The Fail of Shaco * r/leagueoflegends

Shagod··8 votes·902 views
The Fail of Shaco * r/leagueoflegends

This post is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6544to/the_fail_of_shaco/

Hey there I'm stealth is key a master shaco one trick pony on EUW since 3 years and I would like to address some major issues with Shaco since the latest nerfs. First I would like to remind you of the assassin rework and Riots new deffinition of an assassin: assassin rework was released to give assasins less burst thus making them less toxic in exchange for greater sticking power and the ability of getting in and out of teamfights. These description are not valid for Shaco what so ever. His burst got significantly lowered while giving him no extra sticking power nore escape ability from teamfights, in fact they even increased his Q deceive ability cooldown his only escape tool. Shacos personality and lore was based around this psychopath who kills his target and dies in exchange and as long as he gets the kill he has done his duty. Even his death animation is him stabbing himself making him this kamikaze murder that is only usefull for killing his victim and nothing else. If he can't have the burst to kill his target in exchange for not having any escape tool he becomes completely useless and his entire lore and death animation lose reasoning. The old Shaco had insane ad scaling on his passive his Q and his E which made him able to one combo his enemies at 2 item spike. While I do agree this was very unhealthy and was certain they would lower the numbers but the way they did was completely wrong. The new Shaco has close to no ad scaling at all. His passive is a weak critical strike, his Q has a base damage and no scaling with ad and his E lost scaling too in exchange for a missing hp damage. All these changes made the reason to build as an assassin completely pointless and so people adapted. Since we were left with no scaling people decided to exploit what was left for shaco: his insane base stats. With the combination of trinity force and titanic hydra you were really tanky while having a huge burst of damage. Shaco has always had this crazy base damage but with his old Q having a 220% ad ratio multipled by his old passive the low ad of trinity wasn't as strong as for example a infinity edge. The combination of these 2 bruiser items also affected shacos clone. With the new backstab passive having a cooldown building tanky gave you and your clone much more benefits than building 0 defensive stat for a 145 % critical strike that you probably would be able to only land once and than you are dead. Literally all the changes that shaco got forced him into this bruiser playstyle with the removal of all scaling and not adding any escape tool. While I 100% agree with shaco needing nerfs the way they did it was the poorest possible way. The reason Shaco had this insane win rate was purely because of the bruiser build, if you look at his assassin build win rates it was under 50%. They nerfed his passive ad scaling even more, increased his deceive cooldown and removed it's base damage completely. So let's look at what's left of shacos abilities: a 130% critical strike, his Q a no damage ability that you have to put points into to be able to gank, his W got unchanged, his E is still a finisher and his R is unchanged. All that bruiser Shaco lost was the Q base damage while all the changes completely destroyed full damage Shaco. These changes impact the problematic build the least and that's what makes me really angry. The changes I would like to see are base damage nerfs, removal of E missing hp damage and some sort of clone nerfs in exchange for good bonus ad / ap ratios on his passive, his Q and his E. I'm not talking about those crazy ratios of prereworked shaco since the change in stealth would make that really unbalanced, I just want to feel like I do the right choice when I buy a infinity edge instead of a randuins. All these would shut down the still way too strong bruiser build and bring back light in the real Shaco that noone complained about since he had clear weakness and was way easier to shut down . Thank you for taking your time to read my opinions.

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5 Comments

HalcyonDweller3 votes

An enjoyable read, just a suggestion though. Please consider putting extra space between paragraphs to separate it out more. The current wall of text was a tad difficult to read.

Jbels2 votes

Riot hasn't had a clue how to balance anything properly on the first try since ever. Even worse is that they've adopted a "Let's throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" attitude, and if nothing sticks, they just give up and leave the shit on the floor. Look at Mordekaiser. The fuckers completely destroyed any credibility his archetypal lore character had and broke the bottom lane, and then to fix it they tacked on nerf after nerf after nerf until he became a sopping mess.

Riot need to get their shit together when it comes to balancing shit, and they need to do it quickly.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

Eh.

This guy's understanding of how Shaco should play is pretty unhealthy. Looking at stats, there's literally no denying that bruiser Shaco is still a problem, but he's a difficult champ to balance for the reasons that the OP stated. It isn't fun for the other team to be blown up and not able to do anything about it.

This is why Shaco is on the Tier 1 rework list. I'm sure more changes on on their way, possibly in the form of a full VGU.

In the meantime, these sorts of post aren't going to garner much attention from Riot. I'm not saying he's wrong, but he's mainly whining without giving a proper solution. That isn't the right way to draw attention to the issue. At least not in a way that will fix the problem.

Meowsic1 votes

honestly all they did was put him back to old shaco with a hella nerfed passive q,e and ulti has boxes now he would be better if he was where he was before his first rework just put him back into the shadows of the game where only people who where oggd at him where able to play him without gettung 1 shot now with bruiser build any one with a mouse can play him all you need to do is auto i have 315k points on shaco and stopped playing him after his first rework becaus i new shit like this was going to happen they just need to drop is base damage to shit and give him high ratios simple as that im fine with q now just give it the flat 10 sec cdand the full stealth up fron or have it start at 2 and go up to 4.5 cuz 1 is actually not an ablility

The Yetii Rider1 votes

His E just needs to deal physical damage instead of magic damage so the % missing health damage properly scales with lethality.

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