Joke, did I said Patch 9.11? Sorry, Joke.

Mowgli IV·May 29, 2019·25 votes·9,583 views

Patch 9.11 is a JOKE! An incredible number of irrelevant changes, even nerfs to heroes who were not strong at all. We waited for 3 months in season 6, if I remember well that Graves got a nerf. In the last season, we had a case with Zoe, which was OP for half a season. And what's happening now? and Amumu get a nerf after just a month of being "viable" picks. Yeah, PantsAreDragon started playing them in Challenger NA, but we already could conclude that some of some players don't belong there. If some challenger player start playing them more often, that doesn't mean that they are OP or strong at all. Yes, their winrate may be 53% + but that doesn't mean that heroes are stronger than they should be, this may mean that 53% of the player base are not familiar with the existence of the item called QSS.

As for , your buff did not made a difference, it's a cinderhulk change that made him better. Yes, a few high elo players started playing hybrid ap / tank, but Amumu as Amumu is not much stronger than Sejuani for example.

Both, Amumu and Rammus have their weaknesses, and struggle in early game, you don't need to nerf champions if 90% of player base is not familiar with existence of invades.

revert is also a joke, so now you've turned Zac from being a really nice tanky initiator to AP JOKE, "Gragas wannabe", but instead of throwing casks to your job you need to throw yourself in the enemy team and try to survive long enough to full combo, and probably deal half the damage that Gragas would have done anyway. WHY ?! Why would you turn the champions from being a tanky initiator to the AP assassin? Is there any point? His kidnapp ultimate is just so unique, why would you ever turn it back to Gragas ultimate v2.0?

Conclusion: Please do not touch any jungler items anymore, because everytime you buff some type of it, the next 10 patches you try to adjust those changes by nerfing champions like Rammus and Amumu. These champions weren't viable picks for last 2 years. These changes were totally unnecessary, hopefully you will revert them, because if someone can't buy QSS, they don't even deserve to win against Rammus. Also, if you want so desperately new AP jungler, make it, do not change tanks into AP jokes.

Btw, with conqueror is still in the game, but existace of Amumu and Rammus is obviously too much. Seems "OKAY" to me. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

93 Comments

PolarEclipseMay 29, 201922 votes

You don't want rammus to be nerfed, while he and nunu is your most played in ranked, both with over 60% winrate?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, nothing biased about this at all, no sir.

Rammus deserves a nerf, and so does many other champions, time time frame of how long it took for other champions to be nerfed is 100% Irrelevant, He deserved one, so he got one. People will still kill themselves if they are attacking you.

Mowgli IVMay 29, 20192 votes

Me having 60% winrate on them means nothing. Talking about Rammus and how does he deserves nerfs, he does not. Let's just compare him to other champions and you will hopefully understand my POV. There is Conqueror Hecarim in the game. He has stronger early and late game comparing to Rammus. Also he doesn't get completly countered by QSS. It's much harder to stop Hecarim oneshoting your carry even though he is bruiser, than Rammus. Rammus is so weak in early, there are only few matchups where he MAYBE can win early, but that's just because of how weak some champions are. Am I biased? Maybe, maybe not, I just saw reaction by LS and IWD, and both of them "agree" with me, that Rammus nerfs are joke. Even though I don't agree, let's say that Rammus is best jungler in the game, actually was. The thing you need to do is to buff other champions, not to Nerf Rammus. Anyways, I appreciate your response, thank you on giving your opinion, even though i don't agree with it. #BuyQSS [slayer-jinx-catface]

IP MasquerenaMay 30, 20191 votes

LS talks almost exclusively about pro play and high challenger.

Of course those champs aren't OP there and so he does have the reactions he does, but that doesn't mean they don't need touches. Go swap from LS to Mobalytics for example, Rammus and Amumu are S tier for a while now.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

By "For a while now" you mean 2 patches? Talking about difference between high/low elo situation, there shouldn't be such a thing, considering Ramuss' simple kit, there shouldn't be difference between gold and high challenger Rammus. Difference is between other 9 players in high/low elo. And if it's not champion's kit what makes him strong, than he shouldn't be nerfed for players in low elo don't buy QSS or don't know how to peel. [slayer-jinx-catface]

IP MasquerenaMay 30, 20191 votes

If it was that simple you wouldn't have that high of a win rate on him in Diamond, or you calling Diamond low elo?

