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AND THIS friends is why Aurelion NEEDS some love when full on MELEE

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Like this is funny with Janna but its just FKING depressing when its an ekko/yasuo/kat/akali/ +50% of League + future champions and your there like doing negative dmg watching as you slowly die and than go and think maybe I should KMS irl?.... but seriously his level 5 Q needs to be allowed to be detonated on command it still 8seconds cooldown and he does not build much or very little cdr..

Also ------------------- Alistar/Leona **** you to be headbutt/stun me and make my W 4sec recast .... and when its back up your headbutt is already back its a vicious Cycle and you do negative dmg again...

It has gotten to the point I am one trick Aurelion Player with a gold/platinum/diamond account and If I have assasin or 2+ assasin I just dodge because I know my existence as a champion will not matter and it will be "unfun" so I just won't bother.

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Jerry SeinfeId7 votes

looks like an outplay by janna to me. getting in melee range is supposed to be his weakness.

INoble KnightI2 votes

There's weakness then there is this. He has no way to save himself when they get in his face. Most other champs can slow or stun or dash but he literally has nothing.

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

He missed his ult himself tho. If he had hit janna with the ult she'd have possibly died already or he'd have been able to position himself correctly to hit her with his stars.

What way do i have to save myself from let's say kha zix as an immobile squishy when he gets into melee range?

Edit: this also seems to be urf footage? there's no way they have those cd otherwise.

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

1st of all. Janna was running at the speed of sound. Hitting her isnt easy. And frankly you have no power over it. ( i mean that you can aim where your target is or where he will be, but the target can react and since this particular one was fast, she can always avoid it) .

Even other immobile squihy targets can do something about it. Anivia can double tap her stun. Viktor has a stun and a shield. Vel has a knockup. Annie is annie. And many others. Even karthus can fight in melee range. Sol tho cant do jack shit. He cant fight back. He cant run away.

And lastly, urf or not, this can happen with ease.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

1st of all. Janna was running at the speed of sound. Hitting her isnt easy. And frankly you have no power over it. ( i mean that you can aim where your target is or where he will be, but the target can react and since this particular one was fast, she can always avoid it) .

I never said it's easy to hit janna, it's not impossible though. You do however have some power over it. if they dodge it they outplayed you, if you hit them you outplayed them. In this case Janna outplayed A sol.

Even other immobile squihy targets can do something about it. Anivia can double tap her stun. Viktor has a stun and a shield. Vel has a knockup. Annie is annie. And many others. Even karthus can fight in melee range. Sol tho cant do jack shit. He cant fight back. He cant run away.

Those are all champs with stuns which are dodgeable (except annie Q). if anivia misses that stun the kha would still eat her without any issue. I could say the same about jinx, if the assassin gets to me in melee range, sure i can auto him, zap him or place my chompers. chances are i'm dead before my chompers are armed.

as for karthus he's a battlemage, he builds a bunch of hp and actually becomes stronger when he dies. He's a really niche case and imo does quite well against melee.

aurelion sol CAN do something about it, he can use his ult.

And lastly, urf or not, this can happen with ease.

No this IS important, if janna didn't have a perma shield she'd have died.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

I never said it's easy to hit janna, it's not impossible though. You do however have some power over it. if they dodge it they outplayed you, if you hit them you outplayed them. In this case Janna outplayed A sol.

True its not impossible. BUT there is a very VERY small chance you might end up dealing with someone that has god like reflexes. In that case you forget any chance of hitting him unless he is under the effects of some form of movement impairment. I've faced that kind of people and it sucks ass knowing that you have to farm and nothing else because they can sidestep everything.

Also no you dont have power over it. How can you hit someone when the enemy knows the trajectory? You cant. Lets say you try to poke champ A. Champ A sees your poke ( lets say nida's q ). Champ A has good reflexes and sidesteps every attempt of your poke. So you try to predict their movement. Champ A sees where your poke is headed ( his path ) and he changes his direction. Thats what im saying you have no power over it. Once you have thrown your poke spell, you hope that some will walk over it since most poke spells can be avoided with a right click.

Those are all champs with stuns which are dodgeable

True but tell me, how do you dodge a point blank stun from anivia? Unless you can see the future you wont be able to avoid except anivia screw's it somehow. Point blank spells are inherently more difficult to dodge than regular ones.

