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Master Yi has 80% true damage? It's a no tank meta.

Squirrel Eyes··5 votes·2,710 views

**EDIT: I compared the wrong numbers for the 80%. Turns out against champions it comes to around 33%. ** Just played against a Yi and lost again as Sejuani. Let me tell you how bad this feels. Yi gets dominated and killed 1-4 early to mid game. As soon as he picks up rageblade though, he starts killing those way ahead of him.

I built a thornmail, ninja tabis, frozen heart, and a warmogs as key defensive items. Yet, there is simply NO ITEM in the game that can counter champions that abuse true damage the way it's working now. Tanks are really in a bad, bad place. I die in less than a few seconds against Yi, and so does our massive Cho-gath who also stacked defensive armor items. We were by no means behind either... we were actually winning the game up to Yi acquiring Rageblade.

Here's some of the numbers to consider from my last game: Yi tops the damage charts at 35.9k, while his TRUE DAMAGE is 29k. Maths say this is just over 80% true damage done by Master Yi. Can anyone dispute how badly balanced this is? What can you do, as a tank, to counter auto-attacking true damage?

Right now? Nothing.

26 Comments

Pyrosan2 votes

You shouldn't be locking Sejuani without banning Yi regardless You can barely abuse his early game when he's weakest due to the cooldown's now on your Q and he's designed to shred tanks, that's been his purpose since his inception

There's no rougher matchup for Sejuani than Yi, ban him out if you are going to play her

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

I didn't know it was that bad of a counter... I definitely did well against him early and abused my lead.

Is this a Yi problem though, because I feel like there are other champs that abuse true damage against tanks, just not to the extent of Yi. I feel like Yi functions a marker for the health of auto-attack carries, since his kit is so extreme.

Pyrosan3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Squirrel Eyes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HUFYLkNz,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-29T08:51:47.595+0000)

I didn't know it was that bad of a counter... I definitely did well against him early and abused my lead.

Is this a Yi problem though, because I feel like there are other champs that abuse true damage against tanks, just not to the extent of Yi. I feel like Yi functions a marker for the health of auto-attack carries, since his kit is so extreme.

Darius MasterYi Vayne Trundle are the top 4 biggest counters for Sejuani Trundle is the biggest counter to Sejuani but no one plays him so he's not a priority ban

But yeah Yi is an item reliant champion for him to have power, it looks a lot worse than it actually is because everyone's fixated around KDA to validate their strength

You just have to treat him as if he's a different champion once he's got rageblade since it's a huge enabler for him, you won't be able to 1 v 1 him period unless you've got some AP yourself

It's also worth noting Sejuani has been consistently nerfed around 10 times recently to get her out of competitive play so she's very much so on the weaker ends of things right now but they're buffing her next patch, probably won't give her any of her power back though

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

thanks for detailed reply!!

NemeBro2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Squirrel Eyes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HUFYLkNz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-29T07:42:14.265+0000)

Just played against a Yi and lost again as Sejuani. Let me tell you how bad this feels. Yi gets dominated and killed 1-4 early to mid game. As soon as he picks up rageblade though, he starts killing those way ahead of him.

I built a thornmail, ninja tabis, frozen heart, and a warmogs as key defensive items. Yet, there is simply NO ITEM in the game that can counter champions that abuse true damage the way it's working now. Tanks are really in a bad, bad place. I die in less than a few seconds against Yi, and so does our massive Cho-gath who also stacked defensive armor items. We were by no means behind either... we were actually winning the game up to Yi acquiring Rageblade.

Here's some of the numbers to consider from my last game: Yi tops the damage charts at 35.9k, while his TRUE DAMAGE is 29k. Maths say this is just over 80% true damage done by Master Yi. Can anyone dispute how badly balanced this is? What can you do, as a tank, to counter auto-attacking true damage?

Right now? Nothing.

Why lie when I can easily look up the game in question?

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3189385713/49524232?tab=stats

Yi's total damage to champs was 29.1k. His true damage was 9.9k. Still a lot, but not even close to the ratio you tried to pass off as real.

7thHeaven1 votes

90% NA players lie in complain topic.

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

oh good catch... even if presumptuous. I took a screen shot of the aftergame results after I calculated because I couldn't believe 80%. I looked it up again and looks like I compared Total Damage to Champions against Total True damage dealt (total), when I should have looked at only champion true damage. So, my bad, wrong box.

Posui Gart2 votes

You are not supposed to 1v1 Yi as a tank. He is a tank-killer, you are a tank. You also can't 1v1 Fiora, Vayne and some other champions as a tank. Group as 5, start teamfighting, chain-CC him after his Q(your Q-Chogath's Q-your E, can also add R if needed but he should be already dead at that point), enjoy your autowin.

boricCentaur12 votes

Have you actually tried to cc him? Since it sounds like you just afked and let him hit you.