Rammus was on and off the S tier for Mobalytics for quite a good bunch of patches, not just two.

Rammus is super strong if he gets going, but the main reason why he isn't that strong in pro play, read as, at all, is because those guys will punish every single mistake, that includes picking a weak early game jungler and they will coordinate to make his life hell, but in yolo que that's not the case, a simple QSS won't save you every time you need it.

Yea, I met a Rammus in my Silver games, made him go 1-14, because I knew his team won't help him, but that goes the other way around as well, if you don't stop the Rammus when he's weak, he can take over the game.

Again, you claim QSS is such an easy kill on Rammus, but you have a high win rate on him in decently high elo, not really high elo, but decently high, so your points are contradicted by other facts we can see.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

The only difference between silver and diamond players, at least on EUNE, is that diamonds learned to OTPing will help you climb, and that's why they are higher rank. I was in all ranks trough my LoL career and that's the only thing that makes bronze/diamond elo different. Sad? Yeah, for sure. But that's also truth, there are afks, trollers, literally everything is same as in bronze. Players are not thinking about enemy team, not invading weak early game junglers like Rammus, building same items every single match.. etc So conclusion is that, for EUNE at least if I tryharded enough I think that I would reach GM with Rammus at least, but that doesn't mean that Rammus is OP or smth, that just shows how unaware enemy players are. Next time when you hvae Rammus in your team buy QSS as your third item and you would have 0 problems in mid game.

Haze97May 29, 20193 votes

Thanks for getting that. I've been playing Rammus and he's by far the best anti carry in game who will 1v1 and fucking carry late game and burst them down in seconds.

Those who think Rammus doesn't deserve a nerf haven't played against a good Rammus main.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

You are missing the point here, Rammus can easy be countered by item 3140

So, for love of god #JustBuyQSS

Sewer SideMay 30, 20192 votes

90 second CD vs 7 second CD taunt :thinking:

Also ignoring Rammus deletes any squishy. He’ll just easily 100-0 your mid laner or your non bruiser top/jg/support

You’re biased as hell. Anyone with a brain who’s played Rammus lately knows how absurd his ganks after first clear all the way to 40 minutes.

Haze97May 30, 20191 votes

And fall off late game? No thanks. Most carries need that last item 3080 or item 3026 . Stop defending your main. Rammus clearly needs nerfs and shouldn't be allowed to 100-0 any carry with one taunt.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Intresting that LS and IWD for example have same opinion as I do, even though they are not climbing with Rammus. And it's intresting that no one was mentioning Rammus as OP champ 3 patches ago, for example. Again not bias, was playing him at start of the season, no reason to be bias. My most masterypoints champ is Hecarim, and I can say that he is way stronger than Rammus, but for some reason Riot decide to nerf Rammus and Amumu instead. My point is not critizing for nerfing RAMMUS and AMUMU, but NERFING Rammus and Amumu.

As for item 3080 , there is small amount of carries which want that item in their build. Most of carries are taking Legend: Bloodline or BoRK. Also there is lifesteal in item 3139 .

You can build your first two items normally, go for QSS, and continue with your normal build... Conclusion: #BuyQSS*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

BronzsuoMay 30, 20191 votes

Qss is not an early game item. 1300 golds for the first item that carry literally nothing useful at that point is stupid beyond belief. Not even tank do that.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

2 core items >qss >continue buid [slayer-jinx-catface]

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Btw there are Malzahar and Skarner in the game too so Rammus is not the only champion who makes you build QSS

BronzsuoMay 31, 20191 votes

2 core item = 1 upgraded attack speed boot and one IE if you are generic adc. If you go for Qss immediately, you won't deal any dmg. The reason why Qss is a luxury item is because it give little while taking a chunk out of your eco. A defensive stat item is the worst item any offensive champion would take during that time frame. Buying Qss is almost equal to having your opponent getting 4 kills ahead of you.

