from the boards for my post in this thread. Im going to rant about idiots and the constant incorrect information they provide to others on the boards about MMR and Elo systems.

its not fucking hard to guess what your MMR is and what your LP gains should be.

did you lose more then you won at the start and are you still sitting at more losses then wins? You should not remotely expect to climb.

starting balance = some arbitrary MMR value, its the same for all new players in a season and off a soft reset for everbody else. There is no confusion on how it changes Losses = loss of MMR balance. Wins add to balance. Very freaking simple. when # of losses outweight # of wins your under your starting value. The entire LP system was made to hid this from players and frankly people ate it up.

So if your MMR gains and losses relatively similar in value at the end of a match I just don't understand how some one thinks they are geting dicked by riot and should climb when they have upwards of 10+ losses To wins. OH EMMM G YOUR A LOL GOD! YOU WON 3 GAMES IN A ROW! Gee golly gosh monkeys that really should fix the fact that have 37 more losses then wins. Those 3 games really will offset your account having over triple that value in MMR loss because it was consecutive. Yes... what a statistically significant number. Wins should provide over 10X the MMR of a loss if they can be achieved in a span of 3 matches.... yes. This indeed makes for a quality competitive ladder.

Sona PingApr 10, 20191 votes

Dude.

Ok, I agree. Many people are ignorant of how matchmaking, inexcusably ignorant if they are complaining about how the matchmaking works and how Riot is so bad at it when they don't even know how matchmaking works currently. I agree with that and how this even got 16 temporary upvotes is absurd. Right?

But you missed his point; the result of his comment is "That's conceptually impossible in the first place." He was bringing up the idea that the OP's complaint requires some special future-telling to know what champion they are going to pick after they were already placed in the game. So naturally, you will conclude that it's a nonsense complaint because that means there's no way that's involved in match making and because he is blaming Riot matchmaking for what players decide to do. It's nonsense without even bringing up how total mastery score is meaningless to how someone will play in the future.

The post does a good thing because it brings up how so many of boards complaints are rubbish, nothing but another Elo Hell excuse because they are conceptually ridiculous, and come across as almost crazed because it would require future-telling and mind control from a video game company to either cause or prevent, like the guy who went from "I don't know what this positional matchmaking is" to accusing Riot of punishing him by giving him a feeding troll support for daring to swap roles over an hour due to one game. (Here's the kicker, his teammates did poorly and fed because it was 4v5, the complainer AFKed for like ten minutes because the support killed some minions when he was out of lane.)

But, yeah, I also agree about going to bed and leaving it be.

Kai GuyApr 10, 20192 votes

I was in a really fowl mood and got ranty. I shoulda just showen some support for Jinzo Torrance comment with a ^ This or Thumbs up sticker but wasn't in the headspace for it.

Now I need to crawl out and find myself a nice greasy breakfast and some caffeine, possibly a hair of the dog day. Thanks for your time sona and for responding with reason.

SaezioApr 10, 20194 votes

You are a big fat troll sir. This match your team had higher Elo players. You were against 2 silvers 2 bronzes and an unranked, your team was 4 silvers and an unranked. Mastery has nothing to do with it, how can matchmaker know you are gonna first time heimer? Only MMR matters.

Kai GuyApr 10, 20191 votes

HOW DARE YOU SIR SHAME ON YOU SAZEZIO SHAME. How did you forget that Riot will instantly accurately know each and every players true skill from game 1 but also will accurately predict your picks Prior to a game. After all everbody knows Riot leads the industry in gypsy fortune tellers so there's just absolutely no excuse for letting this match happen.

Also Riot knows if some one is Toxic AF and some one else is rude that will trigger a Rage quit or angry feeder. Riots got some high quality crystal balls so oviously they have 100% accuracy on knowing the future.

Yes.... This is entirely Riots fault and not at all related to PLAYER decisions.

oh wait everything I just said is complete BS. OP is an idiot to blame riot for teammate decisions. Personally id assign all blame to the fools who make bad calls on their picks but what do I know. That's probably only just a fair and reasonable response so clearly it has no place in a Rant post.

@folks who sympathise with OP. Look, MMR adjust after games. MMR uses current MMR values to make a match. MMR does not control picks. Don't be stupid. Use your head when you set blame.

SuicidePlankApr 10, 20191 votes

Just because someone has a lot of Points on a champion doesn't mean he is good, just means he plays said champ a lot. A friend of mine just picked up Riven and has a 83% WR on 18 Games, with just a few points Another one has over 2 Million on her and was hardstuck Gold 1.

SaezioApr 10, 20192 votes

Also, riddle me this. How can someone complain about matchmaking when they first time a champ in ranked? And get positive feedback from the boards? Is it opposite day?

USAstarApr 10, 20191 votes

So sad. F rito

14daysuspensionkApr 10, 20191 votes

I've been matched multiple times against beginner or autofilled junglers while I'm playing my 380K Nidalee main champ.

ThefrostyvikingApr 10, 20191 votes

Champion points are irrelevant to MMR counting, it only measures wins/losses.

They tried making a system that bases if of stuff like "main and offroles" but that went to shit as well.

Kai GuyApr 10, 20191 votes

I hate the fact the boards are so stupid this freaking post is sitting at positive upvotes. kudos boards YALL played yourself. So Riot is responsible for what champions players pick now? Aight... If you gave this a like **y'all are dam Idiots. ** Screw it. Bring on the downvotes and remember to Report my post. Bottom right, harassment, after all if you resemble my statement or are the op I am blatantly calling you a stupid son of a gun. This violates boards rules and you can get a moderator involved to tell me off.

I am honestly ok with this because you have to read my post first and live with the fact that your literally putting blame on riot for decisions players make AFTER a game is made on what they lock in and apparently expect riot to control that shit? Da Fk is this?

So if you resemble it and don't like my attitude #GTFOH. Or tattle tell on me cuz I don't doubt you still have a teacher to report ta IRL when some ones bullying ya.

Edit. feel free to prove me wrong buy downvoting this thread to oblivion... Doubt it will happen with the negativity bias. my $ is that I am going to get this comment deleted by a mod after being reported.

Edit 2. Oh good. its now negative. Thank you boards, I was wrong and I was unkind to you my bad.