But for crying out loud, if you take the kills, do not flame your ADC for not having kills. That is all.
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RookPusher28 votesAs a support main, I approve this message. Take all the kills you can. If you touch CS without Targon's, you're a shame to the Guardian title.
Related: Using Targon's should give you some indication of how much CS you took that went to your ADC, or didn't. It's a lot harder to track where I am on the "not stealing CS" front when I'm tanking.
ThwartinMaPlans10 votesIt's ok to hit minions as a support at times. Gta get them tower last hits set up properly. Oh...and ffs thresh players.....watch ure e's charge and stop screwing up cs.
Fondling Gems5 votesOoof, the pain of being a thresh player and watching your adc failing to last hit under turret. Actually got flamed one time and I was just like "What do you expect? My auto does more damage than yours!"
B1naryB0t1 votesBard Main, same problem.
ThwartinMaPlans1 votesgta hit em with the ignite tl's bard man baby. They'll rage at u but ull still get first blood
DarkRitual3 votesI sometimes get harassed for splitpushing a support. When my team is trying to group for teamfights. When our teamcomp has 0 chance of winning a 5v5.
Like... how about we not play into the enemy strengths, and splitpush and make good picks/ambushes instead? I'm fine with doing what the team needs, but getting aced in a 5v5 is never what the team needs.
RookPusher9 votesI'd argue that team fights are lost becuase the support isn't there.
AMYS GRAVE5 votesWhy are grouping and split pushing mutually exclusive?
A demonstration of superior judgement.
DarkRitual2 votesSure, sometimes. But those are usually bad fights to begin with. If we have a better teamfight comp, I won't bother splitpushing and stick with the team to make plays happen.
I just know that sometimes aram'ing down mid doesn't work. Sometimes, even as the support, you have to take matters into your own hands to take objectives.
Troll for Trump2 votesIf you already lost a teamfight, stop blindly grouping and find otherways to win. Teamfights aren't the only way to win, which people often forget.
You're not winning against 
EROTIC RAID BOSS8 votesthat's because splitpushing as a support is a massive waste of time. it takes forever and you have gold generation from other sources. you should try to always let a laner collect that CS. there's always something significantly more useful you could be doing with your time, like teamfighting or vision control. its tilting as hell to be 4v5 because the support is in a side lane for 30 seconds trying to 'push'. this is actually one of the worst things I see from bad supports
AMYS GRAVE4 votesyou should try to always let a laner collect that CS.
Then a laner needs to go collect that CS, because at low elo i can't count the number of towers lost to minions because no one bothered to go there.
Fargo791 votesAs a support main, I approve this message. Take all the kills you can. If you touch CS without Targon's, you're a shame to the Guardian title.
Related: Using Targon's should give you some indication of how much CS you took that went to your ADC, or didn't. It's a lot harder to track where I am on the "not stealing CS" front when I'm tanking.
i havent checked lately.. but it used to tell you how much gold you made using the support items... but like i said.. i havent checked in a while..
SGT Dingle Berry15 votesIt's unfortunate how little value people put in the assist score. I had an ADC recently who was getting flamed by the jungle and top because his kills were low, they both ignored the fact that his assists added up to almost the exact number of kills they had. It's not hard to get the kill shot, just ask any poor support who gets flamed whenever that happens.
Laughing Fish12 votesThis is especially true with more utility supports like Sivir and Ashe. They do a lot to help their team, and deal high DPS, but can't always get that final burst to actually get the kill themselves.
ChaoticPinecone3 votes[{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HuTZBGpH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-12-22T17:41:14.729+0000)
utility supports like Sivir and Ashe
lol
Foodtank6 votesThe real problem is when the bot lane support gets the kill, and everyone treats the ADC like they're fed. I've been 0/0/5 on an ADC and even in farm, but unless I get kills myself I won't really be ahead of my counterpart on the other team. Awareness of who has the team gold is crucial for decision-making.