Bob the ToastrMay 30, 20191 votes

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You don't want rammus to be nerfed, while he and nunu is your most played in ranked, both with over 60% winrate?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, nothing biased about this at all, no sir.

Rammus deserves a nerf, and so does many other champions, time time frame of how long it took for other champions to be nerfed is 100% Irrelevant, He deserved one, so he got one. People will still kill themselves if they are attacking you.

Rammus is only strong because ad champs (both adcs and bruisers) are strong right now.

Also if you look someone up to make a point, your argument is invalid.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20192 votes

Wait, someone agrees with me. lol FInally. The saddest part is if tanks and mages eventually get buffs, he will be forgotten forever

jordanlourens1May 29, 201914 votes

True, better nerf Rammus than Hecarim LOL!

Mowgli IVMay 29, 20192 votes

So sad mate, so sad. Hopefully they will revert these xD*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*

Sewer SideMay 30, 20193 votes

Hecarim got nerfed twice with halving his % increase and nerfing Conq even more

MyAccountStolen1May 29, 201910 votes

the ease of playing rammus and amumu... they dont deserve to be this strong.....

SweedishGunnerMay 30, 20191 votes

Yeah they deal way too much damage whilst being nearly unkillable 1v1.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Rammus deals 0 damage in early and late game. If you want to late game come faster just buy QSS.

MorticianjohnMay 30, 20191 votes

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the ease of playing rammus and amumu... they dont deserve to be this strong.....

No champion "deserves" anything even if they take a long time to master the mechanics

ModAcademy KaynMay 30, 20195 votes

We're reaching Peak BoardsThink now.

Pandemic PunchMay 29, 20194 votes

I CANT WAIT for Zac. He was one of my most played before they turned his ultimate to trash. The only thing I don't like about it is the change to his W. Building AP isn't optimal and having to build 200 AP JUST to get the W to where it currently is on live is kind of ridiculous. Still worth it though. I can't wait to have good ol Zac back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lolipopevelynnMay 29, 20194 votes

wait, are they really nerfing amumu? LOL.

The thigh guyMay 29, 20194 votes

Riot had to nerf them. 2 tanks viable at the same time? Not in 2019!

Critmaster GarenMay 29, 20194 votes

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Mowgli IVMay 29, 20191 votes

Not funny at all! lol... [poppy-wink]

Critmaster GarenMay 30, 20191 votes

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Not funny at all! lol... [poppy-wink]

depeds if you have a sense of humor i guess.

HopeStartsWithUMay 30, 20193 votes

Dw, it was insanely funny. I was looking for such a joke lmao

Z3SleeperMay 30, 20193 votes

Akali and Jayce nerf, as a top laner, this patch pleases me.

SweedishGunnerMay 30, 20192 votes

As a mid laner this also pleases me. Jayce has been nuts for ages.

A Chaotic MindMay 30, 20192 votes

And what's happening now? and Amumu get a nerf after just a month of being "viable" picks. Yeah, PantsAreDragon started playing them in Challenger NA, but we already could conclude that some of some players don't belong there. If some challenger player start playing them more often, that doesn't mean that they are OP or strong at all. Yes, their winrate may be 53% + but that doesn't mean that heroes are stronger than they should be, this may mean that 53% of the player base are not familiar with the existence of the item called QSS.

the fucking mental gymnastic on this one imagine if riven/yasuo had a 53% winrate how hard would you cry for a nerf. oh wait tta was literally 2 weeks ago

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

You have reply of "Glaricion" up there :

"They are incredibly flat mastery curved champions with reliable cc, of course they're going to have large winrates. If Yuumi, Azir, Akali, Singed... take about a dozen games just to become decent with, other champions who you can almost safely first time with'll necessarily be picking up the slack."

