Karthus - Not viable anymore.

Neverdweller··2 votes·1,924 views

His damage scaling is terrible.. literally at over 1000ap he gains 500 damage to his ult.. his other abilities dont even get half that bonus, ALL other AP users have huge gains, yes I realize his Q gives you double for hitting a single target, does that mean it deals damage worth a crap at over 1000ap? no... you can barely tickle anyone with karthus since like a year ago unless you are so far ahead of them and they have no items at all.. Does noone care? wheres the love man? Also his ranged attack is hard to creep with as it moves slower than anyone in the entire game. it has always been that way and I have always wondered why the hell it was so terrible.. slow motion blast moving out of his staff you have to time it way ahead to hit just right when you click instead of just clicking and you hit.. its awful, especially in a game where last hitting gives you gold.. yes I realize his abilities can make up for this.. its just annoying.. so why have it that way?\

Please riot give me a sign.. let me know you have not forgotten about this old dusty reaper and put some polish on em. Rework it.. do whatever it takes.. he is just not worth using anymore. :(

To everyone who seems to want to argue about how great karth is and how you "main" him and how amazing and how much damage he deals.

I will upload a video soon so you can watch it and tell me how I "picked the wrong items" every time. or that I "need to watch someone else play" like having the exact same amount of ap will change his damage on any skill because I play bad... how does that even make sense? It doesn't, because its math and is an ingame variable not altered by how you play the damage and scaling remain exactly the same and that is ALL that I am talking about here.

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Only Play Darius4 votes

You obviously didn't watch LCS today.

Direwolfiez1 votes

This thread gets posted today...the irony...

Neverdweller1 votes

And you obviously didn't read my post. >you can barely tickle anyone with karthus since like a year ago unless you are so far ahead of them and they have no items at all. ANY CHAMPION IS GOOD WHEN YOU ARE SO RICH THAT IT DOESNT MATTER. that is not balance, anyone can play bad and feed a champion and claim that the champion they fed is good.. its not good.. its just fed.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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Axrios3 votes

His damage scaling is terrible

He's totally not one of the best scaling mages with his aoe.

Only Play Darius1 votes

I heard somewhere that at full AP build his AOE does more damage than Fiddle's crowstorm.

OhOkYea1 votes

Except karthus' ult actually hits people

Axrios1 votes

All his skills maybe tho his E alone won't since its only a 20% ap ratio

Arzath2 votes

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His damage scaling is terrible.. literally at over 1000ap he gains 500 damage to his ult.. his other abilities dont even get half that bonus, ALL other AP users have huge gains, yes I realize his Q gives you double for hitting a single target, does that mean it deals damage worth a crap at over 1000ap? no... you can barely tickle anyone with karthus since like a year ago unless you are so far ahead of them and they have no items at all.. Does noone care? wheres the love man? Also his ranged attack is hard to creep with as it moves slower than anyone in the entire game. it has always been that way and I have always wondered why the hell it was so terrible.. slow motion blast moving out of his staff you have to time it way ahead to hit just right when you click instead of just clicking and you hit.. its awful, especially in a game where last hitting gives you gold.. yes I realize his abilities can make up for this.. its just annoying.. so why have it that way?\

Please riot give me a sign.. let me know you have not forgotten about this old dusty reaper and put some polish on em. Rework it.. do whatever it takes.. he is just not worth using anymore. :(

You forget it hits 5, so that's essentially 2500 dmg to his ult.

Neverdweller1 votes

Who said I forgot?

DJ Di02 votes

Watch PhantomL0rd; you almost never use your auto-attack to last hit, use Q.

Also his ult scaling is fine, you have to remember that it hits 5 people. At 1000 ap (which XWX got to in today's lcs match against Hai's Zed), one Karthus Q on a single target does 860, and his ult will do 1150 to one person, for a total of 5750 for 5 people.