I could say the same about jinx, if the assassin gets to me in melee range, sure i can auto him, zap him or place my chompers. chances are i'm dead before my chompers are armed.

I think that adcs fare better at melee range ( most of the times ) compared to mages since adcs can draintank. A jinx full build can drain tank a khazix.

as for karthus he's a battlemage, he builds a bunch of hp and actually becomes stronger when he dies

How in the seven hells he becomes stronger when he dies? He can just use spells without having the fear of being interrupted. That hardly counts as stronger, more like he has more freedom ( not the best word ik).

aurelion sol CAN do something about it, he can use his ult.

Well the enemy is a yi and he throws a q in your face the moment you cast your ulti, ending up with him dodging his only saving grace. I suppose its sol's fault that yi is pretty fast and sol shouldnt be alone amirite?

No this IS important, if janna didn't have a perma shield she'd have died.

Well what i had in mind was the fact that anyone can dance inside sol's stars if his ulti is down and there is nothing he can do to escape.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

True its not impossible. BUT there is a very VERY small chance you might end up dealing with someone that has god like reflexes. In that case you forget any chance of hitting him unless he is under the effects of some form of movement impairment. I've faced that kind of people and it sucks ass knowing that you have to farm and nothing else because they can sidestep everything.

in that case they deserve to win. If they can dodge everything you throw at them they're the better player.

True but tell me, how do you dodge a point blank stun from anivia? Unless you can see the future you wont be able to avoid except anivia screw's it somehow. Point blank spells are inherently more difficult to dodge than regular ones.

Sure it's near impossible to dodge anivia's stun point blank, hell i still don't understand it's damn hitbox. but aurelion's ult is just as big as anivia's stun.

How in the seven hells he becomes stronger when he dies? He can just use spells without having the fear of being interrupted. That hardly counts as stronger, more like he has more freedom ( not the best word ik).

Untargetable and manaless not to mention Last stand works with his passive. Karthus' e does alot of dmg but drains most of his mana in seconds, so it's most effective when you're dead.

Well the enemy is a yi and he throws a q in your face the moment you cast your ulti, ending up with him dodging his only saving grace. I suppose its sol's fault that yi is pretty fast and sol shouldnt be alone amirite?

Then you still knock him back cuz yi's alphastrike is bugged and he gets hit by aoe. sometimes. fuck idk when he does get hit and when he doesn't anymore at this point. but in a case where both function properly he's a hard counter. This goes for lux, morgana, anivia, brand, viktor, and every other mage. Yi will fuck you up when in melee range, if he dodges your cc with his alpha strike he played it right. keep in mind yi has to get onto you first, if he alpha's to get on you it's on cd.

Nyarlathοtep

in that case they deserve to win

What? Why do they deserve to win but i dont? Because they can react to a skillshot? Nice logic man. I dont know about you but that sounds stupid. Oh by the way check out who deserves to win in a match and who doesnt. Dont worry i will wait. Go on.

Sure it's near impossible to dodge anivia's stun point blank, hell i still don't understand it's damn hitbox. but aurelion's ult is just as big as anivia's stun.

Indeed its big. Thats why further down i said about spells that make their casters invulnerable ( vlad, fizz, mao ). You did what you could you aimed at their location but their kit is a middle finger to sol.

Untargetable and manaless not to mention Last stand works with his passive. Karthus' e does alot of dmg but drains most of his mana in seconds, so it's most effective when you're dead.

Well according to op gg the most optimal rune page for karthus doesnt include last stand. And while you can freely use spells this effectiveness is kinda diminished by the fact that you cant move.

Then you still knock him back cuz yi's alphastrike is bugged and he gets hit by aoe

Fine screw yi i wanted to say champs that have untargetable frames ( mini stasis ).

This goes for lux, morgana, anivia, brand, viktor, and every other mage. Yi will fuck you up when in melee range, if he dodges your cc with his alpha strike he played it right. keep in mind yi has to get onto you first, if he alpha's to get on you it's on cd.