Like looking at your op.gg the yi was pretty fed. He had by far the most gold in the game. So maybe complain when a champion isn't fed. Like any damage champion will kill a tank pretty fast when fed that is just how league works.

Like yi isn't good. He is only good if you do nothing vs him. You're sejuani ult him and then he is dead.

xDogMeatx2 votes

do you have a replay? he did say the yi was behind at one point then magically became God after rageblade. ofc hes gonna have the most beyond that point. just saying i wanna see this replay from beginning to end.

Chumpzi11a2 votes

Tabis, Sterak's and stoneplate. Then stack some more hp, Warmogs is good. You're trying to use the stoneplate active before Sterak's gives the shield for extra bonus health to increase the shield value. If you have 2.5k hp base, you'll have about 4.5k effective. Not a lot of cdr or defensive stats, but it's what you got.

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

I need to try this combo

musixxal1 votes

get hp

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

As I stated, I also had warmogs. So did Cho, and natural hp pool. We were literally in the thousands (between 3.5 and 5k for cho), but this doesnt stop yi from killing us both in seconds

musixxal1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Squirrel Eyes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HUFYLkNz,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T08:04:53.128+0000)

As I stated, I also had warmogs. So did Cho, and natural hp pool. We were literally in the thousands (between 3.5 and 5k for cho), but this doesnt stop yi from killing us both in seconds

well yi is made to destroy tanks, he doesn't do so well against people that can actually threaten him with dmg as opposed to tanking his dmg.

The thigh guy1 votes

{quoted}

well yi is made to destroy tanks, he doesn't do so well against people that can actually threaten him with dmg as opposed to tanking his dmg.

laughs in 80% damage reduction

xDogMeatx1 votes

hey OP if the best counter to Yi lategame is kill him with the most burst possible while also surviving his "burst" of 3 seconds. have a build that lasts more then 3 seconds then put (whatever heavy ap or ad or hp scalings) damage items on to outburst him with your buddy. thornmail/frozenheart is required though due to the massive armor/thorns passive they give.

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

yeah those are 2 of the items I had. In addition to warmogs and tabis. Thinking about the game, I think the problem was just your typical bad team blowing all moves on other champs and not saving them for the champions that matter, getting caught constantly, nobody could hit yi with skillshots or wait until after he used his q, etc.

All that said though, I still feel like there is just not enough value in defensive items right now.

xDogMeatx1 votes

thats true btw crit yi is broken lel. put on hail of blades and give him item 1419 item 3031 item 3508 he pretty much destroys a bruiser easily.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

A tank player complaining about dying to a carry

nice

Smyrage1 votes

You probably mistook the True Damage Done with the True Damage Done to Champions stat. The former means ALL TRUE DAMAGE DONE, which translates to creep and object damage as well. So I can be perfectly sure it's not 80%.

As for the topic: Seju isn't a solo q champion to begin with, because she is team reliant. Yi isn't good against all tanks, because I know from experience that Rammus and Shen can fuck him up, but he just counters Seju. Yi is basically toast if he gets hit by a CC, which followed up by burst.

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

Yeah I screwed up looking at the wrong numbers. Problem was my team was not landing any abilities on Yi after I'd stun him as Sej.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

There is legit no champ in the game who can outduel a lategame Yi with a duelling build, apart from Tryndamere/Jax/Vayne or a Yas who managed to initiate with QR. Not even Rammus and Shen. But that's all he's good for, his win condition is to force people to come to him to defend (and fight a losing duel against the god of duelling), otherwise he really doesn't do anything in an actual 5 man deathball.

Smyrage1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Need Gold 4 Tent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HUFYLkNz,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-10-31T08:44:45.997+0000)

There is legit no champ in the game who can outduel a lategame Yi with a duelling build, apart from Tryndamere/Jax/Vayne or a Yas who managed to initiate with QR. Not even Rammus and Shen. But that's all he's good for, his win condition is to force people to come to him to defend (and fight a losing duel against the god of duelling), otherwise he really doesn't do anything in an actual 5 man deathball.

Lategame Yi is a monster, so I meant early-mid game. Lategame Yi needs to be one shotted.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

you can CC him so your team can burst him. Aside from that you can't do shit on your own it's how tanks work and it's also why most ppl don't really like playing em. don't expect to carry, try to force your teammates to carry. end ASAP.

Yi is an extreme case in Melee tank shredders as he literally has nothing else aside from dps. He has no CC or real defensive steroids so he relies on shredding you before he gets blown up. And honestly this sounds like it went to lategame, you just straight up lose if his team isn't incompetent (or if he's actually gotten ahead himself somehow).

Squirrel Eyes1 votes

Yeah you are totally right... it was frustrating because my team wouldn't/couldn't land abilities on Yi before they died.

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