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Bring back bans in ARAM

Lesrin··27 votes·9,043 views

Ill never understand this, ARAM is a game never meant to be truly balanced or fair and its fun lies in the luck of the draw and the more relaxed thought free gameplay you engage in. however we can all agree that some champs in ARAM are simply punishment of our hubris for thinking we deserve to have fun (looking at you teemo) some of us remember not so long ago when Riot cared about our sanity and added bans in, i wont lie, i dont think ive ever been happier, it brought ARAM from a game mode i played now and again to something id play more then summoners rift, especially if i had a bad game or simply didnt want to have one, it brought aram from a ok game mode to kill time with friends to easily one of the most enjoyable experiences i could have in LoL. All of a sudden those Champs that are just instant wins, or even if you win feel like losses, with just a click of a button you could take out and make the game more balanced and simply more bearable, with 150~ Champs in the game at no point is 10 missing (assuming no double bans) truly limiting any experience to any degree, it simply helps remove the frustration from the game mode thats supposed to be there for fun anyway. Riot removed these bans saying something along the lines of "we don't like how the bans are constricting the play styles and variety on the howling abyss so we decided to remove them" i just cant follow this logic at all, would that not also apply to summoners rift? how does 10/150 (a 6.6%) champ pool reduction affect anything other then letting players at their own tiers, ban who is strongest against them at their level, something riot has always had a extremely hard time balancing, the pro and casual communities of this game, since some champs simply arnt a problem at one end and cant be stopped at the other, is this not why we have bans?

At the end of the day, what im hoping to do is raise a thoughtful discussion and see if anyone can help spread some light on this issue and see if i can understand the thought process, id hopefully like to start a petition of sorts, and would like to see if i cant get enough people to get Riot to see this and think about putting the bans back in, everyone i have ever talked to wants them back so i'm curious to see what everyone else here thinks, let me know down below

TLDR:** Vote me up for a petition to bring bans back to ARAM or at least talk about it with me below**

22 Comments

Ice Weasel X10 votes

Please no. When bans were temporarily enabled in ARAM back in April, the champ select dodges were driving me nuts. People kept dodging because they saw that champs that they weren't even guaranteed to get were banned. 15 minutes to get through a single champ select phase was not fun.

Lesrin3 votes

Ill never understand dodging becuase a champ you wouldnt have gotten got banned, it just makes no sense

Semaj3xt4h5 votes

Agreed, I wasted 5 minutes one day between the 25 second ban timer and then people waiting the 55 seconds till they dodge... was just insane, ppl wanna blame aram accounts for OP teams or seeing veigar 4 games in a row, its just how the RNG model multiplies against the time so certain days/weeks you'll just have a higher chance to roll certain champions... EDIT: The bench is the BIGGER offender IMO...

Sir Baffendor1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ice Weasel X,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAVkWndN,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-20T02:44:18.675+0000)

Please no. When bans were temporarily enabled in ARAM back in April, the champ select dodges were driving me nuts. People kept dodging because they saw that champs that they weren't even guaranteed to get were banned. 15 minutes to get through a single champ select phase was not fun.

That's the exact reason why aram bans were so much needed, the players dodging were 100% all sweaty aram account kids having their best picks taken away. I won't ever mind slightly longer queue times if that means getting more balanced (and bearable to play against) team comps.

Veigar, Lux, Ziggs, Xerath, Pyke...there are so many champions I could think of that I feel like I find waaaaaaay more often than any other. And what do you know, the bench (while not being an inherently bad idea) actually worsen team variety. Hell, before chances were you'd get ONE super annoying champ in the enemy team, very rarely two; now it's a complete travesty, had a game a while ago against a lux/veig/pyke comp and even if we won (they had an afk) I honestly couldn't bear to keep playing.

Pendergast8919 votes

Bring back bans AND unlock all champs so aram accounts, or those with nothing but champs that stop in aram as a coincidence, can't ban out their bad champs and further restrict their pools to supreme pickings

Beetle Blast10 votes

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Unlock all champs

You would think a gamemode that is supposed to be random would have all the champions unlocked in the first place. Not to mention this could actually give incentive to buy more champions cause you would be getting champions you don't have/play.

Also screw Veigar. Litterally every 1/5 games I play in ARAM I swear.

Leetri2 votes

How does random = every champion? If I roll a die the result is still random even if the die doesn't have every single number in the universe on it. Random just means it picks something random out of the available pool. Even if you somehow only had 2 champions available it would still be random, a figurative coin flip. I own ~120 champions so it doesn't really affect me either way (on the record I'm for Riot making all champions available), but saying "It's RANDOM" doesn't mean everything has to be available.

Beacon Academy6 votes

Should also actually randomize it.