My point is that other so called mages weak to melee can still fight back there ( melee ) because their spells work as they should. Sol without ulti or flash he is on the mercy of his enemy. Hell another example ( i really dont like bringing him up but w/e ) yasuo supposedly is weak to cc. Yet he has absurd mobility around enemy minions AND a windwall that stops every porjectile in the game. Not only that but windwall spawns from his model so even point blank projectiles can be negated. Why yasuo can do such thing but sol cant double tap his q? Thats all he needs nothing else. ( besides a rework i mean )

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

What? Why do they deserve to win but i dont? Because they can react to a skillshot? Nice logic man. I dont know about you but that sounds stupid. Oh by the way check out who deserves to win in a match and who doesnt. Dont worry i will wait. Go on.

If you can't land shit you don't deserve to win, simple as that. you can't land shit, you can't do dmg/cc so you lose. If a player dodges every single skillshot you use they're the better player. Do they deserve to win the game? mby not but they do deserve to win lane.

Indeed its big. Thats why further down i said about spells that make their casters invulnerable ( vlad, fizz, mao ). You did what you could you aimed at their location but their kit is a middle finger to sol.

Yes you did, that goes for anivia too. she can be dodged by fizz.

Well according to op gg the most optimal rune page for karthus doesnt include last stand. And while you can freely use spells this effectiveness is kinda diminished by the fact that you cant move.

fine, i still get great effectiveness out of it though. I also don't see the reason as most karthus' i see ult after they are death. i'm guessing it's for the bonus ap after the takedown.

My point is that other so called mages weak to melee can still fight back there ( melee ) because their spells work as they should. Sol without ulti or flash he is on the mercy of his enemy. Hell another example ( i really dont like bringing him up but w/e ) yasuo supposedly is weak to cc. Yet he has absurd mobility around enemy minions AND a windwall that stops every porjectile in the game. Not only that but windwall spawns from his model so even point blank projectiles can be negated. Why yasuo can do such thing but sol cant double tap his q? Thats all he needs nothing else. ( besides a rework i mean )

again, lux's q hitbox is smaller than sol ultimate so sol has a tool, which this player missed.

Nyarlathοtep

If you can't land shit you don't deserve to win, simple as that. you can't land shit, you can't do dmg/cc so you lose.

Of course i wont land shit if my enemy sidesteps everything. The problem that the caster of the skillshot spell has no agency over it, while the target has. Besides why should they win the game when they have agency over my spells while i dont? Do you even balance ( tho despite having no agency thank god average people just walk into the spells ).

again, lux's q hitbox is smaller than sol ultimate so sol has a tool, which this player missed.

I hate it so much when someone says 'player missed' ( though this particular was a bit missed, though you cant blame him the frustration must have been big ) despite the fact that that said player has no power over it. I mean for god's sake how can you miss when the enemy sidesteps it. ( by that i mean that he didnt miss it, rather his enemy avoided it ).

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

If they manage to sidestep everything you use they outplayed you. At that point you're clearly doing something wrong. You not having any agency over your spells is BS, you're the one aiming & shooting them.

Yes an enemy can sidestep them, if they get a 100% dodge rate on you tho. They're just beter than you.

Otherwise nothing except stuff like Annie would be viable in high elo.

And yes a player can miss their spells. Not landing something is Called missing something.

In this case the aurelion even missed her by a mile.

Nyarlathοtep

If they manage to sidestep everything you use they outplayed you. At that point you're clearly doing something wrong. You not having any agency over your spells is BS, you're the one aiming & shooting them.

Thats called sidesteping. Outplaying requires, well to play it better. And the caster of a skillshot can only aim so well compared to the target. And AGAIN. The target can see the skillshot THUS react ACCORDINGLY. If you see a nida spear YOU WILL SIDESTEP IT. That said nida cant do anything about it. Predict your movements? Too bad you can still see it and react accordingly. My god you make this more difficult to understand than it is.

Yes an enemy can sidestep them, if they get a 100% dodge rate on you tho. They're just beter than you.

Or again, they react accordingly.

And yes a player can miss their spells. Not landing something is Called missing something.

When you someone (generally) says miss their spells it means that its the fault of that said player. However most of the times (again) its just that the opponent right clicks in the sides. Or was out of the range. Thus avoiding and not missing.

In this case the aurelion even missed her by a mile.

