Season 7 is the season of stupid supports

GaiousMagnus·Mar 29, 2017·29 votes·6,190 views

So this season is probably the most I have ever seen off-meta supports, ever. I either lose because my team has a stupid off-meta, or the enemy team has an off-meta and my team doesn't know how to fight it. I play mid and top and I leave my winning lane to help and all the sudden I'm super negative, and all my LP is gone in a day. Example, I went Jhin adc is ranked and I had this wonderful support: . He fed 13 kills in 10 minutes. Then I play Talon mid. And the enemy support? . I was 5/0 in under 10 minutes and had half my build completed when I notice the enemy kog'maw is 10/0. This season is so stupid.

57 Comments

SkiasMar 29, 20178 votes

I stayed optimistic and tried playing Taric through the first half of the season. As his win rate drops, I'm just giving up. Fighting AP carries bottom is just miserable as a melee support tank. Riot said they would make changes if they got forced out and nothing has been done about it.

My main is a support melee champ with a solo laner's power curve. So I'm useless against AP early, mediocre mid game and useless against BC and LW late game.

I'm saddled with generic support items that anyone can take and doesn't make my kit anymore effective than my opponent.

Being a support main feels super bad when taking my champion Top is the only way I can be effective.

I reached Gold with him so far and I just can't enjoy going bot with him at the moment.

RainXBladeMar 30, 20171 votes

Why not just buff all melee supports to where they can out-duel any AP "support" even w/o proper itemization? See, that's the solution to this stupid, "Everything can be a support, as long as it can deal magic damage and has CC" meta.

Great MutaMar 29, 20177 votes

The supports are doing too much damage. A Sona and Lulu can easily out trade me as an ADC early on.

AhristocatsMar 29, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HTEAMaMx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-29T20:21:13.715+0000)

A Sona and Lulu can easily out trade me as an ADC early on.

How a sona can out-trade an adc?

Great MutaMar 29, 20171 votes

She heals.

RatbertMar 29, 20171 votes

Yeah but then she spends a third of her mana. You spent nothing.

AhristocatsMar 29, 20173 votes

her heals cost 23.5% of her maximum mana at lvl 1 Her W+Q have a long cd in early game she has 325 base ms her W heals for 30 and shields for 35 unlike every other supports she has nothing to fight in 2v2 once she used her Q and her W

once she "harasses" an adc, if the adc is in master tier he's going to follow Sona til she dies because she can't do anything to fight back and she's slow af

tell me more about Sona out-trading adcs

Handy Sandy Mar 29, 20172 votes

Minion agro on the adc

AhristocatsMar 29, 20172 votes

minion agro doesn't do jackshit anymore, i have yet to realise how minions helped me one time as Sona, as Darius as any laner

And lmfao, If Sona trades with an adc she's going to get minion agro first because of her passive being on-hit damage

TerozuMar 29, 20174 votes

It does a ton of dmg early game, 4 caster minion autos deal almost one sona q's worth of dmg to most adcs, and you'll most likely be hit by 6-9

chipndip1Mar 29, 20171 votes

Honestly I have issues keeping minion aggro off ME as a Sona player. I usually use W just to block caster pellets.

LimrickMar 30, 20171 votes

99.9% of players are not in Master tier.

Leona OPMar 30, 20171 votes

Now, thats a familiar name..

WHERE HAVE U BEEN

Lord Phazanor Mar 30, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HTEAMaMx,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-03-29T20:33:37.731+0000)

her heals cost 23.5% of her maximum mana at lvl 1 Her W+Q have a long cd in early game she has 325 base ms her W heals for 30 and shields for 35 unlike every other supports she has nothing to fight in 2v2 once she used her Q and her W

once she "harasses" an adc, if the adc is in master tier he's going to follow Sona til she dies because she can't do anything to fight back and she's slow af

tell me more about Sona out-trading adcs

People don't like it when you prove they say shit.

AirKingNeoMar 29, 20178 votes

True, no Sona ever makes trades.

Just a poke, and poke, and poke. Sona shouldn't make a real "trade".

Prison AnaIMar 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HTEAMaMx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-29T20:23:25.073+0000)

How a sona can out-trade an adc?

auto enhanced with passive and q

AhristocatsMar 30, 20171 votes

if only trades were limited to this

XD XDDDD

Dasdi96Mar 29, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HTEAMaMx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-29T20:21:13.715+0000)

The supports are doing too much damage. A Sona and Lulu can easily out trade me as an ADC early on.

