Akali nerf on patch 9.17 is very bad to her

MRxandre2006·Aug 22, 2019·9 votes·9,081 views

The nerf coming to on patch 9.17 will impact her a lot. This nerf ( AP ratio on her Q - Five Point Strike - was reduced from 0.6 to 0.4 ) makes her early damage very weak and her wave clear bad. This will make her winrate go down again on low elo even though pro players will still be good but now will have much more difficulty in some matchups. I suggest making her Q's AP ratio 0.5 ( or revert it ) or making another ability stronger to compensate the nerf on her most important tool ( like making her passive's AP ratio and AD ratio 0.65 or making the cooldown on her R or E lower ). In my opinion this changes i suggested would solve things but I know some other people will have different opinions because I love this champion and some people hate it.

35 Comments

General MattyAug 22, 201913 votes

Maybe if the character wasn't so fundamentally busted she could be abused regardless of the nerfs she receives...She's constantly banned in pro play for that reason.

JaspersAug 22, 20192 votes

Sadly true, notice how little they nerf her movement. This is a big issue with her, so much movement and dashes and safety but all they do is nerf her damage.

LapisAug 22, 20197 votes

Man, I feel so sorry for Akali mains. Everyone telling you your champ is broken while her winrate's in the gutter. Can't be fun!!

preternaturalAug 22, 201911 votes

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Man, I feel so sorry for Akali mains. Everyone telling you your champ is broken while her winrate's in the gutter. Can't be fun!!

she is objectively broken, she's just severely skill gated.

LapisAug 22, 20194 votes

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she is objectively broken, she's just severely skill gated.

Objectively is a strong thing to claim when it seems that most of it is rooted in pure personal bias. From what I've seen, most people don't like her, they hate playing against her, therefore she is broken. But I'd welcome some facts and numbers to prove what I've seen wrong!

preternaturalAug 22, 20193 votes

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Objectively is a strong thing to claim when it seems that most of it is rooted in pure personal bias. From what I've seen, most people don't like her, they hate playing against her, therefore she is broken. But I'd welcome some facts and numbers to prove what I've seen wrong!

dude, objective analysis of a champion takes into account what they can do when executed correctly, not what they can do when timmy 2x4 can't press R on time. so don't @ me with your personal bias 2 fingers gameplay.

let's address the current slated nerf of her Q ap ratio. akali has a lvl 1 combo that no other champion has access to. it's a combo her opponents lose harder for attempting to run away from because of how her passive interacts with the lane. that combo doesn't stop being available to her unless you're a ranged matchup or you're a melee that can effectively threaten her which are so few in number due to her variety of mechanical approaches she can make for skirmishes and her item versatility. but this is just about her Q, which is what the patch notes are focusing on. Q-aa-Q, gives her bonus movespeed so that she can land those empowered auto's too, and she get's to Q you again and maybe get another empowered auto or if not just zone you the fuck out. camille doesn't get to do that, she get's to Q you and now she has to hope that you're stupid enough to fight her and give her passive and her second Q, akali just walks on her opponent and her mechanics grant her means to do extra dmg. which other kit get's to do what akali's Q and passive get to do? fiora? we can talk about her she needs a rework again. ezreal's q isn't aoe and costs mana. lee sin? line skill shot, not aeo, doesn't get magic movement speed to apply passive, it's the same individual spell in two portions as opposed to akali hitting you with two individual Q spells.

this is just her Q. no one else get's stealth and resource regen for stealthing. strongest in game terrain scaling on her E. SICK execution potential on her ulti. but none of these other things are a problem, what is a problem is akali Q-aa-Q'd at lvl1 because i wanted to hit a minion.

LapisAug 22, 20192 votes

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dude, objective analysis of a champion takes into account what they can do when executed correctly, not what they can do when timmy 2x4 can't press R on time. so don't @ me with your personal bias 2 fingers gameplay.

let's address the current slated nerf of her Q ap ratio. akali has a lvl 1 combo that no other champion has access to. it's a combo her opponents lose harder for attempting to run away from because of how her passive interacts with the lane. that combo doesn't stop being available to her unless you're a ranged matchup or you're a melee that can effectively threaten her which are so few in number due to her variety of mechanical approaches she can make for skirmishes and her item versatility. but this is just about her Q, which is what the patch notes are focusing on. Q-aa-Q, gives her bonus movespeed so that she can land those empowered auto's too, and she get's to Q you again and maybe get another empowered auto or if not ust zone you the fuck out. camille doesn't get to do that, she get's to Q you and now she has to hope that you're stupid enough to fight her and give her passive and her second Q, akali just walks on her opponent and her mechanics grant her means to do extra dmg. which other kit get's to do what akali's Q and passive get to do? fiora? we can talk about her she needs a rework again. ezreal's q isn't aoe and costs mana. lee sin? line skill shot, not aeo, doesn't get magic movement speed to apply passive, it's the same individual spell in two portions as opposed to akali hitting you with two individual Q spells.

this is just her Q. no one else get's stealth and resource regen for stealthing. strongest in game terrain scaling on her E. SICK execution potential on her ulti. but none of these other things are a problem, what is a problem is akali Q-aa-Q'd at lvl1 because i wanted to hit a minion.