As someone with all the champs unlocked, I always get the same group of champions, even with re-rolls.

Icy Hot Shoto2 votes

Unlocking all champs, in just aram, would cost them too much money according to an actual Rioter. So sadly they'll never do it.

Which is even more of a reason for them to bring back bans. If it's gonna cost you too much money to unlock all champs in just ONE mode, then give us bans. Those don't cost anything. At least, I hope they don't since they're part of normal draft and ranked.

Semaj3xt4h5 votes

quit blaming aram accounts, some days ppl just have a higher chance to roll certain champions its literally how the random function works in almost all computer programming RNG models. One day I played against ashe AND sylas THREE games in a row but that was like a week ago and I havent seen either champion in aram since. ITS NOT ARAM ACCOUNTS ITS LITERALLY JUST HOW -RNG WORKS, it takes .time and multiplies it by a number giving you the result which is exactly why some days/weeks certain champions have a significantly higher chance to be rolled ffs.

AquaKip9 votes

It’s not suppose to have bans, it’s a casual game mode and is meant to have fun with cool builds or just messing around, if you can’t handle some champions being there occasionally then just don’t play it

Lesrin1 votes

Im fine with it bein casual but with some champs having insane winrates in aram going as high as 60% commonly or even spiking to 70% and same champs having as low as 20-30% winrates not having bams becuase its "casual" is like saying the should remove all aram specific buffs and nerfs, remove the aram healing reduc and just remove the balance becuase it doesnt matter anyway its just for fun right?

Mr Dalloway8 votes

No. Bans are stupid. The same fun champs get banned over and over and then you never get to play them. Instead why don't you focus at getting better at ARAM so certain strong champs don't impact you as badly. Or just go play ranked if you want bans.

Sir Baffendor1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Dalloway,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAVkWndN,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-20T09:10:50.906+0000)

No. Bans are stupid. The same fun champs get banned over and over and then you never get to play them. Instead why don't you focus at getting better at ARAM so certain strong champs don't impact you as badly. Or just go play ranked if you want bans.

  1. Bans can't possibly cover all the "fun champs" you speak of, they do help to avoid finding multiple of them in either teams (which is completely fair and balanced, if you ask me)

  2. Please don't go there. Some champions are objectively better in Aram than others, winrates speak clearly. You can't just say "get better at the game" when most of the times you're forced to play suboptimal picks (that is if you don't own an aram account, obviously).

  3. No. Because I want to chill and have fun in a non-competitive setting. Ironically enough, when I'm in a match against an enemy team comp with more than one "fun champ", I'm forced to actually try hard to avoid getting our team completely steam rolled.

Buck Strickland6 votes

Senna and Shaco be gone!

Jaspers4 votes

I'm fine with bans but am more in the camp of "Remove the Bench."

The Bench is what allows people to form perfect or poke heavy comps in the first place. The other day I rolled twice got 2 bad picks so just took the one first rolled. There's no risk.

Remove bench and see the amount of poke heavy comps reduce.

Toolmaker3 votes

"restricting playstyles"

I see all of the same champions every game, and everyone turtles cause they're too bad to engage.

Semaj3xt4h4 votes

Yeah or just waits to ks while they farm... Well timed engage break the molds and throw team comps off, won a few games recently just because we surprised engaged and it through their ap malphite off.

ff 20 please ty2 votes

wait, bans aren't a thing in aram anymore xd

Xena War Chick1 votes

Noooo bans, bans just added so much more time to the overall game between dodges and ban phase. It really wouldn't stop anything, like akali is still gonna have +18% dmg and take what like 12% less damage?? with the new presence of mind change she's gonna just be godly... I agree having a 5v5 melee all out brawl IS fun but adding ban's won't force people to play those champions, you are still going to have people dodging because they got someone they don't know how to use and don't want to learn a new champion etc...

Inkling Commando1 votes

you can give a person something but you cannot expect them to take it. in other words you can add bans but there will be players (such as I) who will not ban any champion period. so would you rather have up to 10 bans or no bans at all? keep in mind that while it may not happen it is possible for no champs to be banned even when bans are an option. oh look at that word. option. bans are optional. there is no rule enforcing bans and if a player chooses to not ban anyone then you're gonna have to either deal with it or dodge and wait for a team who will ban champs. then there are some players who will troll ban by banning a weak ass or forgotten champion glances at Corki so in short, if bans returned (which they better not) there is nothing preventing a player from not banning any champion regardless of how stupid broken they are, ARAM or otherwise.

Lesrin1 votes

I really dont care if you dont ban them though thats the thing, its your call and your Option, so by all means you do you, but dont i get my Option on what i want? On weather id like one singular ban or not?

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