So with more Tanky, bruiser type people showing up in the LCS and solo q ladders, and with the nerfs to IE, BT and several ADCs, where do we think Vayne stands currently? I enjoy playing her and I think she's a good pick right now, granted I'm S4 currently, but climbing.
Thoughts?
Teridax682 votesOn her own, she's pretty good. I think the biggest obstacle to her popularity right now is the even greater popularity of aggressive marksmen like 
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, but if you can survive the laning phase against those champions then you'll dominate the game. Careful, though: the popularity of tanks does make Vayne a better pick for damage, but it also means there's going to be a lot more hard crowd control in fights, and getting caught in a teamfight will get you deleted instantly. You're going to need to be extremely good at dodging enemy abilities and knowing when to dive if you want to get Vayne to her full potential in teamfights, more so than any other marksman, but she still has the tools to 1v5 pentakill in the right hands.
Drunk Rummate1 votesShe's still not very good.
Kog is a better pick if you want to shred a tank line. Jinx is also a good pick if you want a lot of safe damage and snowball potential. Sivir is still a good pick if you want a lot of teamfight damage and engage (especially if you have a big frontline of your own that likes to dive).
FHMarshy1 votesI definitely disagree. In SoloQ, Kog can't survive early-mid game without any mobility. Jinx is a safe pick, again, dead to any assassins since she is heavily relied on skill shots to survive. Sivir, yes she does have speed boost, but her ability to shred tank is basically solely item dependent.
Drunk Rummate1 votesI definitely disagree. In SoloQ, Kog can't survive early-mid game without any mobility. Jinx is a safe pick, again, dead to any assassins since she is heavily relied on skill shots to survive. Sivir, yes she does have speed boost, but her ability to shred tank is basically solely item dependent.
If you think Kog Maw's lane phase is weak then you're out of your mind. His weakness comes from early objective control like Dragon, but that can still be overcome with good warding and positioning.
And it doesn't really matter what champion you pick outside of Corki or Ezreal if there's a fed assassin on the other team. When assassins get ahead they click on ADCs and 1 shot them. That's unfortunately what happens unless your support's standing on top of you with exhaust.
With Sivir it's not about shredding the tank line but adding a lot of consistent, long range damage with her ricochet and Q. The point is to reach their backline with your W and Q to soften them up for your ulted front line to finish the job.
FHMarshy1 votesLOL really? Kogmaw has early game presence? Wow that's a New for me. I guess my climb from silver to diamond really taught me nothing :(
Ya, fed assassins. Not even corki and Ez can escape. That is out of our hands tbh, we can only hope we get peeled and position good enough to not get one shot. BTW, that is exactly what a support is supposed to do during fights.
With Sivir, your point of argument is valid but is basing off the assumption that in SoloQ, people actually have the team work to position correctly in a team fight. She has no duel potential.
Drunk Rummate1 votesHow much did you play Kog Maw on your climb? He has a lot of pressure in lane due to a manaless W for harass, tons of poke when he hits 6, and a huge power spike when he gets his triforce. He's really difficult to duel without a lot of burst (like Graves) and he offers a lot if you're trying to pressure outer turrets as a team.
I think his weakness comes later, when the outers are down because he needs people to peel for him a lot more actively, but once he has rank 2 ult and botrk his QOL improves a lot.
FHMarshy1 votesNever really played him alot, but played against quite a lot of them. Yes, I definitely respect his damage once triforce is out, but it's almost mid game already before one can really churn out that item. Also, Yes, his W can do quite a bit of harass. However, you have to take into consideration for the cool downs and his attack speed early game. Both factor really limits his effectiveness early game. All a good adc needs to do would be farm safe during Kog's W is active and poke when it's down.
Also, any form of CC could be really deadly to Kog as he himself doesn't have a displacement ability (Like Vayne's Q). His self peel basicalyl is non existing.
Kariu Rena1 votesshes really bad right now, they need to add a atk speed increase when she ults so she can afford to build some ad
IcyPepper1 votesIf you're good with her, she's decent.
FHMarshy1 votesI think Vayne is reliable pick in SoloQ.
The reason Vayne isn't seen in the LCS scene is primarily due to her being inferior to other picks in many reasons. However, in SoloQ where teams don't have enough chemistry nor communication, Vayne is one of the few ADC that can survive well against assassins if mechanically played right.
The stealth provided by tumbling during Ult is very strong in juking. Her ability to Tumble and dodge almost every skill shot is incredibly useful. A good condemn allowed my to solo kill countless Zed, Yi, Fizz, Kat, Talon in my games. Her W proc for the % health is his bread and butter for her to shred enemy Tank line without any ArmPen Items.
Darth Pixy Misa1 votesIt takes too long for Vayne to get where she needs to be, like tristana. The pros are more interested in early - mid game power.
WolfChases1 votesWhy should you play Vayne of there's Jinx? O.o Jinx is the only ADC you need atm with Graves just beside her. Even if Graves is strong, he depends on his burst, so if your burst is not enough you are a sitting duck...Playing Jinx? Why not? You have inbuild AS of a phantom dancer in your Q, you have more range than Caitlyn when you toggle your Q, you have a CC, you have a Nidalee Spear in your kit which slows enemies :O, you have global ultimate that travels as fast as Ferrari Enzo and deals AOE damage and you have a passive that puts you on LSD combined with Extazy when you kill someone.