Okay, you listed her kit. I asked for something objective. And what's objective is that even in challenger, where things are executed correctly, she's at a 52% winrate. Sure, that's above average, but it's not near levels of broken. And the fact of the matter is, the game SHOULDN'T be balanced around top levels of play. Why would you balance a game for a level that only 0.02% of players ever reach? That just leaves the game in a subpar state for the rest of the 99% of the players. Statistically that's a really bad decision.

IP MasquerenaAug 22, 20191 votes

Yes and no.

It does hurt little Jimmy from Plastic 12, but it also serves as a reward for putting the time to master a champion.

Someone once suggested that all champs should have different skill floors but the same skill ceiling. That idea is bad because almost any champ that will require more skill to learn will not be played as much. Why play Azir when Annie can do the same but for much less time investment (remember, their idea was an equal skill ceiling, so Azir when played perfectly would be equally strong to Annie assuming both players are of similar skill).

Get the point?

You can't have skill gated champs if they aren't rewarded when mastered. (As I said another thread, Akali's reward should be lowered a bit more, but still keeping her skill gating)

ŠhàdøwCløneAug 26, 20191 votes

I mean just sit back on lvl 1. Theres characters more broken than akali in every lane that can bully you from much further. For example a empowered q from varus. Theres also characters as busted as akali that dont get any attention. By that i mean annie. She destoys peoples health even before lvl 6. And she doesnt have a high skill cap. Akali could just get a cooldown nerf, its honestly enough to balance her out

haaaaaaalpAug 22, 20193 votes

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Objectively is a strong thing to claim when it seems that most of it is rooted in pure personal bias. From what I've seen, most people don't like her, they hate playing against her, therefore she is broken. But I'd welcome some facts and numbers to prove what I've seen wrong!

A champion who has 20-30% banrate despite a 47% winrate is fundamentally broken. Ranked players would rather waste a ban on akali despite the fact that it will actively hurt their own winrate because of how much they hate akali. This is after countless changes to try to salvage akali's current kit. Her banrate is completely unacceptable given how much riot has tried to improve her design and paints the picture of a champion's design that is broken beyond repair.

LapisAug 22, 20194 votes

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A champion who has 20-30% banrate despite a 47% winrate is fundamentally broken. Ranked players would rather waste a ban on akali despite the fact that it will actively hurt their own winrate because of how much they hate akali. This is after countless changes to try to salvage akali's current kit. Her banrate is completely unacceptable given how much riot has tried to improve her design and paints the picture of a champion's design that is broken beyond repair.

Being hated =/= being broken. She's annoying, sure, I'm not arguing against that.

haaaaaaalpAug 22, 20191 votes

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Being hated =/= being broken. She's annoying, sure, I'm not arguing against that.

Being hated for this long despite multiple changes means the kit is fundamentally broken. She is one of the few champions who can be weak in solo queue and still banned because of how terrible her design is.

ﬂooAug 22, 20192 votes

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Being hated for this long despite multiple changes means the kit is fundamentally broken. She is one of the few champions who can be weak in solo queue and still banned because of how terrible her design is.

By that logic Yasuo has to have the most broken kit out there and yet he's being treated like Riot's wonderchild.

preternaturalAug 22, 20192 votes

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By that logic Yasuo has to have the most broken kit out there and yet he's being treated like Riot's wonderchild.

he is very literally riot's wonderchild, he sells too many fucking skins and makes too much "good money" so he's never actually "bad" he might reach a point of being "balanced" once in a while and then he'll get buffed somewhere along the line because a new skin is coming or he's valuable to have in the pro-meta because he sells tickets, what have you.

akali, after KDA (if you watched any KDA reactions by non-league players then you know she is the most popular of the lot) she won't ever really be bad either for the same reason, i actually don't even want to fathom how much money rito made from those skins and are still making from them we could keep her current Q scalings if rito didn't compensate her E when they removed her true stealth. why did they do that? i don't know, but whatever rito balance team everybody applause

ﬂooAug 22, 20191 votes

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he is very literally riot's wonderchild, he sells too many fucking skins and makes too much "good money" so he's never actually "bad" he might reach a point of being "balanced" once in a while and then he'll get buffed somewhere along the line because a new skin is coming or he's valuable to have in the pro-meta because he sells tickets, what have you.