Supreme Senpai694 votesI guess the question is why are you even in farm if the enemy bot lane has 5 deaths and you have none? They treat you like you're fed because you should be fed-- off minions-- in comparison to the enemy ADC, who has spent a lot of time dead (or his support has been dead, making it a 1v2, so either way.)
All the same, fair point
Kynami4 votes^ This.
Quality farm time to last hit without harassment while your counterpart has gotten the express trip to fountain.
And if you have an AP support like Sona or Zyra sporting those 3-5 kills they should be able to just about burst your counterpart down. Which should result in them losing additional farm from threat zoning.
RISE Shlack1231 votesIf you and your support are getting loads of kills, you should be ahead of your lane opponent regardless of how many kills you yourself secure. You get free farm or at least highly reduced pressure to farm when one of your lane opponents is dead, thus meaning you should be up in gold and experience. If you're not up in gold and experience yet you're 0/0/5, you're doing something terribly wrong.
Signed, a support main
Foodtank1 votesAgreed, this SHOULD be what happens, but every game has different factors (including player skill) that can affect this.
My main point was simply that when the support secures kills, it can create a skewed picture of where your gold lead lies, and expecting the ADC to hard carry when they only have assists isn't always realistic.
RISE Shlack1232 votesWell, if you've participated in 5 kills, let's break that down:
First off, in said example, you've died zero times. So lack of proper time in lane isn't an issue. There is more likely something wrong with your reaction to getting an advantage or potential advantage.
You've been a part of 5 kills, and in a typical bot lane scenario, that would mean that you and your support probably got a couple and your jungler was part of a couple too. So let's be fair and say 2 of your assists were solo assists and the other 3 were shared between 2 people. So the 2 solo assists equal 300 gold, and the 3 shared assists would come out to 225 gold. So that score in and of itself is nearly equal to being 2/0/0. If one less assist was shared with the jungler, then you would truly bee at 600 gold, or 2 kills.
To expand on the above paragraph, let's now determine the amount of advantages you capture from this. Since your score is 0/0/5, we know you haven't died. And if you got that many kills bot lane, you get a chance to free farm or shove the wave and get dragon. And if you've gotten that many kills bot lane, you've probably taken the tower as well. So that alone should equal a nice CS lead and tower gold lead too. Most of the time, first tower blood happens in the bot lane when there are 5 kills picked up down there. Not to mention the dragon buffs you come across - they vary but most are worth something in the game.
The only circumstances that would cause you to be even in CS is either you don't properly shove the wave before a back or you get chased by their mid laner every single time you get a kill. But this is very unlikely to happen and you still escape with such a score.
The point I'm making here is you're still getting fed even if you don't get a kill and go 0/0/5. You still get gold, free experience, dragon buffs, and extra time to CS while the enemy is dead or backing. You should be up by at least 20 CS and have their tower if your score is 0/0/5. And you'll be drawing a lot of attention bot, meaning your team will be securing towers and leads also. And their tower takes lands gold in your pocket, too.
tl;dr being 0/0/5 means you're still in a great spot, gold-wise, and should be fed enough to make an impact.
HexaDecimel6 votesI was hitting hella hard as Sona last night.....
MavenSong5 votes"Steal" is such an ugly word. I perfer... "borrowing" : ^)
Stormshadow35033 votesI use "Liberating"
Alutrosity2 votesIt's only okay to take the kill if it's clear the ADC is either going to die or is unable to take the kill themselves.
Situations in which taking the kill is not okay is when the ADC is both within range and not in danger.
Most instances of "kill stealing" I see happen in the latter scenario in which the support just isn't even paying any fucking attention and "Oops" takes the kill, or doesn't know when to stop attacking like a mongloid. The same can be applied for junglers who "don't know" when to back off after a kill is secured for their laner.
Just saying the argument goes both ways.
DarkRitual6 votesIf I'm playing Lux and land a snare at lvl 8, I'm pressing every key on top of them if my adc isn't right there. If they are there, Snare AA Singularity AA is usually fine to get them low enough for my adc to get it. Save ult in case they are a potato and I need to secure it.
