Aatrox

Sairotra·Mar 12, 2017·8 votes·1,501 views

Riot, Aatrox was fine, now he is gutted, unusable beyond anyone could have ever imagined, what goes through your mind when you rework a champ please explain.

21 Comments

SlythionMar 12, 20173 votes

"aatrox was fine"

alright, I understand no one likes the rework but let's not spread lies here

pee jugsMar 12, 20174 votes

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"aatrox was fine"

alright, I understand no one likes the rework but let's not spread lies here

better than he is now

SlythionMar 12, 20171 votes

I never said new aatrox was better

Ahegao BunnyMar 12, 20173 votes

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"aatrox was fine"

alright, I understand no one likes the rework but let's not spread lies here

What was wrong with aatrox? He had 49% Winrate, Had skillshots and an unique design many player liked. Some player got diamond with him and I for example really enjoyed his design. Forcing him to be a bruiser with less heal and damage but more tankiness and not always having his GA passive.

If you want to have a tank with CC just pick maokai or nautiluss like they do in pro play. If you want a tanky autoattacker pick jax, irelia, shyvanna. Why can't we have atleast one toplaner who is fun to play?

Edit: And the funny thing is since they nerfed him nearly everywhere even bruiser/tanky Aatrox is worse than before.

SlythionMar 12, 20173 votes

he was fine in comparison to the rework, but to compare old aatrox to the rest of the champion roster he was:

linear a stat-checker out-classed by anyone who was meta limited by his passive (couldn't be buffed without getting broken) limited by his costs

not to mention he screams wasted potential

I'm not saying new aatrox is better, but old aatrox was far from perfect. Both versions still require a full rework imo

Ahegao BunnyMar 12, 20171 votes

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he was fine in comparison to the rework, but to compare old aatrox to the rest of the champion roster he was:

linear a stat-checker out-classed by anyone who was meta limited by his passive (couldn't be buffed without getting broken) limited by his costs

not to mention he screams wasted potential

I'm not saying new aatrox is better, but old aatrox was far from perfect. Both versions still require a full rework imo What meta. I play normal duos or flex games... there is no meta. Kill enemies and destroy nexus. And whats so bad at low pick rate? For me it's a pro not a con. And why would you buff his passive? Free GA+AS and a little mechanic to represent Aatrox nature - totally fine.

He was fine... maybe not perfect but at the end perfection lies in imperfection. It's no fun to play a hero who is perfectly rounded and balance. He is my second most played hero. Wouldn't play him that much if he wouldn't be fun.

Sadly Riot wants to make him more rounded and thats. And weather he will be again just a exotic pick or the absolute meta pick I just see him beeing less enjoyable.

SlythionMar 13, 20172 votes

you have every right to think he was fun, but you gotta understand that the other 99.6%+ of league's playerbase considered him the old yorick 2.0 who got outclassed by pretty much everyone.

He wasn't bad persay, he was just never good

Personally, I feel as though his rework should be centered around buffing his teammates and growing stronger as he losed hp. That's pretty much all the lore gives us, but we have yet to see even a wisp of ideas coming from riot to even try to match his kit to his lore. The only reason I dislike Aatrox is because his lore gives so much room to break metas and create a melee team buffer, the first of his kind...yet Riot just completely ignores it

talk about wasted potential :(

FailogMar 13, 20171 votes

Why does Aatrox need a full rework when we have OP champs running around right now that are super annoyign and unfun to play agains. Why it that Aatrox' kit is some big problem, but Riot lets other champions remain obnoxiously strong?

SlythionMar 13, 20171 votes

champion reworks/creations is a completely separate team than game balance

and Aatrox was left alone for 3+ years, it's not like Aatrox is their baby-child like Lee where he always take priority. Everything in the past 3+ seasons has taken priority over this neglected yorick 2.0

AZ FrostMar 26, 20171 votes

49% win rate? Bc he is played 2 times out of the year and won a game?

Ahegao BunnyMar 26, 20172 votes

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49% win rate? Bc he is played 2 times out of the year and won a game?

wow, most of the cheesy elo tryhards in lol preffer to pick easy heroes and just look up what is "god tier". Than i would fight with Aatrox against them and just rek the shit out of them on the toplane. Sadly Riot saw that you could win with Aatrox toplane and decided it is time to nerf him hard?

Because if you complain about him beeing to weak the rework is mostly a nerf.