akali, after KDA (if you watched any KDA reactions by non-league players then you know she is the most popular of the lot) she won't ever really be bad either for the same reason, i actually don't even want to fathom how much money rito made from those skins and are still making from them we could keep her current Q scalings if rito didn't compensate her E when they removed her true stealth. why did they do that? i don't know, but whatever rito balance team everybody applause

I don't doubt she's the most popular of the bunch. She has also been reworked into that kind of champion which takes the spotlight everywhere, just like yasuo, thanks to her flashy kit. To be fair she is fun to play, but kit's that revolve the entire game around one champ aren't healthy imo. I can see her becoming another Yasuo in terms of never being absolute trash and constantly being worked upon. However at the moment she is getting nerf after nerf with small attempts to buff her in other places. Compared to Yas she is problematic in pro play while being hard to play properly for lower elo. Not sure if she's gonna end up like Azir and the likes with only one tricks picking her up, until she gets another rework. Her current kit is just too problematic for pro play without low numbers.

haaaaaaalpAug 22, 20191 votes

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By that logic Yasuo has to have the most broken kit out there and yet he's being treated like Riot's wonderchild.

Oh, there is no denying he is just as bad. Technically, I think akali does outdo him a bit since she gets higher banrates at comparable winrates but yasuo maintains a higher winrate most of the time so it is hard to tell.

Prestige AkaIiAug 22, 20191 votes

That's not what broken means.

mzicioAug 22, 20191 votes

Being broken =/= being OP.

Akali is fundementally flawed in her design and objectively broken. Her kit is mechanically overloaded, no matter the numbers.

ShadowNova1456Sep 2, 20191 votes

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she is objectively broken, she's just severely skill gated.

um, i beg to differ i played akali a lot, but after this patch i couldnt even get a kill on her

KalokasIsMyDaddyAug 22, 20192 votes

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Man, I feel so sorry for Akali mains. Everyone telling you your champ is broken while her winrate's in the gutter. Can't be fun!!

Because getting literally half your health down because she happened to land an E is balanced right? She is my most hated champion. There is almost nothing you can do to outtrade her. She will just W to get back some energy and you will either have to back off and she will get another Q AA off for another 1/4 of your health or you stay and die.

mark6028Aug 22, 20192 votes

Have u looked at her winrate recently?

She used to be at 45% and still a GOOD champion.

Now she is 48% in shitelo up to 51% in good elo=giga ultra broken rn.

And the fact that akali is even when nerfed good in good hands means you guys playing her JUST NEED TO GET BETTER ON HER.

Prestige AkaIiAug 22, 20192 votes

Don't worry about getting downvoted, the boards just like to circlejerk and hate akali.

I guarantee very few, if any of these people are severely affected by Akali being in the state that she is right now since she's only strong in high elo(d1+) and proplay and relatively balanced everywhere else. She's just annoying so they want her to be terrible, it isn't fun.

Jesi OniAug 22, 20193 votes

Riot just hate akali... They will keep nerfing her till from always noone~ literally noone will play her.

preternaturalAug 22, 20193 votes

Q-AA-Q

U R Good At GameAug 22, 20192 votes

Akali's kit is just a fail, shes another 0-15 or 15-0 champion and frustrating af to play against on top of it.

SukishooAug 22, 20192 votes

Nerf was delayed till 9.18 along with Aatrox so they could do more work.

JoeMGAug 22, 20192 votes

I mean, her Q does seem to do an unnecessary amount of damage for how easy it is to hit.

I think a W or E cooldown nerf or just a nerf to her shroud duration would be more a more appropriate fix.

xelakerAug 22, 20191 votes

Might not have these problems if she wasn't ready to be overtuned as hell at any given moment.

ŠhàdøwCløneAug 26, 20191 votes

Rito your pushing the boundaries with akali mains. Too many nerfs shes good now. A small nerf to cooldowns would be sufficient...

reddozer1Aug 27, 20191 votes

Maybe we have had different experiences but Akali's problem isn't any of her stats, its her oppressive and safe early game in top lane with how easily she uses grasp of the undying. So all of these nerfs are in the wrong place so that once that finally nerf that aspect she will be far too weak

KingShakalakaAug 28, 20191 votes

Riot I just want to play my champion in peace man.... like why you do this.... have you seen mord??? That kids cancer akali like just..... look the other way plz

PupinátorSep 21, 20191 votes

Honesty, I Main her, and yes... Im a bronze. But was playing aganist diamonds recently and she is just as OP as she was. All you need to do is to use brain while pressing R. I was almost crying when I saw they nerfed her, but for no reason. Still strong. Akali