Bramble Vest Buff

ĆlockMan·Apr 17, 2019·5 votes·2,334 views

Why did riot add a 1000 gold item that wins you top? This company does not understand how their game works. They buff the items that can already win you a lane, instead of fixing bugs that have been in the game for years. Riot does not play their own game. They buff the shit that doesn't need a buff, nerf the fun items and champions that are fine without being touched, and then they try and make up for this by adding skins every two patches. This company needs to re evaluate where their priorities lie. We are about to enter another counter strike era with league where the company only wants to make money and they cuck the player base.

31 Comments

MrFawknSunshineApr 17, 20194 votes

the buff to bramble vest just brings it on line with the other grievous wound items .

item 3165 grievous wounds for 3 sec item 3123 grievous wounds for 3 secs item 3076 was grievous wounds for 1 sec now its is for 3 secs just as the other items

RagnaveilApr 17, 20191 votes

Not only that, but people need to understand that plain physical spells (or spells in general that are not on-hit applying) do not trigger thornmail.

fotios567Apr 19, 20191 votes

do you guys even play top lane? does riot? (the answer is no, they do not have a SINGLE top laner in their live design team). No one likes facing tanks. NO ONE. when a common top laner goes in to fight (darius jax renekton kled fiora many more) bramble vest just makes you kill yourself and unless u can somehow proc conqueror in lane ur fucked. Also, comparing the 3 items you compared is just wrong because of their pricing. If a tank builds bramble, unless theyre super behind they beat pretty much every bruiser in the game in lane. Second, stop being biased because you wouldnt want tanks in your lane either. Example: sion mid was viable for a bit and people bitched so much that riot literally changed his kit to make him non viable mid lane. No one wants tanks, and they're constantly recieving buffs, so why are they pushing them to top lane??? you wouldnt want them in your lane so dont push them to the top lane either

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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do you guys even play top lane? does riot? (the answer is no, they do not have a SINGLE top laner in their live design team). No one likes facing tanks. NO ONE. when a common top laner goes in to fight (darius jax renekton kled fiora many more) bramble vest just makes you kill yourself and unless u can somehow proc conqueror in lane ur fucked. Also, comparing the 3 items you compared is just wrong because of their pricing. If a tank builds bramble, unless theyre super behind they beat pretty much every bruiser in the game in lane. Second, stop being biased because you wouldnt want tanks in your lane either. Example: sion mid was viable for a bit and people bitched so much that riot literally changed his kit to make him non viable mid lane. No one wants tanks, and they're constantly recieving buffs, so why are they pushing them to top lane??? you wouldnt want them in your lane so dont push them to the top lane either

TOP LANE TANK MAIN !!!

they didnt increase the damage or armor or anything just the duration of the passive. every one runs triumph to get hp back for wining a fight so and conqueror heals , alot ofchamps in top lane have sustain /heals in their kits.

people need to get beyond this notion tanks are bad for the game. the game isnt about 1 vs 1 fights , its not mortal kombat this is a strategy game where you use the map and resources to control it and take nexus. you fight to gain an advantage to obtain objectives to get a lead.

and FYI no tank currently beats bruisers in lane. that is complete bullshit. bruiser/fighters/juggernauts have more damage out put and get to go damage runes and key stones and damage always out scale defensive.

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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the buff to bramble vest just brings it on line with the other grievous wound items .

grievous wounds for 3 sec grievous wounds for 3 secs was grievous wounds for 1 sec now its is for 3 secs just as the other items

But thats a freaking tank item dude noo way it doesnt go like this...

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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But thats a freaking tank item dude noo way it doesnt go like this...

why not? those other items are designed to beat tanks who have a lot of healing or other non tanks that heal . i mean shit nasus has lifesteal passive, darius heals on Q damage , fiora has a heal in her kit, aatrox so on and on .

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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why not? those other items are designed to beat tanks who have a lot of healing or other non tanks that heal . i mean shit nasus has lifesteal passive, darius heals on Q damage , fiora has a heal in her kit, aatrox so on and on .

Because tanks dont need to have damage alot and never die thats not balanced at all.

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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Because tanks dont need to have damage alot and never die thats not balanced at all.

BRAMBLE VEST DONT GIVE DAMAGE

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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BRAMBLE VEST DONT GIVE DAMAGE

Grevious wounds are a type of damage...

