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please stop making teemo skins

Devils Adviser·Oct 21, 2016·6 votes·1,025 views

until you fully rework that champion into something that properly reflects your current design standards around mechanics such as stealth, traps, poison, and blind, PLEASE stop making content revolving this champion. Yes everyone has fun hating on Teemo but at the same time he is a legitimate black flag in the face of all the design progress riot has made in terms of champions. All of his functions are toxic; his presence itself is a stab to the morale of any team. The new content for this Halloween event is all fun and cheek until you actively encourage people to play a champion that goes against all of the progress you've made in your game (which is exactly what you do by releasing high tier skins such as Omega Squad and Little Devil). If you're going to put effort into making new assets, designs, and particles for a toxic champion, please instead consider forwarding those resources into a full rework for them.

I understand that there are champions that people deem get less love than others in terms of extra content; Teemo is not one of them. 10 skins, 2 events, and a legacy of hate and memes all surround this champion. He does not need more love, he needs to be fixed, or ignore/banned/converted into pure mascot status. I should not be forced to deal with toxic interactions in my games because Riot decided it would be cute to make a new skin for a toxic champion.

The skin is great, the event is great, the modes are fun. But the champion is toxic at it's core; and by pushing that champion to the forefront with new content, you make your game unplayable for the entire duration that people choose to partake of that new content. Very select players have the opportunity to enjoy new content, while 9 other players have to suffer playing with/against a Teemo (or whatever other toxic champion you decide to make new content for in that instance. Please NEVER make another Shaco Skin!)

I very much enjoy and appreciate sitting in on all of the design talks you all have. So please focus on your pursuit of good design and improving your game; not prettying up toxicity with a new bowtie of the season.

15 Comments

AttackOnTeemosOct 21, 20162 votes

I mean if you have a better champion design they do have a corner for that. People say Teemo is a bad champion, but end of a match 9/10 he is the one with the most damage in game. Full AP Teemo would scare the hell out of anyone going into a jungle late game and covers better then most people do with wards.

Devils AdviserOct 21, 20164 votes

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I mean if you have a better champion design they do have a corner for that. People say Teemo is a bad champion, but end of a match 9/10 he is the one with the most damage in game. Full AP Teemo would scare the hell out of anyone going into a jungle late game and covers better then most people do with wards.

it's not so much a matter of him being good or bad, but rather the fact that regardless of how well he does, the design is a toxic interaction in all instances.

AttackOnTeemosOct 21, 20161 votes

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it's not so much a matter of him being good or bad, but rather the fact that regardless of how well he does, the design is a toxic interaction in all instances.

Well how would you feel is they made a AD version of Teemo? Instead of shrooms we got real land Mines that explode and do Over time AD damage? Instead of a blind dart we got an acid dart that just removes your armor for X amount of seconds. W instead of movement buff you got a attack speed buff?

WhitelightingsOct 21, 20161 votes

His current AP design is fine if it was tweaked a few ways. He just needs something that makes him less "do good or the whole team suffers" and more "stealthy poison assassin yordle".

WhitelightingsOct 21, 20162 votes

I believe the best way for Riot to respond is to make Teemo less of a risk/reward character. He does in fact require skill to play. He is not an easy champ and is very very fragile. Yet Riot almost treats him like a mascot in a way. They know people love him just because he is cute, yet they still make him one of the highest risk/reward champions there are. Now I wont lie, he is a very decent champion when he is up there. Full AP shrooms are the scariest things in League, but if a Teemo falls off, he offers almost nothing to the team.

Suggestions I'd make is give him more range for safety, less damage on his passive poison. I'd even say a fun change would be a first-aid kit -like ability. His speed running ability is such a useless utility skill. I'd say keep the bonus movement when it isn't used, but give him a self-only first aid kit to keep his idea of a scout/ranger/stealth champ. Shrooms are cool, I'd keep them. Blind is even valid to keep. If Teemo is going to be such a fragile and risky champion, give him SOMETHING to sustain him.

With the League of Assassins on the way, I'd say such a heavily promoted champion is going to be an EZ GG for anyone playing against him. I don't like that he is viewed that way, and it is a very common opinion amongst the League community.

JayHog1992Oct 21, 20162 votes

Yeah, if you're going to do Teemo skins, at least do something actually good than depressive squad, heretic demon Teemo and half of them being reskins.

Seriously, I've seen like 12 ideas for Teemo skins way better than the half of the skins released.

WhitelightingsOct 21, 20161 votes

The idea is not to make "better skins". It is to make Teemo more viable and less risky.

JayHog1992Oct 21, 20161 votes

Honestly, I just want Teemo to be decent enough in higher elo without COMPLETELY going out of his usual build for that.

He's meant to build AP, but people go for stuff like Frozen Maller and Runnan's because AP doesn't work against smart enemies carrying oracles.

Liquid SlothOct 21, 20162 votes

I want baker teemo! then galaxy teemo! then more teemmo!!!!!

Dancing FoxxOct 21, 20161 votes

Teemo is my #2 Champ - love him how he is personally. Like many said, Teemo is super squish and if he's shut down like all champs he brings almost nothing to the table. Also Pink Wards, Tower Vision, and a couple sweepers removes a lot of his threat. I don't see the issue.

WhitelightingsOct 21, 20161 votes

The fact he is too easy to shut down. The issue is not his up-game, but his down-game. In a team game, the game should not be over just because one person picked a champion that is completely useless when not played correctly. It creates a community that throws fire and hatred at anyone who picks that risky character.

Devils AdviserOct 21, 20161 votes

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Teemo is my #2 Champ - love him how he is personally. Like many said, Teemo is super squish and if he's shut down like all champs he brings almost nothing to the table. Also Pink Wards, Tower Vision, and a couple sweepers removes a lot of his threat. I don't see the issue.

Again, it's not a matter of his strength or his viability, but rather the way in which he interacts with other players being inherently toxic.

Example: Jhin has set the precedent that if traps are invisible, they should also be avoidable when proc'd. teemo's not only are unavoidable after proc, they deal immense damage, outright killing someone if teemo is ahead.

Teemo's entire kit design is based around the interaction that Teemo is not interacting with others. He will either kill them with traps, or blind them and poison them to death before they can do anything. Or if those interactions fail, then teemo simply loses. There is none of Riots beloved counterplay to Teemo himself because there is no inherent 'play' to him. You either deleted him or his traps before interacting with him, or you get deleted yourself.

WhitelightingsOct 21, 20162 votes

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Teemo's entire kit design is based around the interaction that Teemo is not interacting with others. He will either kill them with traps, or blind them and poison them to death before they can do anything. Or if those interactions fail, then teemo simply loses. There is none of Riots beloved counterplay to Teemo himself because there is no inherent 'play' to him. You either deleted him or his traps before interacting with him, or you get deleted yourself.

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Devils AdviserOct 21, 20161 votes

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like I said; you're interacting with his traps only, not him.

SwiftKitten88Oct 21, 20161 votes

they don't need to.. they finally made the only skin that matters for him...

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