FailogMar 12, 20173 votes

He had a 49% win rate and Aatrox mains were able to keep 60% win rate with him. He was nearly in a fine state.

SlythionMar 12, 20171 votes

don't talk about his 0.4% play rate don't talk about his generic kit don't talk about the overwhelming community agreement that he needed a rework (and I'll be honest, I've never seen an anti-aatrox rework post until you guys decided you don't like change)

He may have been fine from a balance perspective (even though a 0.4% play rate makes it very unreliable data) but he was farrrr from "fine" in any other field

FailogMar 13, 20171 votes

Blah blah blah. You learned from the boards well. You have it ingrained that his kit is "generic" That wasn't an original thought that you had, you just are saying what others have said.

Yes the community wanted some changes. What Riot did only made his problems more pronounced.

Also the play rate is a self fulfilling cycle. People hear that Aatrox sucks and they never buy or try him.

SlythionMar 13, 20171 votes

Blah blah blah. You learned from the boards well. You have it ingrained that his kit is "generic" That wasn't an original thought that you had, you just are saying what others have said.

No, I just played a lot of aatrox in s5 and am able to form my own opinions
who cares if others have said it? Does it make the statement any less false? 2+2 = 4, no matter who said it first lol
I wouldn't be saying it if I didn't believe it, im not some talking bird that just repeats things back

you had no reason to disregard what I said except for the simple fact that you disagree with me, which is just childish

Yes the community wanted some changes. What Riot did only made his problems more pronounced.

why are you still trying to compare new aatrox to old aatrox. I've said it multiple times now, I think both versions are lackluster. Idgaf about comparing them, literally the only thing I said was that old aatrox was not fine, how does new aatrox factor into my comment??

Also the play rate is a self fulfilling cycle. People hear that Aatrox sucks and they never buy or try him

"people don't play him because they hear he's bad, not because they just don't enjoy the champion"

...ok, that's just a vague "fact" that can't be proven or disproven so I'll just write it off as something you believe (without evidence) to try to support your already-formed opinions

ChernorizecJun 22, 20171 votes

Apologies for the delay in reply, I just got back to league and I am devastated with what they have done with Aatrox.

The only reason he had 0.4% playrate was because he has one of the highest skill caps in the game and he is a high-risk champion. If people put the the same effort into learning most other champions, they will have a higher win rate with them. Thus the pick rate.

SlythionJun 22, 20171 votes

Uh...Aatrox does not have one of the highest skil-caps in the game though. There aren't many sites to source specific data to prove it, but just from looking at his kit he lacks any true expression of skill.

You have timing his W and managing his Passive Bar. Those are really the only 2 unique forms of his kit for player skill expression, and even those aren't too difficult.

As for the "high-risk" champion he definitely was, I'll agree with you on that. Old Aatrox was extremely item-reliant and really couldn't do jack squat without having a lead. I can't comment on new Aatrox as I haven't seen him enough and I haven't really played him, but for the rest of the quote where it's "high reward" I would really disagree with you.

As for his win-rate, I don't think that was ever really part of the discussion. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure my argument was that his kit is generally lack-luster with incredible wasted potential

ShadowwalkerMar 12, 20173 votes

Even after hotfix he still isnt strong enough lmao.

LuminierMar 13, 20172 votes

It's because riot conveniently forgot that in order to be a drain tank, he needs attack speed to proc his W more frequently. If you build him like a tank (the direction they're trying to push him towards), he's not gonna have attack speed for shit, therefore minimal sustaining. He does no damage as well unless you build him as a DPS.

ShadowwalkerMar 13, 20172 votes

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It's because riot conveniently forgot that in order to be a drain tank, he needs attack speed to proc his W more frequently. If you build him like a tank (the direction they're trying to push him towards), he's not gonna have attack speed for shit, therefore minimal sustaining. He does no damage as well unless you build him as a DPS.

Even when you build some DPS you also need the tank stats which are so expensive which is very flawed since he can't have one or the other without items like some champions do. Too expensive of a build by then the enemy is already ahead and building their cheap build to do more damage on top of their build in % health damage and effects.

ChernorizecJun 22, 20171 votes

I've been searching polls like this one in order to voice my contempt for riot's half-assed attempt to 'just do something' and meddle in the champion's kit. The new changes made the champion worse and unplayable at any high level by even the 0.4% of people who used to love him.

Please give the future development to someone who actually LIKES and cares about the champion.