RIOT champion decisions and why they are bad.

Cpt Baldbeard··4 votes·548 views

Welcome. I'd like to start talking about issue that impacts many people in league, what im talking about is riot games not looking for good solutions and making desicions like everybody in their balancing team is probably in bronze. At this point you can probably think im like Shaclone or Hashinshin but if you want to hear the arguments keep on reading! Lets start with so called ,,tank meta"- when riot heard about it, first thing that they did was nothing. Well done! No? Thats not good? Well, after few patches they thought the same thing and nerfed many tank items and tanks themselves, in the current ,,tank meta" it changed, in game, tanks in early to midgame are nearly unkillable BUT when lategame comes or an adc is in lead they become borderline useless becouse of 3 items, last whisper, LDR, and BORK, so if they dont have enough cc they might aswell become anonther free kill. RIOT didnt come up with a solution yet, but i have one that might fix it. Nerf early tank items so they will be killable but not paper, and nerf anti tank items so they will be in their role without being useless lategame and broken early, simple eh? Next comes up the case of riot listening to wrong people, for example, dariusDarius is one of the weakest champs right now in my opinion, the only thing you have to do aganist him is right-click away from him, hard right? Darius is a champ with one of the simpliest counterplays ever made, you dont have to be a genius to think about it, yet still he got nerfed to oblivion with BC nerfs and passive nerfs, why? I dont really know, even before the nerfs you could beat him easily by picking one of the many champs that beat him (jax, rumble, jayce, fiora, riven, camille, gankplank and many more, even if you can play your champ well you can easily beat him) yet still he is nerfed to oblivion for some reason, lets think about it for a second, who is not intelligent enough to not know tow to play aganist him? Bronze/bad silvers. Hmmmm, makes you think what is the reason for those nerfs. The main point is, that riot nerfs the champs that have the counterplay but if you dont play using it you get punished hard, but this is how the game is suposed to work right? Turns out no, you get rewarded for playing champs that have NO counerplay, for example: CamilleCamille . Her mobility is huge, her damage is so high that i once screamed at night beacouse i was so suprised when her q dealt 400 true damage for no reason, her stun is long, her slow heals her and its aoe, its literally darius but 2x stronger that had baby with fiora and camille came out, camille is a champ that is not interesting for me at any point, nor hard, yet still you get so highly rewarded for just picking her, that picking skillful champs isnt worth it anymore. Conclusion? Riot rewards players for having good champs and not for having skill, i'd call this meta slavery. The next segment is about how riot forgets how champions work, with that comes Xayah, but i'll get to that later. Now im going to talk about the position that everybody is talking about: ADCCaitlyn . Adc mains are famous for complaining how bad is it for them and how weak adc is even when meta is so heavily ADC influenced that in espoets there are whole teamcomps revolving around protecting ADC. I as a toplaner call adc's ,,babies of league" - think about it, they need a babysitter to make them useful, they are delicate like a toddler and are so toxic that they can tilt both teams at once because they cry so much. But recently i thought about it for 5 minutes and realized that their complains are totally Unfounded. They complain about that every assasin kills them in a blink of an eye, well guess what, assasins are made to kill squishy tardets like mages and marksmans, that is how this class works, and this is how your class works, you are squishy and have high damage, in lategame you smack everybody off the face of earth, you can't complain that you are squishy, this is how ADC works, deal with is or just change position. But unfortunally riot was so moved by crying of ADC mains that they decided they will do the same thing that they did a few years back with irelia: give players what they want. They created the most stupidly broken champ ever on his position: xayahXayah , this champ is so stupid in his idea that it should be deleted from game and here is why. ADC mains complain a lot about how their champs have no aoe (they keep forgetting about sivir, trist etc.) so what riot did? Give them AOE based adc, i guess that is specific but fine i can deal with that, next thing is no escape and no ,,zhonya for adc" in that term we can get back to the point when i talked about how adc works, well i will repeat myself: this is how adc works! But riot thinks the other way, we give next adc 2 seconds off the map while he is dealing aoe damage (that is a stupid idea, dont you think?) and they did. In lategame every good adc will use this 2 second window to win the whole game, in lategame there are a lot of situations where you have only one chance to kill the carry, well, now you have to get a second chance because if you dont you will loose aganist xayah, that makes her broken, but her mobility is unfortunately even a bigger problem, with warlord changes adc's have mobility if you choose to, and if you add the bonus MS from xayah from her skillset you move faster than sion on r (you dont really but you are fast af boiiiii) that is another problem from adc class that is solved! We're getting close to haveing a perfect adc with NO COUNERPLAY, but wait, this is what this game should be about, using the weakness of other champ and fighting aganist his Strength. When champ dosent have counterplay, you cant play aganist him, it would be somewhat fine if she had low damage and no cc, but that is not the case, she has aoe burst, she can delete whole team in an blink of an eye, its like assasin on steroids with AOE damage. She also has CC which is even more idiotic, she has a root that deals huge damage. Do you see any weakness? Beacouse i really dont see any flaws that would make her weak at any point of the game, so why does riot nerf darius to the point that he is one of the weakest atm yet still think that xayah is balanced? They are either ,,not very intelligent" or just very low elo DrMundo .