Neverdweller1 votes

His scaling is garbage. and it doesnt do 1150 to one person, maybe if they had zero magic res it would. but even with magic penetration items it does NOT deal that much. neither does the Q on single target. I know what I am talking about and dont need to watch other people play it. And also if you actually read my post I also know that you don't use auto attack and I have to KEEP telling people who reply over and over.. DUH I KNOW NOT TO USE HIS AUTO ATTACK BECAUSE IT IS GARBAGE.. WHY IS IT GARBAGE THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING TO RIOT. IT IS THE ONLY BASIC ATTACK IN THE GAME THAT FIRES OUT THIS CRAPPY SLOW MOTION PROJECTILE SO I DON'T USE IT... BECAUSE ITS DIFFICULT AS HELL.

Señor Karthus1 votes

I am a Karthus main. You really shouldn't auto attack minions unless you have a clear last hit and want to gain some mana from your E. Your Q does everything. The double damage is incredibly painful. Wall of Pain to reduce their Magic Resist and a couple of Qs and they are almost dead guaranteed. Karthus is not meta because he usually just farms and it is "boring to see" (even if I play him with teleport and gank constantly and help every lane). Also, he has many weaknesses and is very vulnerable early game against super mobile champions (especially Leblanc). But if you survive early game without dying or dying once, you can make an amazing late game. He deals TONS of damage with his E late game. If you play Karthus and you didn't deal the most damage of your team (total and to champions) you are not playing him right. I don't think he needs a buff in his scaling (that is precisely his strong point). He probably needs some love in other areas to compensate for his lack of escapes and the lost of Defiler.

Neverdweller1 votes

And if you didn't read, I ALREADY know AND POSTED you shouldn't basic attack minions WHY? Because his basic attack is so stupid and off its difficult to time right.. no other champion has this.. so WHY does he? that was what I was stating. Karthus isnt Meta because all he can do is kill minions with his aoe.. He does absolutely crap damage with his E because of his low scaling from AP.. I clearly need to go and play a match or two and make fools realize whats up because everyone seems clueless for some reason. "not playing him right" when you can easily out dps a karthus with any other mage.. right.. EVEN SORAKA CAN OUT DPS A KARTH WITH LESS AP THAN HE HAS

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

TIP XiaoWeiXiao carried his team as Karthus with a score of 5/0 (I think) a few hours ago, so I say he is still fine.

And secondly, you're suppose to Q to cs, not autoattack.

Neverdweller1 votes

no shit, but why make it so his basic attacks are garbage? noone else has it done to them.. did you even read it? I already said I know this in the post!

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Not like you would ever gonna build him as AD Karthus anyway.

Unlike other mage champs, Karthus is just considered to be a weird one. He replaces his autoattack with his Q, which has very low cooldowns & mana costs & restores mana at each unit killed, to poke/farm, making his auto-attack very unreliable to be use, but not like as if it actually affects his gameplay.

Provengreil1 votes

Anivia Sona Soraka Veigar Morgana Nami Annie All have low damage and/or slow base auto attacks. Anivia is possibly the worst in the game.

Urgot Honorable mention since they sped his up only a couple months ago

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

To main Karthus, not only you have to look at "But I build the same items pros do!", what about:

  • knowing how to place a wall right?
  • know how to predict enemy's movement to land multiple successful Qs?
  • how well do you know how to either save mana or use it all up on dueling people with E til the point you go oom?
  • aware of incoming ganks? Do remember Karthus is immobile as fk.
  • Do you use your ult before or after death?
  • after death, do you use ult right away, or cast a few combos before using ult?
  • can you cs a complete wave of minions without missing one minion using Q?

Really, it's not always about the damage. It's also about the logics.

EDIT: STOP USING CLEANSE. Take Flash instead.

Provengreil1 votes

a 50% AP scaling on an ult that hits the entire enemy team with unavoidable damage? And you're complaining about this being too low?

Señor Karthus1 votes

Well, looks like we have a very bad player here that is mad because he doesn't know how to play Karthus even if all Karthus mains in this thread are telling him how he is wrong. "His E deals shitty damage" LMAO

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