SmilesNSunshine4 votes"save ult in case they are a potato" LOL
RISE Shlack1231 votesNo, it's okay to take the kill if ANYONE is about to die. If you're saying it's okay to let their ADC kill your support so you can get the kill, then you have a fundamental issue with how this game works. You don't want to give kills to the enemy, so if that means you have to take an assist instead of a kill, it's better for your team.
Your argument is full of Season 3 solo-carry mentality that is toxic to Season 7's League of Legends. You either need to get with the times or stop playing. Your attitude is downright terrible.
Alutrosity1 votesNo, it's okay to take the kill if ANYONE is about to die. If you're saying it's okay to let their ADC kill your support so you can get the kill, then you have a fundamental issue with how this game works. You don't want to give kills to the enemy, so if that means you have to take an assist instead of a kill, it's better for your team.
Nowhere in my post do I mention anything about sacrificing the support so the ADC can get a kill. I said very specifically that the support should only take the kill if it's to protect the ADC or if the ADC can't do it themselves. You do not know how to read, and are instead conjuring up an imaginary counter-argument to make it look like you have something intelligent to say.
Your argument is full of Season 3 solo-carry mentality that is toxic to Season 7's League of Legends. You either need to get with the times or stop playing. Your attitude is downright terrible.
Season 7 is already toxic, so was the season before it, so you can cut the self-righteous bullshit and end your irrelevant tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with my point. The point of ADC is to carry by dealing damage, their job is literally to kill people, and any support with their salt should know that, otherwise they are unworthy of the role.
Melledoneus2 votesFish, I'm not laughing.
YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB GYAAAAH
More memes. Double time!
Laughing Fish2 votesI know right? Who would have thought a post I made on gameplay would get upvoted?
Melledoneus2 votesTo be honest even unoriginal me has gotten to the front page with my gameplay posts.
Laughing Fish1 votesYeah but most of the time my gameplay posts are downvoted just because I call for Vayne and Yasuo buffs, and go on and on about how freelo Bard is....
Melledoneus4 votesThat's because you're a blundering fool with words. Your continuous overuse of gifs has left you weak in verbal persuasion.
Also, your topics suck haha
RISE Shlack1231 votesLol yeah Melledoneus hit the nail on the head - you've spent so much time developing a reputation for being a "funny" poster that your serious posts get ignored.
Perhaps if you had spent more time being original and weaving better topics into your memes over the past year or so...
Laughing Fish1 votesPerhaps if you had spent more time being original and weaving better topics into your memes over the past year or so...
RISE Shlack1231 votesLol then learn to deal with being downvoted into oblivion when you try to be serious, my friend.
Laughing Fish1 votesRISE Shlack1231 votesOuch you got roasted pretty good. But yeah, go calling for buffs on widely hated champs and you'll get that treatment. XD
Xonra2 votesIt actually took me a sec to realize it was you after I upvoted. Then I had to (legit) check to make sure I wasn't in the meme board. It broke me for a sec, I won't lie.
TeCoolMage1 votesComplains about KDA
Did least damage
Good job guys but you play jungle and support because you can't last hit, why suddenly start now?
Edit: salty support mains who ks everyone while complaining about KDA can't take a joke lmfao
DarkRitual5 votesI can last hit fine, but I can only play so many games with a support who is clueless. I'd rather just do the job myself. This is hkw I became a support main.
Supreme Senpai694 votesThis is how I'm going to become an ADC main, tbh. Can we fuse?
Laughing Fish4 votesThat's why I became an ADC main. I got tired of Bot lane feeding. Unfortunately, bot lane still feeds, I am just the one responsible now....
Nymzo4 votesGood job guys but you play jungle and support because you can't last hit, why suddenly start now?
???
EROTIC RAID BOSS3 votesthat doesn't count unless you're thresh lol, it kills anything below like 50% hp
