Playing Support

dropout04·Apr 12, 2015·3 votes·966 views

I was playing supp as lulu with a sivir adc my adc and mid lane said i was ksing. i ended the game with 6 kills and my adc did with one. the first time i got double was in lane she wanted to trade while i was at base and when i got her and the other where low so i ulted her threw out a q and got double ans he flipped out on me. the second time i got double my ult was cool down she had like no health they dived us so all ic ould was shield her she died right when he died my ult came up i ulted my sleft and got a another double they blamed me for that too. the other two in tram fights i threw out autos and got kills and they told i was bad supp. and my mid laner died 4 time in lane solo and said that it my fault.so my question was i being a bad supp or was my mid and adc just bad?

9 Comments

RailiosApr 12, 20155 votes

Take the kills. Sub optimal is bullshit, unless you are building sub optimal on the support. Anyone being fed supports the team and maybe you were playing better than them this game and needed to carry from the support position. ADC players needs to stop thinking that the game cant be won if they aren't super fed.

PartholonianApr 12, 20153 votes

I don't think you should take CS that they could have gotten (outside of targon's), but there's no wrong way for an enemy to become dead. They should stop thinking about who "should" have gotten that kill, and start thinking about what your team can do on the map with that player dead.

Follow up your kills with objectives, and it won't matter who the kills are on, because your whole team will be fed.

Doctor DymentApr 12, 20151 votes

Well... generally the whole idea about that it doesn't matter who gets the kill is just a little bullshit. I'm perfectly okay with the support taking a kill or two in lane if I am any ADC. Any ADC except for Draven. If I play Draven, or if you support anyone who plays Draven, if you steal kills... They will be angry at you. And you really shouldn't be angry back.

PartholonianApr 12, 20151 votes

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Well... generally the whole idea about that it doesn't matter who gets the kill is just a little bullshit. I'm perfectly okay with the support taking a kill or two in lane if I am any ADC. Any ADC except for Draven. If I play Draven, or if you support anyone who plays Draven, if you steal kills... They will be angry at you. And you really shouldn't be angry back.

This is why I hate Draven (on my team). Kudos to Riot to making his gameplay completely reflect his egomaniacal personality, but it pretty much makes the people who play him become ragey jerks unless everything goes perfectly their way. Which also reflects Draven's lore personality wonderfully, but is very little fun to play with (as a duo lane or even as anyone else on the team).

SluicewayApr 12, 20152 votes

If you took the kills when the ADC was there and in a position to close out the kills, it is a sub-optimal situation to have the kills on the support. If, on the other hand, the ADC is out of position or dead (thus cannot secure the kills), and you, as the support, are in a position to secure it, it still benefits the team. Either way, it does not make you a bad support (unless you are taking kills deliberately to starve out the ADC). Likewise, it does not mean the ADC you were supporting is bad. As a support main myself, you will find that, sometimes, you and the ADC player don't work well together. In those instances, I find it helpful to roam and make plays elsewhere on the map, then return to the ADC in the company of the mid laner you just fed a kill to, or with the jungler you helped steal an enemy buff or sneak a dragon. You are the team's support, after all, not just the ADC's support.

Edit: I say sub-optimal as a generality: a Caitlyn with Infinity Edge is worth more to the team than a Janna with an Ardent Censer (something I prefer to build on her to add the attack speed to the ad boost her shield gives), since Janna is not as dependent on items to be useful as Caitlyn is. On the other hand, the faster a support Morgana gets a Zhonya's, the better. So it is dependent on the champion to a degree.

dropout04Apr 12, 20151 votes

Well there was time i went roam when they there other two in our lane died and they where at mid after theycame back to life so i went to try the help our mid laner and he went it with no help died and my adc got mad because he got tower and wasn't there and mid said it was my faul that he died even though we pinged danger and him to wait until i got there im just so confused on why they blame everything on me

ErockandrollApr 12, 20151 votes

ADC keeps dying, over extending to try to chase a kill.

enemy bot lane keeps pushing into tower.

I begin to last hit the enemy minions while the ADC's still in base, because they would die to the turret anyway.

get a kill, because the Enemy ADC tried to dive me under tower, and I caught him with my binding.

and at the end of the day, everyone still has no Idea How I could afford Frost Queen's, Morello's, and Zonya's as the support.

NoMonkuApr 13, 20151 votes

It depends on the situation. As an extra note, you really need to work on writing proper sentences as well so it is easier to understand what you are trying to say.

Anyways, from what I understand from your post, I don't think you did anything wrong. In all cases it is BETTER to have the kill then NOT have it. If the person actually had the chance to take it, then it can kind of be in a gray area because it is true that it is better for carries to get kills over supports. If you take the kills to prevent them from killing your teammate and/or because your carries died, they are YOURS and you deserve them.

ShogunaiApr 13, 20151 votes

First of all there no such thing as KS, its a team game. Of course you want your carries fed an as a support, kills aren't really doing you much good because your not building damage items. If you allies are standing around with low health there isn't much a lulu bubble can do to keep someone from dying, its meant for damage mitigation not invincibility. Unfortunately as support its our job to protect an set up plays for carries to take control of the game, when this doesn't happen the blame is easily pointed toward us. When its the other way around when a support is doing all those things an the carries get fed all the glory goes to the carries its just the nature of the beast. If you did the best you can do then your not a bad support. A lot of this game is about decision making an following through with the decision that was made.

Example, I'm supporting an ADC during lane phase. I have bot lane completely warded an there no way a surprise gank will occur. Enemy jungler comes in, I move to a safe distance, ping my ADC warning as the jungler continues to come to my lane an destroys my ADC. I did my part, a 2v3, my ADC is at half health, has plenty of time to reposition, gets advanced warning, yet chooses to continue to CS. There nothing more I could have done but to feed the jungler or ADC more kills. It was his/her own fault they died, bottom line not if there weren't any wards, pings, etc then the fault would have felt on me.

This game is a digital version of chess, as the game changes, us as players has to adapt. So as long as you did all you can then you shouldn't be doubting yourself. In addition you can always exercise your mute button when people are flaming you.

Hope this helps - good luck on the rift.