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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Grevious wounds are a type of damage...

its not damage

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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its not damage

well it doesnt let you heal for 3 seconds instead of 1 so its like you take alot of damage and cant heal it back for a long period of time especially vs a tank that does true damage or scales hard early and you cant get healing for 3 seconds because he bought that 1000 gold item... whats the counter to grevious wounds? :)

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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well it doesnt let you heal for 3 seconds instead of 1 so its like you take alot of damage and cant heal it back for a long period of time especially vs a tank that does true damage or scales hard early and you cant get healing for 3 seconds because he bought that 1000 gold item... whats the counter to grevious wounds? :)

item 1059 900 gold . item 3077 provides health regen . there is a rune that gives you life steal. there is a rune that gives you healing and true damage and there is a rune that returns % of missing hp if you have a take down (asst or kill)

so plz tell me how this change is gonna ruin the game

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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well it doesnt let you heal for 3 seconds instead of 1 so its like you take alot of damage and cant heal it back for a long period of time especially vs a tank that does true damage or scales hard early and you cant get healing for 3 seconds because he bought that 1000 gold item... whats the counter to grevious wounds? :)

also you arent going to build bramble vest just cuz, its a situational item just as thornmail is. it is more vs champs that are auto attack based. which kinda goes towards marksmen. not casters. riven is a caster she wont get grievous wounds applied to her unless she autos you. darius same, renekton , same, etc etc

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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also you arent going to build bramble vest just cuz, its a situational item just as thornmail is. it is more vs champs that are auto attack based. which kinda goes towards marksmen. not casters. riven is a caster she wont get grievous wounds applied to her unless she autos you. darius same, renekton , same, etc etc

The problem is on my elo on silver 2-1 people spam that item first and pisses me off so much or spam +300 armor when i have 90 AD thats why i said that....

MrFawknSunshineApr 19, 20191 votes

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The problem is on my elo on silver 2-1 people spam that item first and pisses me off so much or spam +300 armor when i have 90 AD thats why i said that....

if someone has 300 armor while you are only at 90 ad then something is wrong with you.

typically any ad top laner with out runes has over 60 base ad to start the game then you through in the adaptive runes for +ad then about 75-77 ad at lvl 1. you start with a item 1055 or item 1036 for another +8/+10 then you at 85+ ad at lvl 1. so how do you only get 90 ad?

and even if they were to rush a bramble vest 1000g . and start with a item 1029 at lvl 1 with their 1st buy they still need to come up with 700 g to finish the item. which means it typically wouldnt be til 5-8 min mark in the game based on how they cs or get an early kill ( which a champ who is rushing def should never get a early 1 vs 1 kill in lane) just to test this i went into a custom game started with item 1029 + item 2003 (4) spent all starting gold. 4 mins and 5 waves of minions to get 700 more gold to go back and buy item 3076 which still only gives 35 armor . my champ was lvl 4.

so lets take a typical top laner Darius with adaptive force (ad) +11 + item 1055 + item 1036 at lvl 4 ad (75ad) would have a total of 11+18+75 for 104 ad vs a Maokai who rushed the item 3076 for +35 armor + armor runes +12 + his base armor at lvl 4 48 for a total of 95armor

so for less gold darius has more AD (104) at lvl 4 4-5mins in game (750 gold for item 1055 item 1036 ) then maokai with 95 armor for (1000g )

but yes bramble is gonna break the meta and top lane

FFS

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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if someone has 300 armor while you are only at 90 ad then something is wrong with you.

typically any ad top laner with out runes has over 60 base ad to start the game then you through in the adaptive runes for +ad then about 75-77 ad at lvl 1. you start with a or for another +8/+10 then you at 85+ ad at lvl 1. so how do you only get 90 ad?

and even if they were to rush a bramble vest 1000g . and start with a at lvl 1 with their 1st buy they still need to come up with 700 g to finish the item. which means it typically wouldnt be til 5-8 min mark in the game based on how they cs or get an early kill ( which a champ who is rushing def should never get a early 1 vs 1 kill in lane) just to test this i went into a custom game started with + (4) spent all starting gold. 4 mins and 5 waves of minions to get 700 more gold to go back and buy which still only gives 35 armor . my champ was lvl 4.

so lets take a typical top laner with adaptive force (ad) +11 + + at lvl 4 ad (75ad) would have a total of 11+18+75 for 104 ad vs a who rushed the for +35 armor + armor runes +12 + his base armor at lvl 4 48 for a total of 95armor

so for less gold darius has more AD (104) at lvl 4 4-5mins in game (750 gold for ) then maokai with 95 armor for (1000g )

but yes bramble is gonna break the meta and top lane

FFS

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

You do know that 95 armor is -50% damage reduction right? so its not little at all +35 armor is huge for an item that only costs 1k gold its like a dorans gives +25 AD for 400 gold...

MrFawknSunshineApr 20, 20191 votes

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You do know that 95 armor is -50% armor reduction right? so its not little at all +35 armor is huge for an item that only costs 1k gold its like a dorans gives +25 AD for 400 gold...

dorans gives life steal. ad and hp. for 450 gold that is 55% less then bramble vest cost.

item 1031 40armor 800g cost item 3076 35 armor 1000g cost

and by going bramble vest/rushing the item it forces you into thornmail which once again is a very very situational item. and isnt a good stand alone def item. it is better when stacked with other armor items. once again the passives only effect auto attacks not all physical damage.

manolis201Apr 20, 20191 votes

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dorans gives life steal. ad and hp. for 450 gold that is 55% less then bramble vest cost.

40armor 800g cost 35 armor 1000g cost

and by going bramble vest/rushing the item it forces you into thornmail which once again is a very very situational item. and isnt a good stand alone def item. it is better when stacked with other armor items. once again the passives only effect auto attacks not all physical damage.

