garen build

The Original One·Aug 24, 2015·2 votes·1,489 views

So what I see is that garen a top lane tank just steam rolled over a adc, our jungler, the top laner, ap carry by building just armor and magic resist. This. Is. Broken. You do no damage do to having no damage items. And you are in kill able do to a passive that regens health on top of the tank items you build so basically, I get him to about 100hp out of 4000. He then runs away spamming q and I take 1 creep wave. 1 wave to myself and boom. He's back. Full health. No new items. No upgrades. Within 20 seconds. It was great to see him get a buff that allows him to crit as he spins....that's a great idea. Might as well make his other 3 abilities including the ultimate have no cool down. Spamming q and w over and over again. Spin to win. Yeah, good champ. Great buff. Much intelligence. Very skilled. Thoughts?

18 Comments

unskilledplayer1Aug 24, 20154 votes

i'm pretty sure Garen was always able to crit while he spins.

redniwediSAug 24, 20152 votes

Not always, I don't think, but it's been long enough that I doubt more than a handful of people remember it without having to look it up first to verify. I've played Garen since season 1 and I don't even remember.

fasegaAug 24, 20151 votes

Even before his rework you could Crit on E that's why AD garen would build Ghostblade and IE

Critmaster GarenAug 24, 20152 votes

here is what you have to understand.

garen isnt a tank. hes a carry. yes, his job is it to deal damage. as much as possible to as many people as possible (or ideally to the villain).

he is tanky, because unlike a melee adc like fiora or yasuo, or even champs like riven he lacks mobility, ranged abilities or any form of hard cc and utility. unlike a ranged adc hes entirely restricted to melee.

this creates a situation where hes incredibly weak to kiting and crowd control and can be blocked off completely out of a fight. champs like anivia, or azir can ruin his day by throwing a wall into his face.

so he has to be tanky enough to survive getting in range and then survive long enough to do his job.

another important part people are missing is that garen has no form of in combat sutain like lifesteal or darius or renektons heal on their q available to him. his passive only works out of combat and is more of a safety net against hard counters in lane, and to give him something useful in sieges (being able to body block skillshots for his team). that also contributes to the need of him being even more tanky to compensate.

while other champs have hard gap closers, utility, hard cc, lifesteal, ranged poke abilities (even if its just olafs axe) available, garen, darius, morde, and skarner are concentrated packages of damage and tankyness in melee range, and highly susceptible to kiting.

you have to play around the fact, that most champs cant just fight them directly in melee when their cooldowns are up.

redniwediSAug 24, 20151 votes

First thing you need to know is that Garen is not a tank. He is a primary fighter, secondary tank, commonly referred to as a bruiser.

The second thing you need to know is that Garen's E is his spin, not his W. Also his passive only works out of combat, and scales with level. Early on his passive does nearly nothing and has an 8 second cooldown. I would recommend reading his kit before posting about him.

Third and last is paragraph breaks. They make your post easier to read. Please use them.

AyRe CoNteMpTAug 24, 20152 votes

first thing you need to know is that garen WAS a bruiser due to his good ability scalings and strong dueling/nuke potential.

the second thing you need to know is that his damage mostly comes from his non-scaling true damage that makes it obsolete to build any damage items on him. rather just get full tank and cdr and be completely unkillable with your W while easily being able to instagib the villain no matter what.

third and last is if you kill the villain, another enemy who has at least 1 kill will instantly become the villain so in a 5on5 fight, you can kill the villain and then move on to the next villain and basically crush everyone despite being full tank.

redniwediSAug 24, 20153 votes

Garen's scaling got better with 5.16.
This is the least true thing I've read all day. Tank Garen is pretty much useless, and no Garen main will tell you otherwise. Garen has next to no CC, so he NEEDS damage in order to be a threat. True damage makes him a threat to one person, and if that threat can kite Garen now has no damage to speak of. Garen lost base damage on his E in order to significantly improve it's scaling with AD, so building no AD means you can swap that sword out for a wet noodle.
The villain mechanic has a timer to it, so it is possible to be half way through a game and have no one be the villain after the first villain is slain. Also full tank means you have no regular damage, so unless the villain is already around 10% health your damage isn't going to be noticeable.

