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i know im going to get hate for this...

iamnotyourfoe··1 votes·396 views

let me just start by saying im not the best player in the world , im actually pretty bad ( from my perspective) but im quite sure i know 1 concept pretty well as i did play similar games before. im quite sure we can all agree that counter play should be enforced on every character and mechanics , so for example: someone with a bunch of damage should die easily by focus fire ( like an adc) and some tanky characters that you cannot kill easily should NOT do the same damage as a bruiser or an adc because then you simply cannot counter him right? well so with that in mind can you please tell me why some characters like DARIUS or mundo(oralot of tanks basically) can do as much damage as a bruiser? example: darius with 5 DEFENSIVE items+ colosus basic attack you and q you - right into a dunk in less then a 3 second time - if it doesnt kill you the bleed will- the base damage is too high even if he doesnt build ANY attack damage item his passive will give him more then 100 damage , how is that any way shape or form fair? - you cannot even kite him because he has e which will pull and kill you...

soo... am i being noobish and QQing here for nothing? can you tell me what's the counter play for that?

4 Comments

byakugan1231 votes

they are juggernauts and their counter is to not die to them and kite like hell

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

darius isnt a tank

im told dr mundo isnt a tank

that is the 1st thing you need to understand.

there are bruisers aka juggernauts like darius, garen, olaf, octobitch, and so on if you get in their grasp they will hurt you but they lack engage, gap close, mobility etc

they are more durable then fighters/divers like fiora, diana, ekko, yasou, riven , these champs have high mobility and dps but not suppose to have a lot of defensive capabilities

then there are tanks who scale with tank items and take a lot to kill them and they have cc and engage tools , peel etc champs such as galio, maokai, poppy, naut, sion etc but in league regardless of what champ you are playing if they are ahead of you they are likely to out damage you regardless of the class of champ

Cocho1 votes

Its all about range, kiting, positioning, and playing with cooldowns. If you're lux, and a darius gets into auto range without even pulling, then you deserve to die. Range is extremely valuable, there are tons of things that you give up to be ranged. Abusing that range to the maximum extent is difficult.

Playing around cooldowns is something that makes the game fun imo, alot of plays you can make just by knowing or seeing the enemy use an ability.

If I'm Katarina , and I see Lucian use his dash, you better know I'm summoner 4 ing for that booty instantly 100% of the time. Mobility is another big thing when you're making the scalings and base damage of a champion. You can't compare Darius DrMundo to Camille Fiora Riven . One will just run at you, the other will fly across the screen to you.

You can give someone all the damage you want, that doesn't mean they can actually use it effectively.

Like could you imagine if Darius had Camille 's dash? LOL, then that would be a pretty big problem lol

l Dárius l1 votes

This 5 defense item darius killing you with auto q r is an interesting one. Of all my darius games i have only been able to do that with 5 OFFENSIVE items. My game might be bugged... Maybe am challenjur playre but am bugged?

But srsly, darius is not a tank by the definition of the people on the boards. He is a juggernaut, who will do a lot of damage if you let him and he will be difficult to kill (but not as hard to kill as a true tank)

Let me list you counterplay and tips to beating darius

  1. If you dodge his q you have the duration of the cooldown to win a trade. His q is pretty easy to dodge, and if his main damage source in short trades.

  2. Darius is not strong in short trades. He is at his strongest when he has 5 stacks. Sitting in front of him letting him get his passive for free means you deserve to lose.

  3. Darius normally has to use his e to close the gap on someone then use his w to stop them from leaving his range after about 1-2 autos depending on his movespeed (compared to yours) and attackspeed. Against higher dmg champs darius is a lot weaker when his e is down because it is his only was of displacing the enemy and canceling abilities (a good darius will use his e to cancel 3 riven q or a leesin dashing to an ally or himself can be grabbed by darius to cancel the dash as well as its damage)

  4. With darius' e being his only innate way to close the gap between him and an enemy who doesnt walk right into him, he needs to get it in range of his enemy or flash on them.

  5. Building defense on darius helps survive his damage, but it will probably not help duel him. Darius thrives in long fights and his e's passive armor pen and synergy with item 3071 make him a serious tank killing machine. Do not build defense into darius thinking you will duel him, even if you are not behind. Darius will probably beat you inless he is behind himself if you buy defense items. If you are alone in lane have an escape route ready incase he tries to sneak up on you.

  6. The best way to beat darius is to play a champion who can do damage and jump around and keep darius running in circles. Good yasuo and riven players can have darius dizzy trying to hit them with anything, dashing in and out canceling darius' autos and dodging his e and q. Fizz, yi, jax, vayne and elise can easily dodge darius q and a quick lee sin can e out of it as well. Those a just a few that come to mind. Not all of these are top laners but they are examples.

  7. In team fights darius needs to get 5 stacks to do any damage worth being in the middle of the fight for. With his ult making up for about 30%-50% of his damage in a late game fight, he needs 5 stacks to make it do that damage and make sure he gets resets. Having a item 3026 or a last second shield that prevents the target from going grey screen will leave darius without and ult reset- as well as significantly cut off damage and probably a bad position where he can be killed before escaping. Prevent darius from getting an ult reset can same you the game. If you have ga he miht not ult you until you have already lost it, meaning you miht be able to worry less about him while you focus on other enemies.

  8. Darius is destroyed by cc as it can prevent him from laned important q's and e's as well as generally auto attacking people. Instead of letting him run down your team you should be working together to kill him since he is probably ahead of the rest of his team and you should kite out the fight towards safer spots depending on your team compositin (chokepoints, blind spots, or even towers). He is easily kited and once champs like vayne and caitlyn scale up he cant 1v1 them because of there ability to keep him out of range (vaynes q and e keeps him away while her retardo burst and sustain damage kill him, if she wants to facetank all she really needs is item 3087 item 3031 item 3072 and maxed w. A good caitlyn can basically perma cc him with traps and e but this is hard to do, especially without proper cooldown timing and lifesteal)

  9. Some champs can beat darius simply because of there kits. Quinns blind allows her to get free damage of reposition while he can see or get stacks. Teemo blind denies darius stacks from his autoattacks. This is only important earlygame really where darius' q has a high cd, because lategame he can just use q for stacks on teemo and heal off it. Swain can beat darius is he lands his skillshots and kites properly. Rod of ages into zhonyas is a good first 2 items into darius as swain.

  10. If your jungle is coming to gank darius, do not go in until your jungler is with you. If darius get 3 or 4 passive stacks because you went aggro on him to bait him into fighting you, he can just as easily get a free 5stacks for passive and 2v1 with a double q heal or ult reset. He can do this as early as level 2, i have seen it and done it several times. If you let it happen you seriously fucked up and deserve what comes next. And letting darius get free stacks gets more punishing as the game goes on. You can find many videos of darius' who arent even fed splitpushing top, then getting pentas from people walking into him 1 by 1 or 1 person dying and giving free stacks and the rest just walking in and giving free heals to sustain him as he dunks them away with resets. And when you gank a darius take the same precautions. Tell your laner not to bait a fight before you come in and if you have time explain why. If they do, it is probably best to let them die inless one of or both of your champs are strong against darius.

And as a final note- darius is not as tanky as he looks. He might have a lot of hp and resistances, but he doesnt have the 17% hp shield nautilus has, or the flat damage reduction like galio and alistar. His kit is packed with abilities that in some way increase his damage and the only reason he builds tank is to survive long enough to fight those long lasting fights he loves.

TLDR- read it anyway because it will probably help you if you dont know how to beat darius and i spent a lot of time writing this on a tablet. Im not sure if i missed anything though.

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