Buff or Nerf???

II NunziO II·Sep 30, 2015·1 votes·984 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/930-pbe-update.html#more

Riven [NOTE: These changes are EXPERIMENTAL. Few tweets for context: 1, 2, 3 ]

Runic Blade (Passive) changed to: Riven's abilities charge her blade, causing her next basic attack to deal an additional physical damage. If Runic Blade damages an enemy champion, Riven gains 20 Edge.
Riven's damage is increased by up to 10% based on how much Edge she has. If she hasn't gained Edge in the last 10 seconds, Riven begins to lose her Edge at the rate of 10 every second.
Bonus Damage:X Passive is now on next basic attack rather than stacking up to three times. Passive now generates a new resource called Edge.

Blade of the Exile (R) - Wind Slash now consumes all Edge to increase damage rather than based on health missing.

Seems a buff rather than a nerf...

16 Comments

Mr Broken WingsSep 30, 20156 votes

If that goes through she will be completly unviable.

http://champion.gg/champion/riven

Riven has an average winrate of 51%, thats considered balanced. Her winrate starts on 46% and you need to play 50 games + to get an average winrate of 50%, thats pretty bad compared to a lot of champions already. Her 51% winrate comes from the playerbase, an average riven player has over 120 games played with her, her overall winrate should be a lot higher. She already got hit hard by the release of the juggernauts and fiora in terms of viability, riot would just completly gut her out of viability on poppy level. But hey, thats what you guys wanted! Grats.

PyrodiniumSep 30, 20151 votes

Isn't that a reason to change her?

Historically, champions with high skillfloor and very high skill ceiling have been a nightmare to balance adequately.

Weiner the PoohSep 30, 20151 votes

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Isn't that a reason to change her?

Historically, champions with high skillfloor and very high skill ceiling have been a nightmare to balance adequately.

Good thing is that atleast riven has neither of those.

PyrodiniumSep 30, 20154 votes

Aren't her animation-cancelling uber-combos some of the hardest skills to master in the game?

ShinTwistSep 30, 20153 votes

Yes, but don't let the anti-Riven circlejerk hear you say as much.

Weiner the PoohOct 1, 20151 votes

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Aren't her animation-cancelling uber-combos some of the hardest skills to master in the game?

Considering you can cancel them withher laugh, no.

umbraˉSep 30, 20159 votes

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If that goes through she will be completly unviable.

http://champion.gg/champion/riven

Riven has an average winrate of 51%, thats considered balanced. Her winrate starts on 46% and you need to play 50 games + to get an average winrate of 50%, thats pretty bad compared to a lot of champions already. Her 51% winrate comes from the playerbase, an average riven player has over 120 games played with her, her overall winrate should be a lot higher. She already got hit hard by the release of the juggernauts and fiora in terms of viability, riot would just completly gut her out of viability on poppy level. But hey, thats what you guys wanted! Grats.

I don't know why Riot listens to this board. These people are literally the biggest anti-riven and zed circle jerkers in the universe.

Mr Broken WingsSep 30, 20153 votes

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I don't know why Riot listens to this board. These people are literally the biggest anti-riven and zed circle jerkers in the universe.

You basically get punished for good play now with the passive change. Want to e + r to cancel one animation? Wow you cant stack your passive anymore you waste damage, wp. That happens on every other combo, great. So basically riot wants you to aa between EVERYTHING, that will make her combo longer and she already has to rely on her fast burst combos to not simply die in an attempt of killing something. No reason to pick her over other toplaner anyway ALREADY, thats just overkill.

WolfChasesSep 30, 20154 votes

I really started to think that Riot actually does balance/nerf/buff champions according to what Bronzes and Silvers think rather than hihger elo players.

Even tho I agree Riven is really strong and snowbally she doesn't deserve something like this for sure, nor even Zed deserved As nerf and that slight Ultimate nerf, to be honest, Zed didn't even need that QOL buff from the past that brought him back into the meta for a while, he was just fine as he was.

What do they did to Zed:

Was perfectly fine X meta champion -They QOL-ed him to make him permaviable even against something that should counter him (tanks and bruisers) -Nerfed him in the wrong direction so he is now permacountered by tanks, melee ADCs with Devourer, and also against few top tier mages like Lux, Viktor while also being countered by Malzahar and swain, he also struggles against Azir and Ekko tho.

A Miss FortuneSep 30, 20151 votes

Won't she still have a lot of damage and multiple forms of AoE CC...and also 4 low cooldown dashes? I think she'll still be viable, her damage right now isn't the only reason she's strong.

Mr Broken WingsSep 30, 20155 votes

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Won't she still have a lot of damage and multiple forms of AoE CC...and also 4 low cooldown dashes? I think she'll still be viable, her damage right now isn't the only reason she's strong.

4 dashes with lower range then 1 ezreal e, you need to use 2 abilities for the same range. Multiple aoe cc WHEN you are MELEE in 5 enemies as a squishy. Why not just picking a mage for that purpose? He can stay 1000 units away and aoe damage and cc them. Rivens kit only works because of her bursty character, if they force her into longer trades and tankier builds she ends up being a worse irelia, nothing else. Also the last e nerf actually did exactly the opposite. Riot wanted her to trade in short trades and so they nerfed her e duration and now they give her a passive that is better in longer trades in which you aa between everything? That change completly fucks with what riot wanted riven to be, a champion who has to choose the right short trades in lane all the time instead of extended fighting , thats why she has her shield to negate damage in these short trades. Horrible design decision imo.

Cinderhulk RivenSep 30, 20153 votes

This is what is known as "olafing" a champion.

Emperor CynricSep 30, 20152 votes

shes just needs to be deleted entirely

Sire HippingtonSep 30, 20152 votes

why do you think that she gets buffed by that? because off the upt to 10% bonus damage?

her passive not haveing 3 stacks anymore is a very huge nerf, and i'm pretty sure the ult damage changes mean it's harder to burst a squishy if you catch him with a flash-W, as you need time to built up edge, while, atleast right now, it takes little time to get an squishy low befor unleashing the windslash...

KidSpectreSep 30, 20151 votes

Need to wait until all the changes are documented before formulating an opinion.

DecritSep 30, 20151 votes

Buff or nerf dunno, but probably that will reduce her burst damage, increase her followup and increase the skill ceiling ( aka how much well you can play her). which is good, imho.