And i can't agree more with this statement. Riven and Yasuo are really hard to master, and if champions with high skill cap have big winrate, that means that they are simply stronger than average champion. It doesn't mean that they need nerf, it's maybe because of conqueror, if we consider that 2 best champions on top (Aatrox, Riven) and 2 best junglers (Hecarim, Rek'sai) using conqueror, but hey, that's another topic to discuss. If you want to get rid of Rammus just

#BuyQSS [slayer-jinx-catface]

A Chaotic MindMay 30, 20191 votes

except the only time i've seen people with less than 100k mastery playing riven was last patch. she was too strong. she got nerfed (imo she could use another nerf). do not be salty your freelo also got nerfed [slayer-jinx-catface]

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Intresting that LS and IWD for example have same opinion as I do, even though they are not climbing with Rammus. And it's intresting that no one was mentioning Rammus as OP champ 3 patches ago, for example. Again not bias, was playing him at start of the season, no reason to be bias. My most masterypoints champ is Hecarim, and I can say that he is way stronger than Rammus, but for some reason Riot decide to nerf Rammus and Amumu instead. My point is not critizing for nerfing RAMMUS and AMUMU, but NERFING Rammus and Amumu. #BetterNerfRammus*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

A Chaotic MindMay 30, 20191 votes

your entire argument is: since a is strong we should not nerf b despite b being strong also iwd is a methhead crying about everything and last "G2 is going to lose to JAG in a BO5" shadow... lmao [slayer-jinx-catface]

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Since A being much stronger than B, there is no reason in the world to nerf B before nerfing A, yes. And talking about these 2 guys, they are much better players and have much more game knowledge and everything actually about the game, than two of us. Yeah LS made wrong prediction maybe, but that doesn't mean that we should forget that he is maintaining Master elo in Korea, and that he is actually coach btw. [slayer-jinx-catface]

A Chaotic MindMay 30, 20191 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/kr/master/plus/grid/ then he should be happy they're nerfing rammus and amumu since they both have a +10% winrate over hecarim in korea master+ [slayer-jinx-catface]

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Less than 200 games. With pickrate peaking 3%. This shows that Rammus is not being op because of his kit, but because people don't know how to counter play him And you know how? #JustBuyQSS*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

A Chaotic MindMay 30, 20191 votes

korean master doesnt know how to buy qss. ok lmao D E L U S I O N A L

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

I'm the delusional one, but at least im not calling B tear jungler OP... [slayer-jinx-catface]

SuperTopLFBottomMay 30, 20191 votes

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Since A being much stronger than B, there is no reason in the world to nerf B before nerfing A, yes. And talking about these 2 guys, they are much better players and have much more game knowledge and everything actually about the game, than two of us. Yeah LS made wrong prediction maybe, but that doesn't mean that we should forget that he is maintaining Master elo in Korea, and that he is actually coach btw. [slayer-jinx-catface]

LS is the leagues equivalent to literally every famous idiot in the world convincing the entire league community he knows what he is talking about when 90% of his "predictions" are absolute bullshit.

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20191 votes

Wouldn't agree mate, maybe his predictios are false and bad, but you can't deny gameknowledge and skill he has, comparing to us.

GlaricionMay 30, 20191 votes

Mu does deserve to be toned down slightly. He bursts pretty hard for having such strong semi-reliable CC.

Is hilarious though that Mu and Rammus are getting hit so soon after becoming relevant. Like, 25% damage off of Rammus' ult base damage at every level, really? How long did it take for Riven and Vayne to be touched, and with less?

As for "their winrates!" though... They are incredibly flat mastery curved champions with reliable cc, of course they're going to have large winrates. If Yuumi, Azir, Akali, Singed... take about a dozen games just to become decent with, other champions who you can almost safely first time with'll necessarily be picking up the slack.

Zac and a lot of the other changes look fine though. (giff old Karma)

Mowgli IVMay 30, 20192 votes

What Riven nerfs? She is same as was before... lol And exactly that was my point, about how hard their gameplay. We can see Akali being hit even though she is on 42% winrate. And she is on 42% winrate cause people like me randomly picking her in ranked, not knowing to use combo properly. Rek'Sai, Hecarim, AAtrox and Irelia are untouched this patch btw, so sad... The saddest thing is amount of people who think that Rammus deserved nerf... [zombie-brand-clap]