Juggernauts... Why Riot? WHY?!

Dark Bubbles·Sep 7, 2015·2 votes·1,225 views

Can some PLEASE explain to me why riot has taken these champions that were a problem before they got their horrible buffs in the 5.16 patch. Mordekaiser , Skarner , and Darius to be more specific. These champions were all strong enough as they were. If anything they might have needed a nerf (especially in Darius' case). Mord is always banned in ranked, Skarner is so far past unbalanced, and the LAST thing Darius needed was a heal and more reason to chain his ult. Is riot just messing with us, or what? This is WAY out of hand. I need some answers.

13 Comments

Variks the LoyalSep 7, 20152 votes

Learn to counterplay before you complain.

Play someone who can kite. That's how you counter juggernauts. Kite.

Dark BubblesSep 7, 20151 votes

come back when an talk to me when you have kited and killed skarner

Variks the LoyalSep 7, 20151 votes

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come back when an talk to me when you have kited and killed skarner

Hi, me again.

I'll tell you, as someone who's played Skarner since his old, originally reworked kit, that he can be kited. It's happened to me in plenty of games since his juggernauting, where, despite the Dead Man's Plate and the W movement speed, I can be kited down and killed.

Break the W shield, and Skarner loses all of his bonus movement speed options outside of Dead Man's Plate. Proceed to kite and run. He will never catch you if you sidestep the slow moving E and break the W shield. Unless you're by a spire he's captured. Then it's your fault for being in a place where Skarner is at an advantage.

Dark BubblesSep 7, 20151 votes

Ok sure with that mentality anyone can be kited. But between his slow and whatever movement speed he has, your only 2 choices are die or get away. I can't see Skarner being kited to death on even grounds.

Variks the LoyalSep 7, 20151 votes

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Ok sure with that mentality anyone can be kited. But between his slow and whatever movement speed he has, your only 2 choices are die or get away. I can't see Skarner being kited to death on even grounds.

You're not paying attention.

Skarner's E is a very slow moving projectile, that moves even slower when it passes through units. Sidestep it, and Skarner can not slow you, and he can not stun you. This simple tactic will eliminate all of his pre-6 ganking pressure, since he now probably can't get close enough to you to get any meaningful damage off while you retreat.

His W is both a shield and bonus movement speed. But the speed is reliant on the shield. One, it ramps up, so when he first casts it, he actually has no real boost. Two, if the shield is broken, the movement speed is lost. This is the counterplay. Kite, attack move, and break the shield if you're ranged. If you're melee, use your mobility to outmaneuver his. Skarner's extra MS is nothing compared to Riven and Renekton's dashes, Nasus' Wither, or even Vayne's Tumble.

You said it yourself. You have two choices, die or get away. This is intended. If you 'get away', then you've won. Once Skarner's E and W are gone, you can just kill him. He has no extra movement. He has no extra CC. Kite him. He's very easily kited. But if you do get hit, then the Skarner player will be rewarded. This is intended. If he gets on you, you will get hurt. A lot. This is the core of the juggernaut reworks. Do not let them get to you, or they will hurt you. So kite, kite, kite.

Dark BubblesSep 7, 20151 votes

i see where you're coming from and i get it. but with between his damage output and his armor/health, you can only do so much. In lane, yeah if you just so happened to get someone ranged against him great you have a chance but melees only have so much mobility. And his jungle game is what i was more on about and is way too strong. Im not saying he cant be beaten im just saying hes too strong, like darius, and like mordekaiser. ANYONE can be outplayed given the right circumstances but these new juggernauts are unbalanced plain and simple.

Variks the LoyalSep 7, 20151 votes

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i see where you're coming from and i get it. but with between his damage output and his armor/health, you can only do so much. In lane, yeah if you just so happened to get someone ranged against him great you have a chance but melees only have so much mobility. And his jungle game is what i was more on about and is way too strong. Im not saying he cant be beaten im just saying hes too strong, like darius, and like mordekaiser. ANYONE can be outplayed given the right circumstances but these new juggernauts are unbalanced plain and simple.

They're not, though. You just need to kite.

Their numbers may be a little overtuned, but their playstyle is in the right place. Mordekaiser will always be able to kill you if he gets his Q's off. That will never change.

If you're playing a champion who can't kite, then remember that you're playing a team game. Rely on your allies to help you kite while you adopt an in-and-out playstyle. Use your abilities, and get out. Don't let a juggernaut just sit next to you and beat on you. You will die very quickly if you let that happen, no matter the circumstances. It's intentional. Yes, they're tanky and it takes a long time to kill them. It's intentional. They can be tanky because they have no mobility. Yes, they deal assassin levels of damage. It's intentional. They can deal that much damage because they need to get to you first. If you let them, then yes, they will deal a shitton of damage.

Dark BubblesSep 7, 20151 votes

whatever you say man... intentional or not they're unbalanced an ill just complain till the next patch when they nerfed XD Good talk though.

SleetzSep 7, 20151 votes

Yeah.... I can't do anything against Darius now, I always lose, if Rito is doing this only because of worlds, then I'm disappointed in them.. Because playing against these champions in general are not close to fun.

Deep Terror NamiSep 7, 20151 votes

Meddler made a post about them just a bit ago. It may have some answers so I'll link it;

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cwoRnPIF-thoughts-on-the-juggernaut-reworks-where-were-up-to-after-4-weeks

Dark BubblesSep 7, 20151 votes

cool thanks

Righteous RageSep 7, 20151 votes

Skarner can be counterplayed. The whole thing with him is you have to constantly be making the right decisions with him. If you don't the enemy team and jungler will punish you for 1 mistake and it can be hard to come back from. He also cannot carry a whole team like darius can if your team is not doing well. I just watched gamebreaker talking about the juggernauts, and a lot of time on skarner. REALLY!!!!!!!! How about that fact that I had a Warwick and MasterYi build a skirmishers with sated and guess what there is true damage and I'm dead. I watched a Yi SOLO BARON AT 22 MINUTES!!!!! We seriously are talking about skarner and not talking about sated. Love it. How about people learn to counterplay. Darius is a little over the top, however, he can be killed too.

GreenLoreSep 7, 20151 votes

It was about making these champs more diverse,so that not all of them fill the role of "big guy who deals damage",Morde is now the guy who can take dragon(as in literally),Skarner is the one who has buff zones in the jungle and Darius can chain ult a weakened enemy team. However darius lost his mobility,meaning he can't chase as effectively as before and morde never had much mobility in the first place(and still doesn't have cc).

Anyway,I think skarner&duolane morde get some nerfs in the upcoming patch.(not sure about morde,but I know that skarner gets some)