Aren't adcs supposed to be shit at early trading?

KnoyleMar 29, 201715 votes

ADCs are SUPPOSED to be weak early. Supports are supposed to be good without much offensive itemization. So by default yeah supports will usually outrade you unless its one that doesn't really have any damage oriented abilities.

SlythionMar 29, 20174 votes

Draven DRAAAAAAAVEN

TerozuMar 29, 20171 votes

^ This is true. ^

MokkunMar 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HTEAMaMx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-29T20:21:13.715+0000)

The supports are doing too much damage. A Sona and Lulu can easily out trade me as an ADC early on.

Supports are supposed to kick your shit in in the first few minutes. ADC's have to scale.

TotalJerkMar 30, 20171 votes

Supports have always been stronger than ADCs early on.

CochoMar 29, 20176 votes

Ashe item 3504 MissFortune item 2301 item 3071

this doesn't look odd at all lol

AirKingNeoMar 29, 20173 votes

Ardent Ashe is of course Stornborn Pact Ashe for those wondering what the heck is this shit.

Also bonus of she buys hurricane and then full tank.

ExcusemeFellowsMar 30, 20171 votes

Sooo, who's the adc?

WoonStruckMar 30, 20171 votes

Any ADC can mesh with the slows+stun well, so...any other ADC.

ExcusemeFellowsMar 30, 20171 votes

Oh, rip.

ExcusemeFellowsMar 30, 20171 votes

Why not just play a traditional support then?

AirKingNeoMar 30, 20171 votes

Ashe is the support

SSJTribeMar 30, 20171 votes

what the heck is this shit.

my exact thought

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 29, 20175 votes

"When saw adc/supp/.... in S7" by a bronze [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

RaoulMar 29, 20173 votes

well, except from a few cases, every mage with a hard CC can outclass most support champions so no suprise here...

SkiasMar 29, 20172 votes

We've reached a weird meta where every position REQUIRES a good deal of damage. Pure supports can't keep up and become a liability in SoloQ. Organized play might be a little different, but SoloQ is so insanely aggressive, you are a liability if you don't bring offense.

Tanks even have to deal damage or they aren't viable.

Moves were made to reduce damage but... I have no idea how to take damage rush out of bot lane.

Great MutaMar 29, 20173 votes

I think it's just time to rework bot lane. Would solve the problems of ADC's always being too weak or too strong and having to wait til 40 mins in to be effective and would solve the problem of troll supports, people not wanting to support and supports not being able to contribute as much.

SkiasMar 29, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HTEAMaMx,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-03-29T21:33:03.892+0000)

I think it's just time to rework bot lane. Would solve the problems of ADC's always being too weak or too strong and having to wait til 40 mins in to be effective and would solve the problem of troll supports, people not wanting to support and supports not being able to contribute as much.

I agree.

LimmieMar 30, 20172 votes

Two junglers should be the new meta. I'm not even kidding.

3TWarriorMar 30, 20171 votes

I think the biggest problem with ADCs is that their stats are reliable against towers. They could keep their damage if they weren't a siege class

dunder killMar 29, 20176 votes

Lmao what are you talking about?

Janna is ranked dead last in damage to champs for the support role and still has a 53% win rate

Ivern is also ranked dead last in damage to champs for the jungle role and has a 57% winrate

Lulu is ranked 25th out of 29 for damage dealt to champs and is S-tier across all ELOs while being pick/ban in LCS

Soraka is ranked second to last in damage dealth to champions for the support role and has a 52% win rate

inb4 Ivern isn't a support. He is.

SkiasMar 29, 20173 votes

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Lmao what are you talking about?

is ranked dead last in damage to champs for the support role and still has a 53% win rate

is also ranked dead last in damage to champs for the jungle role and has a 57% winrate

is ranked 25th out of 29 for damage dealt to champs and is S-tier across all ELOs while being pick/ban in LCS

is ranked second to last in damage dealth to champions for the support role and has a 52% win rate

inb4 Ivern isn't a support. He is.

How many of those are Melee Support Tanks?

