Poppy rework is a fail

Maribari··2 votes·1,357 views

Hello fellow summoners.

Just an honest oppinion after spending a day with a new poppy. Whole rework is fail, what seems to be funny at start turns out to be a nightmare few minutes later. All 4 (5) of her skills are situational.

Let me start from beggining a passive:

  1. It is only useful during a gang with red buff to get this first engage. Shield is almost impossible to catch mid air thus leaving us with a choice to either go for it and lose target or leave it wherever it drops. Considering that You have to possition for each of her skill shield ends up being a low priority usually. Also Poppy animation is terrible it stops poppy from moving which is the wrorst thing ever...
  2. Her q - nice skill, but almost impossible to be pulled off without landing a stun. Cast time is long and range very small meaning that usally You will miss it if You try to finish running target.
  3. Her W only works for dashes meaning that it counters some champs hard, while leaving other unharmed. It should work for any form of repostioning skills (zed w, ezreael e and so on, anything cept flash) to cover wider range of champions.\
  4. Her E it is same as it used to be, was and is situational.
  5. Her ulti. What a terrible idea, there is not a single good thing about this ulti cept maybe disengaging someone at the start of team fight. It's dmg is bugged as hell, usually doing no dmg at all. It makes target untargetable so You can't use it as a nice engage move. It is hard to land on a proper target , as it hits minion as well. Usually brings more frustation than anything else.

All in all she was nice concept and got reworked into some shity and very situational thing. Maybe can be great in 5 vs 5 high elo but if so she will end up banned there forever, while in lower elo she won't be picked at all.

Please fix it riot !

20 Comments

colesy5 votes
  1. poppy's shield procs spellblade effects and dead man's plate, so it's a super easy way of catching up to people.
  2. then land the stun? failing that, cast it where you think they'll run to. remember you can e to a minion and stun to stop yourself from knocking the champion away.
  3. then she'd be absolutely broken. she already cripples dash champions which are the ones you'll see played all the time, if you made w work on blinks she'd be 100% pick/ban.
  4. it has insane range. you can E people from mid lane brush in to the wall at raptors.
  5. can use to either knockback tanks, squishy divers, if you take red smite your damage ticks while they're knocked up, if you're dueling you can either use it as an execute, or knock them up which allows you to reposition to land your E stun.

so no, she doesn't suck after rework. I'd say she feels pretty overtuned and might get nerfed soon, but she's extremely fun to play.

Sky of Smiles4 votes

I think she's really good at peeling. I've seen Poppy JG/Top making really huge impacts in my games only to throw their lead because they want to become Darius. I've also seen Poppy lose early game only to come back and make up for it with good peels.

I've only played her like once and I question the item 3071 rush. Like how item 3165 is an ok item for mages because it gives a bit of everything (mana regen, AP, CDR, and a nice grievous wounds bonus which is really helpful vs certain match ups), item 3071 gives a bit of everything to AD Casters (health, AD, CDR, and armor shred which helps complement the base stats on their spells). Given the range of her spells, I don't consider her to be an AD Caster much like Illaoi. Might be better off with item 3143 or item 3068 .

colesy2 votes

it's situational. you can rush iceborn if getting shit on by an AD laner, you can rush visage/cleaver/veil/sterak if getting shit on by AP. black cleaver absolutely isn't core on poppy, it's just a nice item to pick up if your lane is going quite smoothly. but yeah, sunfire is fine on her. so is randuin's. dead man's is pretty much core since her passive interacts with the slow.

Sky of Smiles1 votes

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it's situational. you can rush iceborn if getting shit on by an AD laner, you can rush visage/cleaver/veil/sterak if getting shit on by AP. black cleaver absolutely isn't core on poppy, it's just a nice item to pick up if your lane is going quite smoothly. but yeah, sunfire is fine on her. so is randuin's. dead man's is pretty much core since her passive interacts with the slow.

Read your post. TY and I agree with your perspective on her new kit.

junglerboy164 votes

First of all, you clearly don't understand how she actually works right now.