Cant argue with that but again, frustration of feeling helpless.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Thats called sidesteping. Outplaying requires, well to play it better.

If you sidestep everything your opponent uses you play it better.

My god you make this more difficult to understand than it is.

i'm really not. i get what you're saying but it's just not true that you have no agency over your skillshots. there's more to it than just shoot in that direction. there's mind games, predicting/reading your opponent, etc...

Or again, they react accordingly.

If they get hit by NOTHING. they're playing perfectly and unless you are dodging everything perfectly too they deserve to win lane and played better that game.

Nyarlathοtep

If you sidestep everything your opponent uses you play it better.

Not really but lets just agree that we disagree on this one.

i'm really not. i get what you're saying but it's just not true that you have no agency over your skillshots. there's more to it than just shoot in that direction. there's mind games, predicting/reading your opponent, etc...

How do you have agency over something when its traveling (skillshot)? And i told you even if you try to predict your opponent he still can react to it. What kind of mind games? Care to be specific? Because i sure havent found any worthwhile. And what etc?

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

There's plenty of things you can do, you can make it less obvious you're gonna shoot something in a multitude of ways, i've seen blitz's use their laugh emote to immitate their Q to get the enemy on edge, thresh's run after one person just to hook someone else, etc...

Like if you expect a list of ways to get a skillshot on your opponent 100% no chance of fucking up/missing/being dodged i'll have to dissapoint you. it's also champion & matchup dependant. for example Jinx vs blitz. When jinx Zaps blitz gets a few seconds to hook her while she's "rooted" in place.

Stars Shaper1 votes

I have to agree with this though I know how frustrating it can be (Mastery 7 A-Sol here).

This is usually why you build item 3116 and item 3030. These 2 items are must have if you want to be able to control the enemies position. Plus an Aurelion Sol should never stay still.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

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looks like an outplay by janna to me. getting in melee range is supposed to be his weakness.

Would be nice if he had more options to prevent others from getting into melee range in league of mobility

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

that's a problem for plenty of champions, it's what happens when everyone and their mom gets a dash (or more than one).

In this case however that doesn't matter as janna's mobility 100% comes from her MS.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

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that's a problem for plenty of champions, it's what happens when everyone and their mom gets a dash (or more than one).

In this case however that doesn't matter as janna's mobility 100% comes from her MS.

Movespeed creep is part of league of mobility

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

it's alot more forgiving and healthy than Dashes though. a dash (except WW ult) can't be reduced, ms can be reduced. aurelion also has a great MS buff himself which this one refused to utilise.

Shahamut3 votes

Aurelion was my first mastery 7 champion :(

So sad he is countered so easily by all the mobility in the game.

Xion The XIV3 votes

I truly think I just watched one of the funniest things in LoL.

Penns3 votes

or he can press W earlier or hit his ult hehe

ZeroAgainst2 votes

what the fuck did i watch?

KlydeFrog2 votes

No one plays him because he sucks . High skill cap for nothing gained

Jamenawerl2 votes

So much this. I have played every champion and no one feels as clunky and unrewarding as Sol. Not even close. Including pre-rework Sion, Poppy, Yorick, Urgot, etc.

Honestly he is the only champion I think should be overpowered in competitive to compensate for his skillfloor.

KlydeFrog2 votes

Indeed. As in the video Janna almost killed him

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

A shame riot doesnt care...

AmazoX1 votes

He deserves a way to live against those who have dashes, fucking shame Asol has a kit like this for being the dopest champion in league.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

He needs some weakness. If you want to change that, you have to change his permanent passive damage uptime. He isn't even weak right now, he seems pretty strong.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

was this URF or something like that? because janna ulted twice in 40 seconds. aurelion ulted twice there aswell.

aurelion missed his shit though. he had a chance to nail her with that q that moved over her head, if he had reactived it.

Dankest Khan1 votes

Sol is only viable when facing an off-meta teamcomp without dashes and gapclosers.

TheDevice1 votes

haaaah thats actually funny :D

Ahristocats1 votes

He missed his ult He could have literally used Q+Ult combo to kill her

He could have run in a straight line and get bonus movement speed from E

but he decided to stand still

nothing wrong indeed

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