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Janna Discussion and why she shouldn't be nerfed excessively

Holynova·9/30/2017, 1:46:10 AM·3 votes·528 views

Janna is literally taking a massive beating in the nerfs department and in all fairness its not her whos oppressive but its her build path that makes her powerful. What should be nerfed is the coin build path and ardent censor even more . Coin lets her basically sit in lane for so long without having to oom . Literally she can spam shield botlane even with its long cooldown because she won't come close to going oom due to coin . Now i'm just able to auto carrys to death with the new passive and coins speed boost near turrets and avoid skillshots with ease. Its sad because I debate on going coin or frostfang on lulu but coin is ten times better than frostfang in the long shot . With the destruction of janna and her constant permabanning now other supports are going to come out on top and with that they'll be nerfed but the main issue still and always will be is that coin is so overloaded. It grants so much gold just for standing there vs relic shield or frostfang having to make you work for it. Coin needs to be addressed instead of nerfing janna this includes ardent censor and redemption. The

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SwiftKitten889/30/2017, 1:52:43 AM2 votes

i hear you... but no one on the forums will listen... and we all know riot wont either...

riots balance team is so blatantly biased toward AD it would be funny if i didn't have to deal with it every game...

Hexs Fortune9/30/2017, 1:59:31 AM2 votes

I'd rather they nerf janna than the items which affect several champs who lie under janna's winrate

Curious Kat9/30/2017, 1:56:49 AM1 votes

Riots balance team has some good weed. That's all i got to say.

Riot - Ardent Censor and coin are too strong, how do we want to go about this?

Employee 1 - We can start by lowering the shield+ bonus.

Employee 2 - Let's reduce the CDR on the item, so Shield isn't spammable every 3 seconds, before the last one fell off.

Employee 3 - Let's make the item cost more gold, so the power spike doesn't happen so early.

Riot - Good idea, let's turn Janna into an ADC, and up the CD on her shield, and Buff Ardent Censor.

Like, WHAT THE FUCK. IDK if you've seen ADC Janna yet, but that shit hurts. And it will only make her better the way they are going about this.

Prepare for double "support" bot lane. ADC Janna, with some engage like Leona or Thresh. Won't even be able to move before you die.

GrievousFetus9/30/2017, 2:13:41 AM1 votes

Here's the problem with that thinking.

Ancient coin and ardent censer increase Janna's effectiveness in terms of strictly passive stats. If you nerf Censer and Coin, Janna still plays identically to how she plays now, she's just weaker on a strictly numeric level. People don't dislike Janna simply because she's effective. People dislike her on a fundamental level. They hate her play patterns, they hate her extreme pacifist gameplay she promotes, they hate her low interactivity, they hate her complete lack of skill expression, everything about her is just obnoxious and unlikable to play against. Janna could have a 45% winrate and everyone would still hate her. The fact that Censer and Coin elevated her from not just annoying, but annoying and good, with a 56-57% winrate, drove it absolutely over the edge and brought how goddamn awful on every level she is to the forefront. When you get people who've made a point to climb to relatively high elos with Janna without putting points into Q or W, ending the game with 0 damage dealt, there's a huge design problem. Nerfing coin and censer doesn't fix any of the underlying problems with her, it just hits her numbers and tunes her down.

This gutting has been a long time coming, since season goddamn 2, and frankly I'm happy to leave Janna at a 30% winrate with a 26s CD on her shield at all ranks until she gets reworked.

MysterQ9/30/2017, 2:20:30 AM1 votes

The problem isn't Janna. It is ADCs.