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Why has aatrox not been reverted yet?

RevertAatrox2019·12/9/2019, 12:43:15 AM·5 votes·1,455 views

I dont understand who is making the decisions but just revert Aatrox already.

You still have people requesting this for nearly two years. Its obvious to everyone new Aatrox is a failure and people like the old one.

"but old one has balance issues" what issues? he was bad? and? people enjoyed him regardless. Garen sucks in proplay. Azir sucks in solo q. Skarner just sucks. "the is no way to balance him" Ok firstly he has one patch of "oh god he is op" and this was simply due to item 3124. EVERY auto on hit champion was op its just aatrox could also fight them due to being the same but having the heal mechanic. League of legends is like yugioh and mtg. having life does not win you the game it just stops you losing it. apart from that he had an extremely easy to dodje q, a slow skillshot that got thinner making moving to the side more effective on this skill-shot then every other one in the game. his ult increasing his range still made landing his autos 500 times harder then a Caitlyn auto and is a way to balance an mana scaling burst mage? if he can one shot due to the nature of the mana items he is gonna be tanky and a balance nightmare item 3048 item 3027 if you put Ryze on the burst end (we just make it so he needs to go ap items like item 3135 item 3089 item 3020 ) congratulations you made the tankiest burst mage in the game making him impossible to balance. those items are made for damage over time champs Swain Cassiopeia (ok we will make it so we just those items dont provide just enough to burst) oh but with items like item 3001 item 3110 you just made the highest dps/burst tank character in the game. this concept will clearly never work until you take a look at mana items themselves but you keep trying that.

"oh but the new one is a fine replacement" the only mechanic they shared was the revive. but as we all know the revive didnt stay "oh but he drain tanks" no he doesnt. a 20-30% healing on damage to champions is not a replacement for 6.5% missing health. You dont even notice the healing most the time your just trying to land your three Qs to burst the adc like a cheap knock off of Jax. You could at least fake him being an aatrox by making him heal for 5% missing hp per champion hit by abilities. you did it with Illaoi so she currently has more in common with the old aatrox then the new one.

"oh but the are plenty of other bruisers" saying Jax played simlar to aatrox is like saying Azir plays the exact same to Kayle. generic burst mage 001-010 play the same of "land your cc and burst" Ahri Neeko Zoe Velkoz Syndra Zyra Brand Lux Annie. however people didnt like aatrox cause he was a bruiser people liked him cause he was a drain tank and they have nearly all been reworked into removal. Swain had his healing swaped for burst and hp scaling. Vladimir had Will of the ancients removed for more burst. Sion I wont even attempt this one. Currently the only champions you could class as a real drain tanks are Nasus and DrMundo. nasus simply due to how his passive lifesteal works with his q and mundo due to his kit and mechanics and its quite clear to see how these champions are boring and provide no where near the fun gameplay of aatrox.

"oh but no one will play him and he be a balance problem" addressed this earlier but so what? Just let him be weak or even overnerfed. Who cares if he is played in 1% of games? MonkeyKing is in 2.44% of games. he is weak. he isnt interesting and he is allowed to stay. What is so bad about increasing the champion count from 146 to 147 (148 with moon edge lord on pbe) Plus lets not even address how most the champions riot touch lose players not gain them. Skarner was an interesting champion that was ruined for a juggernaut reworked where he force to be op and now he is a boring champion with a gimmick when his autos reduced all his spells cooldowns he actually had a playerbase. Now no new players have gone to Skarner and half the old ones left him leaving him at a 0.83% Ivern is a champion that riot forced to be competitively viable and even then people dont like him. His kit is boring. His kit is buggy. And no one asked for him. Hence why he has a 1.13% playrate.

"Oh but riot wont revert him just cause you say" Why not? They did it with Rengar . and for the exact same reasons they claim for Aatrox "he isnt healthy, he is a balance nightmare, he is toxic" but last time i checked aatrox doesn't one shot you from stealth. they did it with KogMaw who was a complete balance nightmare (kind of like current Aatrox who dominates pro play and sucks in solo q). oh and anyone remember the adc item rework? anyone remember item 3031 being 70 ad, doubles your critical strike chance and converting 10% of the crit to true damage? how nice was that to play with?

"ok he is never gonna be reverted so just deal with it" ok so why cant the current one be changed to fit what the original one wanted? Instead of giving him this "your 3rd q crit hits like a fucking Veigar" you just make his q do a knock up to the entire area but the damage will be the exact same as an auto but allow the animation/cdr to be scaled with attack speed so he can go items item 3153 to interact with his passive as a cheap rip off of his ult w. and turn his healing from 20-30% champion damage to 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% of missing hp. this would stop fed Aatrox being an unkillable cheese one shot machine or a useless pile of garbage just weighting the team down?

TLDR the is no valid reason Aatrox to not be reverted/reworked again Revert Aatrox Already [sg-shisa]

19 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon12/9/2019, 1:04:37 AM9 votes

Because his old kit was toxic as shit and should never return.

