So when are we gonna get a Karma revert

Zeno Karashi·Apr 10, 2018·12 votes·5,559 views

Since everyone is doing it

13 Comments

Rico NastyApr 11, 20185 votes

I think some people are looking at old Karma through rose-tinted glasses. Was her 39% winrate that fun? Was the fact that her kit had no real direction or unity fun? I like her overall concept but let's not act like she didn't need SERIOUS tweaks. As a Karma main myself, I love new Karma, however I do agree that old Karma was an interesting concept (did not work at all sadly), and I think it'd be dope if they could fuse the unique elements of old Karma with the more functional elements of new Karma into a cohesive battle mage kit with supportive tendencies. ALSO BRING BACK HER FANS!!!!

RocketRelmApr 11, 20183 votes

I don't have super investment in old karma, but I will say that "Was her 39% win rate that fun?" being used like an argument sounds disingenuous. Being deliberately left in the gutter with Poppy wasn't a flaw of her kit. It was the reaction her kit elicited from riot. Her kit did have problems, but that wasn't one of them.

UpDownLeftRightABApr 11, 20181 votes

Old poppy was great once you learned how to play her. Overall win rate isn't everything, some champs take time to learn. I don't really like how Champs have to come out with a 50% win rate, since then once people learn the champion matchups, it's not gonna be a 50% win rate, it's going to skyrocket.

Weiss GuertenaApr 11, 20182 votes

First, low winrate isn't an argument here because when reworked Karma actually had similiar if not lower numbers for both winrate AND pickrate, requiring several buffs to be decent. So if fixing winrate was the big deal, they could've just skipped on the rework and gotten straight to the buffing part.

Second, where's the new Karma's direction and unity tho? She excels at nothing, having a bit of everything instead; poke, burst, CC, self-sustain, shielding, buffing. Her spells can't be allowed to be strong or exciting by themselves due to this and Mantra essentially having no cooldown if you land your spells properly.

I played lots of old Karma and new Karma is still one of my mains. She is still extremely fun, but not as much as old Karma - and she also lacks any direction, character or thematics old Karma has. If she needed tweaks is a different topic - but there are "tweaks", and then there is "deleting a champion and replacing then with someone else with the same name". Former are welcome, latter is certainly not.

Seviel VoroseApr 10, 20184 votes

Whish it could happen. The reworked Karma has never been as unique and fun as the old one.

TNHA BaritoneApr 11, 20182 votes

Whish it could happen. The reworked Karma has never been as unique and fun as the old one.

Wish, it could happen. The reworked Karma has never been unique and fun.

FIFY

jocomotionApr 11, 20183 votes

God I hope not. I can name three things I like about old Karma that the current one doesn’t have. 1: her old passive (though terribly implemented) was cool 2: her shield bomb 3: her fans (not as a theme but as a decoration) I don’t want the old clothesline W. I don’t want an shield without movespeed. I don’t want a wonky looking fan animation on her Q, I don’t want two mantra’s. Don’t get me wrong she needs an update, but as a Karma main I don’t want a revert.

Risen29Apr 11, 20182 votes

New karma's ingame model is worlds better.

UltîmaApr 11, 20182 votes

I just wish she'd get back her shieldbomb and tightrope mechanics. Karma's rework was probably the only VGU to remove more features in a champion's kit than adding them. Honestly they could give her some love in a small-to-medium scale GU to make her gameplay more interesting and nuanced. There's no way more can't be done with regards to her kit (and to a lesser extent, her model and animations).

thecowleyApr 11, 20181 votes

What was old karma? I play the current one as she is a good general support that can build aggressive if you win lane and keep the poke up

ZapMyHeartApr 11, 20181 votes

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What was old karma? I play the current one as she is a good general support that can build aggressive if you win lane and keep the poke up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-luWRMDICA (Kill compilation).

There used to be a video on YT that showed old Karma surviving a lot of ultimates (especially Karthus' press R and win) in one game with her Mantra Q or E, but I couldn't find that one ;(

You were never able to dive an old Karma under tower because she was a master at punishing you for stupidity. Even a 2-man dive are usually not successful either.

Death by GlamourApr 11, 20181 votes

Only thing thant needs to kept is her w

JustaNewbApr 11, 20181 votes

All the way back to the Original Karma. Who fits in now with the new items she has at her disposal. Not the "I nuke super hard with one spammable ability, but I'm expected to use 2 other weakened abilities to ignore my damage and try and support with."

The original Karma's kit was fine, it lacked healing and shield punch. This was before healing/shield boosting items.