Passive: You can't catch the shield unless you are last hitting something with it (so I don't know if you mean "catch" in the same way as Draven's axes or if you mean it like getting the last hit). If you are using it aggressively to trade in lane, you are already at an advantage by having a long range trading tool, and you can ignore the shield since they usually can't retaliate anyway. If you are farming with it, it returns automatically, which makes last hitting extremely safe and easy.

Q: It is supposed to be hard to land both procs, otherwise it wouldn't be able to deal such a huge amount of damage. The first hit is very easy to land if you're within AA range of an enemy (like it's supposed to be) and the second hit is supposed to be hard unless they're CCed, otherwise you'd be able to chunk them for an eighth of their health for free whenever you felt like it.

W: I can't say I disagree here. I'm sick of blink getting special treatment amongst mobility abilities, it seems unfair to me.

E: Strong combo tool, you're guaranteed at least one hit of Q if you dash onto them, even if you don't stun them. Her combo is rewarding and fun, and this situationality is core to that.

R: This can be used SOOOOO many ways it's not even funny. BE CREATIVE. You can use it for isolating enemies and snowballing a lane, you can use it for disengage, you can use it to send Zilean bombs on a minion for epic fadeaway kills, etc.

Poppy is a cohesive, efficient champion after the rework. She is designed to get picks with her damage and combo early, and peel for allies with her CC and knock backs late. Just because she isn't a cookie cutter "Dive into the enemy team" tank doesn't make her bad. All of you people who say as much are ignorant of how tanks function and how to team fight as an off-tank. She is really strong because of her high base damage and utility and is a phenomenal jungler and support. Top lane might not be the best right now, but it isn't terrible either.

Maribari1 votes

Passive: You only talk about line. I talk about jungling / team fight. In that case, only half of her passive works. Not mentioning that she has to stop to attack, that is god damn ugly trade, considering positioning is everything on her.

Q: It is hard to land even first one when You chase someone. Casting time is to long.

E: is fine, it's same old E anyway.

R: Never said it can't be used. Just not really in pair with any other ulties. Riot once said that they want to avoid trolling skills. No i see they change their side. It's 3rd character with trolling skill. 1st. Was Bart with stasis, than Trench who can eat You anytime he wishes (i mean ally) and now poppy that can change whole group of ppl to untergatable. Just make ppl targetable during knockup and fix the damn dmg bug and it will be kinda fina.

VictoryDance962 votes

She needs her old ult back... that would fix everything for me.

MohawkBird8 votes

Dude that's the sole reason she got reworked.

LOLegitimate5 votes

don't forget that she was removed from the free champion rotation for 2 1/2 years

MohawkBird5 votes

I hope now that she was reworked people don't start pretending that she was healthy to spite Riot.

LF Annie1 votes

it was also her passive that caused the rework, and the targeted high dmg scaling %hp nuke. #knowyourfacts

Maribari2 votes

True to some point.

Both her old ulti and passive were far supperior than the current ones.

In my opinion she needs 3 things now.

  1. Buckler always goes back to her, so she always gots a shield.
  2. Her w stops any relocations spells.
  3. Targets of her ulti are targetable.
Caytheles4 votes

Her old ult was just a freelo thing... atleaste now you can use her ult for so much more than towerdiving.. Kind of like the old Fiora, Skilless people complained that her ult was fine when it wasnt.

VictoryDance961 votes

My feelings are hurt.

Caytheles1 votes

oh.. i really didnt mean to hurt your feelings. i was just claiming the facts.

Maribari1 votes

Totally not true.

Her ulti could be cleansed !

Caytheles2 votes

Yeah, off of yourself.. which means she would be immune to All dmg.

Quepha3 votes

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She needs her old ult back... that would fix everything for me.

Removing her ult was goal #1 of the rework.

PlatypusSurprise1 votes

Honestly I really enjoy the new poppy. On summoners rift I have a 62% win rate on her and I've had games with scores like 7/1/10 (33 minute game) & less impressive 10/6/13. Worst games I've had on her is 1/10/4 (first game playing her after the rework) or 1/9/9 where I just did not build well at all (got item 3748 before item 3053 and hydra is an iffy buy in the first place).

So I think she is in a good place right now.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

From what I see sir, it seems more like you don't understand/know how to play her...

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