ZephyrDrake12/9/2019, 1:04:37 AM8 votes

You do know that there are people who want the old Sion, Poppy, Yorick, Eve back right? There are people who want the old Urgot back... people wanting something reverted isn't something new. Unless you can show me, statistically speaking that nobody likes the new Aatrox then there is literally no reason for him to ever be reverted

Sukishoo12/9/2019, 2:47:39 AM5 votes

Why has aatrox not been reverted yet?

Cause he never will be.

The JigSAW12/9/2019, 4:08:06 AM2 votes

He needs a revert. He won't get it because Riot refuses to fix the balance problems in the game, in fact they think certain champs with 70% ban rates are "weak" - because all of those people banning them is because they are so easy to deal with right? Its ridiculous. People go back and forth about Aatrox, I mained him for a full year when he first came out and moved on but I miss playing the champion I paid for. So one side says current one is good, one side says we want the old one. Seems like all the mains want the old one that was mildly reworked before the full rework. Okay, here's a compromise.

Aatrox, The Darkin Blade

Passive: Blood Well

Aatrox's damage given (10 per spell/5 per attack) and taken (5 per attack or spell) add to his Blood Well, which caps at 20% of his maximum health at all ranks. Once the well is full, he receives 25-35-45% bonus attack speed, 20-30-40 attack damage, and 15-20-25% lifesteal for 5 seconds and draining the well. When Aatrox is out of combat his well drains for 10 blood per second after six seconds of not being in combat. When Aatrox takes fatal damage, he revives 2.5 seconds later while invulnerable but also not able to move or deal damage with the blood well amount plus 35% of that amount (180 second cooldown)

Q - Dark Flight (no cost)

Aatrox leaps up and drops in the center of a location dealing a base amount of physical damage + 0.4 A.D ratio. Enemies in the center are knocked up briefly.

W - Blood Thirst/Blood Price - no cost/25-65 health per hit

Blood Thirst toggle - restores a certain amount of health based on level and AD ratio per 3 hits

Blood Price toggle - Delivers on-hit bonus damage every third hit equal to double the health cost (25-65) plus a ratio of A.D - Cannot be used if under 5% maximum health

E - Blades of Torment - no cost

Aatrox slashes in a target direction with his blade, sweeping over an area with 0.4 AD/base physical damage that applies a slow of 20% for all units for 1-1.5 seconds.

R - Massacre - no cost

Aatrox erupts into a massive Darkin form, gaining 25-35-45 movement speed, 20-30-40% attack speed, 25-50-75 attack damage and 20-30-40% lifesteal for 10 seconds. If an enemy is killed while this form is active, he gains a full blood well when the ult ends.

So, basically we're reverting Aatrox to his old form, removing most health costs except on his second W, and making his ult grant benefits to warrant using it at the right times for maximum damage output.

PROS

  • No cost/manaless except for one ability
  • High damage
  • Great in lane sustainability
  • Good to great roam ability
  • Built in revive with limited health restoration that has a cooldown, as opposed to 5 seconds of being unable to die every 80 or so seconds.
  • Forces people to think rather than turret dive and one-hit kill

CONS

  • Melee range, with limited range on his Q and E that have relatively high cooldowns at the start
  • Health cost on W for risk of higher damage/quick kill
  • Susceptible to CC/ganking from 2 or more people more than most champions
  • Easily poked with low health early on
  • Ult does not do damage in and of itself, but grants higher stats for the duration
  • Blood Well will lose blood over time when not in combat

So he won't be a cheese machine, he won't be able to kill himself using his W, and in short he'll be a lot more useful. This is mostly the Aatrox I loved and mained for a year, and this is the one most people on the boards want back with a tweak or two added. Yeah, he has his blood well revive but there are people in this game with INVULNERABILITY on faster cooldown, several of those champions reworked AFTER Aatrox.

Lordofthepittt12/9/2019, 12:55:24 AM2 votes

I actually like Aatrox just the way he is. I do miss his revive though. His old kit was great. I loved it. But he couldn't keep up with modern champs that have ridiculous mobility and whatever else. His Q was just a single knockup, which was lame, and he had a slow. Basically crap CC.

I do feel like the new Aatrox could use some slight buffs though. I don't want him to be busted but he doesn't feel particularly strong currently. And hi passive is super weak imo. Doesn't seem to do a whole lot of anything and I think that is kind've meh. But thats just me. TL;DR I love you will you go out with me?

boricCentaur112/9/2019, 1:10:45 AM2 votes

So he should go back to being a horrible champion that took no skill and that nobody played ok.

Like I hate to break this to you but NOBODY LIKE OLD AATROX. Even when he was broken he wasn't played much. Like when he has op his playrate reached around the same playrate as a tank when they're good which means it wasn't good since he is a carry champion and then they're op there playrate is pretty high.

Aatrox was a success it give Aatrox actual players.

Żügżwäng12/9/2019, 2:44:45 AM2 votes

Why was xerath reworked? I dont know. Aatrox is never going back. Let go of that youtube video everyone is copy pasting.

DGOT12/15/2019, 3:52:11 PM1 votes

why the down votes?