AyRe CoNteMpTAug 24, 20152 votes

you obviously have no clue about the new garen so its irrelevant to discuss this. if you have ever tried to duel a garen and checked your death recap, we wouldnt have to argue about this.

by the way, why do you build garen exactly the way i said he should be build yourself? are you stupid or trolling me? either one it has to be. you go full tank + CDR and say he needs to build damage. man you are such a joke ;D

redniwediSAug 24, 20151 votes

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AyRe CoNteMpTAug 24, 20152 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=redniwediS

every game black cleaver + dmp + sunfire/spirit visage.

redniwediSAug 24, 20152 votes

Thank you for the link, now we can have proper context here. Keep in mind Sterak's Gage is not yet on op.gg, so if you don't believe me when I say the blank spaces on the top two Garen games are Sterak's Gage please find another source.

I will say this again since you don't seem to believe me. Black Cleaver, Sterak's Gage, and Last Whisper are not tank items, they are damage items.

AyRe CoNteMpTAug 24, 20151 votes

so those three were your first three items every game?

btw i only see one LW game

redniwediSAug 24, 20152 votes

Black Cleaver is first or second. Last Whisper I built last, so you will more often than not see components for it rather than the finished item. I've replaced Last Whisper with Sterak's Gage in my build order since 5.16 came out, and I build it right after Black Cleaver.

Also why on earth am I explaining myself to you? Even if I only buy Black Cleaver that's one damage item, which cannot be in a full tank build. If you can't see that I can't help you see it.

AyRe CoNteMpTAug 24, 20152 votes

i said cdr+ tank is the way to go. obviously bc was part of that and you denied it, now you build it yourself + multiple tank items. your build is not a bruiser build, its a tank build. even if you include lw as your last item

redniwediSAug 24, 20152 votes

I didn't deny anything, you're simply classifying an item that is clearly damage as only CDR.

It has health, CDR, attack damage, and armor shread. That is an offensive item.

It is a bruiser build, as the**_ literal_** definition of a bruiser build is 1-2 offensive items and then full tank.

A full tank build, on the other hand, has no offensive items.

On top of my 1-2 offensive items I use scaling AD reds. I end with 200+ AD, with more effective AD after the armor shread has been applied.

AyRe CoNteMpTAug 24, 20151 votes

nope, a "bruiser" build doesnt exist. fighter champions like irelia for example build for dueling, thats the "bruiser" build if you want to call it that. its a build that allows them to be super strong 1on1 and force multiple people to take care of them because one is too little. thats a duel build or a "bruiser" build.

for example, my shyvana jungle build is devourer, titanic hydra, deadmans plate, black cleaver, scimitar in that order. this is a "bruiser" build because its almost optimal for 1on1 scenarios while maintaining immense teamfight pressure.

tho as you can see, i have only one resistance item built in and even tho you can have two when not limited by the jungle item, thats allready very late in the game and you lose alot of dueling power with it, hence its not a bruiser build anymore.

for garen, a duelist build would be black cleaver, youmus ghostblade, deadmans plate and then whatever the situation requires. with that build. my shyvana cant kill you even tho she is one of the strongest duelists in the game. she COULD kill you before the patch but with the villain power not anymore. true damage is too much.

but if garen goes black cleaver sunfire spiritvisage deadmans plate, i can kill you easy. thats the difference between a tank build and a bruiser build. a duelist builds to kill one person, a tank builds to take an entire teams damage for X time to do his job.

but whatever, you seem to refuse to learn., so good night.

redniwediSAug 24, 20152 votes

Right, I'm the one that refuses to learn, and yet you're the one who is completely ignoring wording that has been correct for years simply so you can use it in support of your argument.

Just don't be surprised when the next person says you're using the term bruiser wrong. And the person after that, and after that.

Hopefully you'll end up using it correctly sometime.

The Original OneAug 27, 20151 votes