I know but it gives only +8 AD and 3% lifesteal and 80 hp what im saying is i dont know if you are aware but remember when Riot removed the Runes and change the stats for every champ even if its tank or not? some tank champions received already +20 armor at level 1 or +25 and hp bonuses and even AD so yes buying a 35 armor item is alot after these changes riot has done 35+20=+55armor =100 armor not even at 10 minutes and you are ending up dealing 60 damage if you deal 120 normally and you get cut heal as well not only that but a tank has very high base stats from these old chnages on season 6 like 100+damage at level or 30+140% ad ratio with no items etc etc low cooldowns low mana costs shields ccs high base hp high base regen high mp regen thats what all tanks have compared to a normal top or assasin at early reaching 100 armor at 5 level is not balanced at all..tanks have 3 times better kda than someone who play something that isnt a tanky champ so if frozen heart was giving +33 armor would be 100% balanced with little bit more defence than a normal non tank player.I mean dude like 50% less damage with 1 not finished item is just too much for just 800 gold +the hp bonuses+and damage per second from tank items passives.And im talking about the armor and hp too. How else to describe it to you imagine like you get a non finished ad item and you do 50% of someones hp,or for example the max AD is 1200 50% of that is 600 you see ? its like you get +600 ad i know it sounds crazy but it is,back in the old game champs were starting with 9 to 20 armor max not 50 without any item or rune thats straight up too much and broken even if they reduced the armor items to 1/3 of what they give it would still be perfect i even said it to riot they said its a nice idea. example.Garen 50 armor +bramble +12 armor =62 armor -39% damage instead of -48% damage,so what im trying to say is it would be better if tanks had to build all 6 items for armor and reach 76% damage reduction instead of 91% slower.

MrFawknSunshineApr 20, 20191 votes

i calculated base armor in the example with runes with maokai rushing a bramble vest and it still didnt give him 300 armor before darius had 90 ad

so all of this is dont matter.

The thigh guyApr 17, 20193 votes

Any buff to tank is wrong! ~ every braindead bruiser Main ever

fotios567Apr 19, 20191 votes

you wouldnt want a tank in your lane, so why are you pushing him into mine

The thigh guyApr 19, 20191 votes

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you wouldnt want a tank in your lane, so why are you pushing him into mine

No. I would love tank junglers to be a thing again.

fotios567Apr 19, 20191 votes

to be fair, I was mostly talking about having to fight a tank in lane haha(i frankly do enjoy some sejuani here and there)

LovelleApr 17, 20192 votes

I don't really know. Bramble vest just ends up hard countering melee auto-attackers and juggernauts, who already aren't that strong apart from a few outliers.

Personally feel like there is enough grievous wounds in the game since every mage builds item 3165 .

ParoeApr 17, 20191 votes

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I don't really know. Bramble vest just ends up hard countering melee auto-attackers and juggernauts, who already aren't that strong apart from a few outliers.

Personally feel like there is enough grievous wounds in the game since every mage builds .

How is greivous wounds a hard counter to duelists and juggs? Unless the champion with thornmail is Rammus, Cho, or Sion thornmail is an extremely situational item that doesnt really effect a duelists, marksman, or juggs effectiveness.

LovelleApr 18, 20193 votes

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How is greivous wounds a hard counter to duelists and juggs? Unless the champion with thornmail is Rammus, Cho, or Sion thornmail is an extremely situational item that doesnt really effect a duelists, marksman, or juggs effectiveness.

You heal/sustain significantly less and thus die faster in fights. It makes a huge difference.

ParoeApr 18, 20191 votes

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You heal/sustain significantly less and thus die faster in fights. It makes a huge difference.

Then dont basic attack the tank with it recklessly? Bramble vest only procs when youre hit with a basic attack.

Also, it seems your complaint is that champions who are used to drain tanking cant drain tank while 1v5'ing because of grievous wounds? Do i have that right?

LovelleApr 18, 20192 votes

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Then dont basic attack the tank with it recklessly? Bramble vest only procs when youre hit with a basic attack.

Also, it seems your complaint is that champions who are used to drain tanking cant drain tank while 1v5'ing because of grievous wounds? Do i have that right?

I just don't think tanks need grievous wounds, as mages and adcs already have easy access to it. I mainly play Trundle, who is far from a 1v5 champ. If he's not helping bring down the tank, he's not worth picking over other fighters.

fotios567Apr 19, 20191 votes

dude are you dumb? they build bramble and if youre playing a bruiser you HAVE to auto attack them in lane to fight. And for 1000 gold tanks just win every fight against a bruiser, because they also do true health damage... like... wtf? So if im playing fiora jax renekton garen im not supposed to auto attack or i lose? then wtf am i supposed to do??? just sit there while the tank outpushes and then outteam fights me? but nope riot wont fix this because theres not a SINGLE top laner in the live design team.

Dr DogApr 18, 20191 votes

why bother looking at the actual change, lets just make a post complaining about a buff that barely changes the item and does nothing but make it better against healing champs

fotios567Apr 19, 20191 votes

fam its 1000 gold, and it beats every bruiser in lane