Ivern is a jungler, he doesn't go bot which is clearly what I was talking about if you read the whole comment instead of skimming it.

dunder killMar 29, 20172 votes

We've reached a weird meta where every position REQUIRES a good deal of damage. Pure supports can't keep up and become a liability in SoloQ.

lol

TerozuMar 29, 20171 votes

Ivern does still go bot sometimes though, and Leona is fucking awesome and a pain to fight against, as is Malphite, your arguments are logicless.

SkiasMar 29, 20175 votes

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Ivern does still go bot sometimes though, and Leona is fucking awesome and a pain to fight against, as is Malphite, your arguments are logicless.

I never see Malphite or Ivern in Gold and above. You are in Bronze 4, where anything can be played. I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. I haven't seen Leona picked all season.

GULAG 4 UMar 30, 20171 votes

Wait you didn't roam as talon? You're not playing him right then.

Great MutaMar 30, 20172 votes

Talon is the roaming king.

Had a Talon in ranked who didn't roam. Still lost in CS and fed his midlaner.

Ariel the CruelMar 30, 20171 votes

I hovered Trundle support earlier today. Team: "WTF, pick a support." (>_>)

Enemy team picks Draven/Morgana, ADC picks Twitch. I know Draven out-trades Twitch early game and Morg invalidates Trundle, so I switch to Yorik. Team: "WTF, Yorik is useless." (>_>)

Lane phase, Twitch keeps forcing wave under enemy turret, Eating Draven's AA's, and dropping jungler bait. By the glory of a 20 second CD Jarvin ult (That Black shield can't ignore), I manage to keep him alive for the first ~8 minutes. Then he dies. Team: "You can't even peel." (>_>)

I spend mid game throwing monsters wave bot with my ~~Free Banner of Command~~ Ult. Manage to Drop almost 2 turrets (Equivalent), in addition to picks and peels with the Jarvin ult. Enemy Draven AFK's effectively ending the game. Enemy team: "Lucky 4v5" Ally team: "4v4. Yorik didn't do anything." ( O ____ O )

I fully concede, I do a lot of strange/stupid crap. But that's not an excuse to put blinders on. I don't just pull these things out of the Sheep's handbook. I know what I'm doing ~~most of the time~~. (T_T)

Of course. Having gotten that out of my system. I can always queue top/mid for a game to be reminded why I've mained Support for 7 seasons. Ya'll Rabadon-rushing, wardless, chain-death auto-fills make my head hurt. (- - _ - - )

EDIT: I've run Xerath support, actually. Decent in a poke comp if you can land his W & R. Most games scenarios though, Velkoz 's true damage transitions into mid game better.

Tried Ahri support. Too much of her power budget is tied up in mobility and she doesn't scale well on a support income. Charm alone, does not an effective support make.

Friendly RamMar 30, 20171 votes

yorick support sounds fun. i'll try it sometimes.

WoonStruckMar 30, 20171 votes

And Riot fucking up the meta by introducing completely overloaded+overtuned itemization...again.

And Riot fucking up the jungle...again.

And Top becoming the most binary lane in the game...again.

RookPusherMar 30, 20171 votes

If this was a rage post, then fine. If it's attempting to present a real argument I have a few objections:

Don't conflate off-meta and feeding. Correlation is not causation.
I get your frustration. I play support often and having a dope down there with you is absolute hell. But the S7 changes to support (e.g. getting carry mages) is a good evolution for the game. Are there growing pains? Yes. But once we move beyond them it will be a net-gain.
People asking for traditional supports are equivalent to asking for traditional gender roles. You don't actually care, you just don't want anyone muscling in on your territory. But I find this to be a very self-centered view of the game. And frankly, in a game that favors adaptability, if the support happened to get some kills, adapt. Or push yourself harder. Don't ask for your support to suck more.
The anecdotal evidence you're citing isn't something we can operate on. But what I'd say to you us (and I do this) if the support is the role you find weakest, play it and run the table on people. Because if the weakest link in stronger than their weakest link, you should be winning.

GoldstompApr 29, 20171 votes

I love me some Trundle support. He tanks/disrupts/peels and confuses the crap out of the opponents in bot most of the time. I win pugs over 90% of the time as support Trundy. He is off-meta as supp so he isn't perfect but with the correct situational build and play style he can rip bot lane like mofo. Lots of fun and stupidly OP coz he can still farm lane mid to late game if you need to carry scrubs.