Im open for any arguments aganist my thesis, or support if you agree, sorry for so much talking but i had to cover this topic completely.

16 Comments

HalcyonDweller3 votes

tldr version:

"There's a problem and I'm angry about it!

Implication that Riot Balance team is special-ed, and bronze.

Tank meta: Riot too slow, then they overdo it. I KNOW WHAT IS BEST!!! iz simple fix.

Riot listens to the wrong people when deciding who to buff and nerf.

Marksman mains are all whiners.

Introduces Xayah as champion Riot made to give whiners what they want, when in reality the design process is actually much more complicated than just listening to players.

Oversimplification of how Xayah works and declaration that she is broken by listing strengths but not discussing weaknesses.

Re-declaration claiming that the post proves how Riot balance team is stupid or bronze.


I would hardly call this a 'thesis' when you've got it so chalk-full of logical fallacies that it doesn't even support itself.

Cpt Baldbeard1 votes

could you tell me how many weaknesses does xayah have? Besides are you trying to tell me that she isnt broken atm? Have you played a single game aganist her?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

By all means, check my history. I've won several games against her.

You just have to sidestep the feathers and bait her into using the double-feather throw. You can't try to go directly at her because that is what she is designed to do. After she uses the double-feather you just move off that line and she loses her snare and the burst from her E.

Cpt Baldbeard1 votes

last time i played aganist her i got bursted in the blink of an eye and there was no way to sidestep becouse, guess what, her r has huge aoe, yet still that dosent change the fact that her cooldowns are far too low and her snare is just too much for her kit, she would be broken without it anyway

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Without her E she would not be anything. The Feather damage on return is the majority of her damage.

Her Ult projects a lot. And if you aren't standing right in front of her then the E won't pull too many of the feathers from it through you.

If you're playing Divers or Juggernauts I could understand your frustration a little better, but most Marksmen simply don't have any good reasons to get close enough to her for that.

Cpt Baldbeard1 votes

i understand that without her e she would be useless but the snare is unnecessary, it feels like her kit is kinda too overloaded

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Ok, that's a fair point. Maybe it is overloaded, so let's talk about how.

You mention the snare. So for her E she has pullback on feathers placed with her passive, if enough of them hit she gets a snare. Probably unnecessary reward, since she already gets more damage from hitting more of them. But it does help her do her job better as a kiting marksman. I'm not sure how well she would function without it since her range requires her to get closer to the enemy to auto-attack and place the feathers anyway.

What about the rest of her kit?

Cpt Baldbeard1 votes

still this reply dosent change the fact that people get rewarded for not playing skillful champs, only the good ones

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Meh. That is half true. Here, I fixed it:

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still this reply dosent change the fact that people get rewarded for not playing skillful champs, only the good ones for playing good champs more than for playing skillful ones.

I'm still not sure how that relates to the rest of your point though.

LostFr0st1 votes

To get people to read the post and respect the opinion, consider not opening the post with:

I'd like to start talking about issue that impacts many people in league, what im talking about is riot games not looking for good solutions and making desicions like everybody in their balancing team should be in A center for the handicapped or is in bronze.

Cpt Baldbeard1 votes

i knew that would be the most Controversial part but i decided to go for it

LostFr0st1 votes

Consider editing it, as it distracts the reader from the actual content of the post.

Cpt Baldbeard1 votes

i did, thanks for tip, at the beginning of making this article i was tilted so hard but later i decided that it wouldnt be a complete article abut my tilt, it would be an article why im tilted

LostFr0st1 votes

So, to comment on the actual content, both armor pen and BotRK are getting adjusted during the midseason update.
Darius had a very high play and win-rate, along with very high ban-rate right up through Master/Challenger tier, which is why he saw nerfs. The nerfs didn't even affect good Darius players much, it just trimmed power from the cases where a bad Darius would get a lucky passive proc in a fight.

Camille (I'd personally throw WW in there too with the cheeze ER interaction) I have no words about. She's very strong and I'm most glad they made it so the heal applies when a champ hit is included. Her healing up on the wave was a huge problem.

Xayah just got released. Of course she's overtuned. People also haven't figured out that if you walk sideways you'll take next to no damage from her e which is where the bulk of her damage is.

Cpt Baldbeard

well Xayah when she gets as she can burst you down and 1 shot most people with r combo so that somehat disables walking sideways because you cant walk when you are dead

HalcyonDweller1 votes

<deleted> others made this point in the comments.

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